The defense is missing an emotional leader

[Sharky7337]

It was one game. But I think we are seeing the void left by the departures of Kyle and Lorenzo. 

 

Edmunds does not seem to be a leader of men type and is young. Milano has fire but im not sure he fits the bill either.

 

I'm not saying there is no leadership at all - just maybe less of it.

 

We are missing some playmakers up front and we don't seem to have that veteran guy pumping them up.

 

They may turn out to be awesome and that opponent has a great offense. But I think next year the defense will be re-upped to a certain degree. Really I think we need to address our lines here or there and a linebacker/ tight end. 

 

Seeing KC who got better on defense and has a dynamic offense makes this a tough sledding this year. 

 

Not to mention New England 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[Rigotz]

I love how now that we’ve won some games everyone is shocked that we don’t have all-pro’s at every position and aren’t the greatest team in the NFL.

 

Trust. The. Process.

 

This is not a one season team. We don’t need to sign a bunch of expensive vets who don’t want to be in Buffalo. Draft and re-sign our guys.

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I love how now that we’ve won some games everyone is shocked that we don’t have all-pro’s at every position and aren’t the greatest team in the NFL.

 

Trust. The. Process.

 

This is not a one season team. We don’t need to sign a bunch of expensive vets who don’t want to be in Buffalo. Draft and re-sign our guys.

That isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is i do not think we will see the same defensive strength we saw last year out of this team.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[hondo in seattle]

22 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

It was one game. But I think we are seeing the void left by the departures of Kyle and Lorenzo. 

 

Edmunds does not seem to be a leader of men type and is young. Milano has fire but im not sure he fits the bill either.

 

We are missing some playmakers up front and we don't seem to have that veteran guy pumping them up.

 

They may turn out to be awesome and that opponent has a great offense. But I think next year the defense will be re-upped to a certain degree. Really I think we need to address our lines here or there and a linebacker/ tight end. 

 

Seeing KC who got better on defense and has a dynamic offense makes this a tough sledding this year. 

 

Not to mention New England 

 

As a fan, I have little idea what goes on in the video/meeting rooms, on the sideline, on the playing field, or in the locker room.  

 

You may be right about a lack of leadership.  But we can only speculate.  

[ILBillsfan]

first half they did a good job on gap responsibility thought they started playing a bit too aggressive in the third and stopped play 1/11th at some key spots.  Gap integrity got the best of them and it was shocking to see so many plays with players out of position

 

It's still early in the season plenty of time for the Defense to amend itself.

[Thurman#1]

Don't think so. Edmunds is the leader. He's not the fire and brimstone leader that fans love, but he's a young and emerging leader, as is Tre.

 

No way to know from the outside but that is what the team is saying, and there's no reason to doubt them. We also don't know how the new guys are fitting in, guys like Addison, Norman and Butler.

 

Milano and Edmunds are the two guys on this defense - outside Tre - who are most needed at 100%, though Oliver is headed in that direction. And they aren't at 100%, nor is Oliver. And as people said above, they were terrific till one of the better offensive schemers in the league got well into the third quarter. Way way too early to worry yet, and no reason to suppose leadership is the problem even if there indeed is a problem.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I think Kiko is looking for work.

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

It was one game. But I think we are seeing the void left by the departures of Kyle and Lorenzo. 

 

Edmunds does not seem to be a leader of men type and is young. Milano has fire but im not sure he fits the bill either.

 

We are missing some playmakers up front and we don't seem to have that veteran guy pumping them up.

 

They may turn out to be awesome and that opponent has a great offense. But I think next year the defense will be re-upped to a certain degree. Really I think we need to address our lines here or there and a linebacker/ tight end. 

 

Seeing KC who got better on defense and has a dynamic offense makes this a tough sledding this year. 

 

Not to mention New England 

Jerry is now that guy.  

 

I’m not quite sure that’s why they aren’t playing well

[JoPoy88]

46 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

It was one game. But I think we are seeing the void left by the departures of Kyle and Lorenzo. 

 

Edmunds does not seem to be a leader of men type and is young. Milano has fire but im not sure he fits the bill either.

 

We are missing some playmakers up front and we don't seem to have that veteran guy pumping them up.

 

They may turn out to be awesome and that opponent has a great offense. But I think next year the defense will be re-upped to a certain degree. Really I think we need to address our lines here or there and a linebacker/ tight end. 

 

Seeing KC who got better on defense and has a dynamic offense makes this a tough sledding this year. 

 

Not to mention New England 

Luckily for the team, you have absolutely no idea about the internal locker room dynamic or on-field leadership responsibilities so what you are engaging in is pure, baseless speculation and completely useless.

[Sharky7337]

6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Luckily for the team, you have absolutely no idea about the internal locker room dynamic or on-field leadership responsibilities so what you are engaging in is pure, baseless speculation and completely useless.

Its not hard to get a feeling for someone's personality from pressers and interviews and seeing them caught out of position in games. You cannot lead unless you also.do so by example.

 

It is an opinion of course. Thats what most forum posts are.

 

Go listen to the post game interview with Edmunds. You're telling me he sounds like a leader?

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[LB48]

Just now, Sharky7337 said:

Its not hard to get a feeling for someone's personality from pressers and interviews and seeing them caught out of position.

 

It is an opinion of course. Thats what most forum posts are.

Agreed.  Edmunds is NOT a leader and he's calling the Defensive plays for a lot of veterans. 

[Joe Ferguson]

They need to bring back Pat Dimarco. 

[Sharky7337]

7 minutes ago, LB48 said:

Agreed.  Edmunds is NOT a leader and he's calling the Defensive plays for a lot of veterans. 

Defensive coordinator calls plays. So he plays telephone.

 

He helps make adjustments but so does secondary amongst each other.

 

Its my take and I expect thay not everyone agrees. But forums are to discuss so that's usually why people post. 

 

But people who joined  many years after me and wanna be snarky about it go ahead.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[LB48]

4 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Defensive coordinator calls plays. So he plays telephone.

 

He helps make adjustments but so does secondary amongst each other.

I don't think he HAS the capabilities to make adjustments.  He looked like a skinny kid trying to play MLB yesterday. 

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I think Kiko is looking for work.

 

He may have some spare jerseys he’d like to barter? 

[LABILLBACKER]

Yeah Edmunds may pan out as a good LB but there's no way he develops as an emotional /  vocal leader. That's not gonna happen. We don't have one now and hopefully that changes down the road. 

[Sharky7337]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah Edmunds may pan out as a good LB but there's no way he develops as an emotional /  vocal leader. That's not gonna happen. We don't have one now and hopefully that changes down the road. 

And I mean I do think they play for each other so there is that and its early and one game that was kinda a tough match.

 

However that is kinda what I think too.

[Dablitzkrieg]

8 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Defensive coordinator calls plays. So he plays telephone.

 

He helps make adjustments but so does secondary amongst each other.

 

Its my take and I expect thay not everyone agrees. But forums are to discuss so that's usually why people post. 

 

But people who joined  many years after me and wanna be snarky about it go ahead.

Just stop.  You have zero clue what is going on.  

[Johnny Hammersticks]

If y’all don’t think Poyer and Tre are emotional leaders on this defense, I think you need to re-examine your opinion.  

[Mr. WEO]

18 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Luckily for the team, you have absolutely no idea about the internal locker room dynamic or on-field leadership responsibilities so what you are engaging in is pure, baseless speculation and completely useless.

Or you could just watch the game.  Who’s the obvious leader on the field yesterday?

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Or you could just watch the game.  Who’s the obvious leader on the field yesterday?

Ya I watched the game. I didn't see one.

 

Or maybe he was too busy being out of place under a lineman lol

 

So your telling me that even though the players themselves mentioned lorax as the motivator that his loss has left no void. 

 

Ok.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, Sharky7337 said:

Ya I watched the game. I didn't see one.

You must have had a mic on the field, listening to what the players were saying to each other.  How did you get such inside access to the inner workings at OBD?

[Sharky7337]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

You must have had a mic on the field, listening to what the players were saying to each other.  How did you get such inside access to the inner workings at OBD?

Not hard to hear everyone in the game these days with no crowd there champ.

[hondo in seattle]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Or you could just watch the game.  Who’s the obvious leader on the field yesterday?

 

How can we know that?  Even with Covid-empty stadiums, we can't hear what players are saying to each other on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room.  

 

My sense of player leadership always comes from what the players themselves are saying because they actually know what's going on.  And I just haven't heard enough about the leadership dynamic this year from the players to confidently form an opinion.  

 

I can see that the defense isn't playing as well this year so far as last year.  But I don't see players missing assignments as much as I see players getting beat.  That's a talent problem more than a leadership problem.  

[Brand J]

Bring back London Fletcher.

[Dablitzkrieg]

10 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Not hard to hear everyone in the game these days with no crowd there champ.

I'm trying to help you out bud.  You sound absolutely ridiculous

[Sharky7337]

7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm trying to help you out bud.  You sound absolutely ridiculous

Thanks!

 

You can hear every player talking in the games right now though practically. Every adjustment and audible from the QB etc.

 

I'm not sure who sounds ridiculous more here to even debate that one fact.

 

I mean even on the Monday night broadcast they said it...... how they will miss being able to hear everything .....

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[CEN-CAL17]

I really want to see Ed Oliver play DE in some packages.... 4.7 40 yard dash, 7.1 3cone.... I think he’s quick enough to set the edge, bull rush, add a little more beef to the DLine...

 

Just throwing out ideas to keep offenses guessing and maybe help the run defense. 

Bring in Damon Harrison for some beef... multiple teams are looking into him as we speak.

 

front 4 Heavy package....( I mean how fast is Murphy? Probably slower than Oliver theses days.)

 

Ed.... VButler....Snacks.... Hughes

[Sharky7337]

5 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I really want to see Ed Oliver play DE in some packages.... 4.7 40 yard dash, 7.1 3cone.... I think he’s quick enough to set the edge, bull rush, add a little more beef to the DLine...

 

Just throwing out ideas to keep offenses guessing and maybe help the run defense. 

I did like what the ravens attempted to do with simulated pressures and the way they mixed up the rushers.

 

I'm not sure that works for us - but may be something along those lines.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[LB48]

4 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I really want to see Ed Oliver play DE in some packages.... 4.7 40 yard dash, 7.1 3cone.... I think he’s quick enough to set the edge, bull rush, add a little more beef to the DLine...

 

Just throwing out ideas to keep offenses guessing and maybe help the run defense. 

Nice idea.  Hughes seems to have lost a step at DE

[Sharky7337]

1 minute ago, LB48 said:

Nice idea.  Hughes seems to have lost a step at DE

Ya and it seems like he has been mugged a lot too with no calls which seems to be not an uncommon thing for him to not get flags for.

 

It really is amazing what we got out of Hughes these years after he was basically considered bust territory by the colts.

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sharky7337

[LB48]

3 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Ya and it seems like he has been mugged a lot to with no calls which seems to be not an uncommon thing for him to not get flags for.

 

He pissed off the officials several years ago about being held and now he can't get a call even with  obvious holding.

Edited September 29, 2020 by LB48

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I usually hate the idea of having an older vet around to steal playing time from a younger athlete. But veteran leadership might go a long way in helping this defense right now. Especially at LB. The defense visibly lacks intensity.

[CEN-CAL17]

5 minutes ago, LB48 said:

Nice idea.  Hughes seems to have lost a step at DE

I just think if occasionally you put him out there.... it get the OT thinking “shoot, what’s this guy about”... then Ed surprises him cause he’s quicker than he looks. But obviously get him in there on 1 downs or whatever analytics say it’s more possible to run... tendencies. 
 

I mean, watch his pro day, college highlights. The guy is quick in space. Is he an edge rusher? No but could he collapse a pocket or bull rush a OT? I think so.... you could even slant him inside off the edge and bring a blitz to set the edge.... 

[LB48]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I usually hate the idea of having an older vet around to steal playing time from a younger athlete. But veteran leadership might go a long way in helping this defense right now. Especially at LB. The defense visibly lacks intensity.

So true.  All the F/A pick-ups along the DL and at LB were never even Pro-Bowl 'second tier' selections and have shown no leadership.

[JoPoy88]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Or you could just watch the game.  Who’s the obvious leader on the field yesterday?

I think the role is shared by hyde, edmunds and hughes. I would’t know how to determine how obvious it is watching from afar on TV.

[buffaloboyinATL]

Jerry Hughes says hi...

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

I love how now that we’ve won some games everyone is shocked that we don’t have all-pro’s at every position and aren’t the greatest team in the NFL.

 

Trust. The. Process.

 

This is not a one season team. We don’t need to sign a bunch of expensive vets who don’t want to be in Buffalo. Draft and re-sign our guys.

Win now or you may not get another chance

[JaBu]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Thanks!

 

You can hear every player talking in the games right now though practically. Every adjustment and audible from the QB etc.

 

I'm not sure who sounds ridiculous more here to even debate that one fact.

 

I mean even on the Monday night broadcast they said it...... how they will miss being able to hear everything .....

 

The announcers don’t hear the network TV pumped in fake crowd noise that we do. They  just hear the allowed stadium noise. The TV fake noise is irritating and so loud sometimes I can’t hardly hear the announcers. Even my wife mentioned that. So I don’t know how you are able to hear what the defensive players are saying. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

I think the role is shared by hyde, edmunds and hughes. I would’t know how to determine how obvious it is watching from afar on TV.

 

From things McDermott has said, the Captain vote, and his demeanor, Dr. Poyer appears to be stepping up into that leadership role.

 

But whoever it is, according to Coach Frazier the team may need to light the fires and hold each other's feet to them with the accountability.  Yeah, the offense put them in a tough spot with the phony INT and the horsecollar turnover, but the offense also put them in the sweet spot of a 28 point lead that got squandered.  That ain't good.  (According to me, I wonder if Coach Frazier might need an accountability mirror.  I don't know what's said privately of course, but his pressers come across to me as "everybody's fault but mine")

 

I think the team may be "playing itself into condition" a bit.  I'm sure they're professionals and have been meticulous in their off-season conditioning as well as during training camp, but that's just not the same intensity and duration as game time.  The Rams were doing a lot of no-huddle or hurry-up offense.  I could be way off base but I've always thought playing defense must be more tiring than offense.  The offense is setting the pace.  The defense has to react to it.