poblano Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, PUNT750 said: My metrics are players with quality resumes! 😆😆😆Lawson? who played his best in contract year, Lotulelei? who most people here already want him out Phillips? that most of his sacks were products of the pressure of the rest of the line, and people forgive him the amount of penalties he caused (and don't do the same with Hughes) The outcome of this DL is determined by team play and not for individuals goals 7 hours ago, PUNT750 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) The first game has not even been played yet. No preseason. Every one of our players is a concern until proven otherwise. OP bases his concerns completely on being a Josh fanboy, not on acutal performance. Josh has proven nothing yet. He has yet to prove he is true franchise QB. We all hope he will step up and improve, but he is a huge question mark till he actually proves himself in a game this year. As is with every player, every year. You need to prove yourself every year and not live on what you once did in the past. You either get better, stay the same, or do worse. Let us hope that everyone proves themselves this year when the games are finally actually played. Edited September 10, 2020 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) The OL remains a far bigger concern than Josh and certainly the DL. The OL was a mediocrity last year - they just looked good to us because they weren't the dumpster fire that was the 2018 OL. We've got to hope Ford improves, and Nsehke and Williams can stay healthy, if they are going to do anything better than be average. Star was a likely CUT before he opted out. He did not hold his ground nearly as well as you hope for for an expensive NT. Jordan Phillips was the single biggest point of failure in the run defense. Numerous instances of him getting out of position available here and elsewhere. He also would not have made this team's roster. The two of them were being replaced: Ed Oliver, Harrison Phillips, Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler are your DTs - which one gets cut for the two they lost? At DE Shaq was good enough, but not even a starter. Addison and Epenesa will fill in just fine. Edited September 10, 2020 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If we score enough points teams won't be able to run. I don't think we'll be good vs the run but in terms of concerns it's a distant 2nd behind our ability to put up points. Josh Allen remains the biggest concern on the team until proven otherwise. Sure, imagine that he only plays as well as he did last year, *gasp* and is only able to secure a playoff spot with two weeks to spare. Too terrible to contemplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Grasping at straws to undercut the overall strength of our roster---I like that's where we're at now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Anyone ever hear of a guy named Ed? I think he owns a horse stable..🤓 Funny how he fails to mention the future All Pro. 2 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? What does 'free pass' mean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I have high hopes (and expectations!) for Josh and the offense, but to stress over our top ranked defense seems like wasting time ... Glad the actual game are starting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? Free pass ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Vernon Butler may be slightly less consistent as run defender than the underrated Start Lotulelei. Oliver should be even better as an all around under tackle in his "sophomore "season. He's good against the run and disruptive in the passing game. Quinton Jefferson and Horrible Harry are better than the guys they are replacing. As has been stated, Jordan Phillips, though disruptive in passing defense, was undisciplined and a liability in run defense. Barring the injury bug, the interior of the defensive line should be fine, and the practice squad has a couple serviceable guys to boot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? Allen has proven a lot, but he does need to continue to get better. I don't see anyone giving him a free pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'm worried about giant meteors slamming into the team during a game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, nucci said: Harrison Phillips and Ed Oliver play there as well Was going through trying to find any mention of Phillips. The injury last year made a lot of people forget he was even on this team 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I'm worried about giant meteors slamming into the team during a game. always a concern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? He's proven he can improve as evidenced by looking at his play from 2018 and comparing it to 2019. It's not a free pass. I think everyone is encouraged by the reports coming out of camp and the feeling that he is going to make a similar leap from year two to three as he did from one to two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I share your concern for our run defense, but Allen has proven nothing yet. Why does everyone give him a free pass? Given the volume of threads & posters over the past 2 seasons who question his franchise qb long term viability, I’m not sure how saying “everyone” gives him a free pass, as a blanket statement, is even remotely supportable. Edited September 10, 2020 by NoHuddleKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 If the Bills have an Achilles Heal this year, if most likely will be stopping the run. I'm hoping the McDemott and Fraiser can implement schemes that can make up for a lack of run stopping abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Lots of veteran talent brought in. Losing Star will be bigger issue than this board wants to give credit. He absorbed a ton of blockers last year. H. Phillips was terrible his rookie year but looked a bit better before the ACL. Still its asking a lot from him to play a bunch early on. Oliver is the key here. I didn't like the draft pick but most on this board loved it. He didn't show much last year but there were flashes of him playing well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think the Bills wanted to sneak Vincent Taylor on the practice squad as a big run stuffer. Cleveland signed him to their 53. That's when they signed Zimmer to the PS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Vernon Butler was a first round prospect coming out with great run stuffing ability. He either suffered a scheme, effort or technique problem. But seems to have been much better last season. I think they’ll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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