whatdrought Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: One thing that puzzles me is why the "deadline" to decide is now. I would expect if someone next week comes to the conclusion they need to opt out, they'll do it and ***** the NFLs deadline. And be fined accordingly. At that point it’s merely a holdout and unexcused absence. The opt out window is agreed upon by the NFL and the Players Union to give the players enough time to make their decision while also not leaving it open ended to ruin any chance a team has to focus on the season/plan accordingly. There isn’t going to be any new revelation or development about this virus that would affect the individual and not the league as a whole. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: You have to trust that all 32 teams are taking this seriously, and that the guy you're lining up across from has been in a facility that is safeguarded, led by an organization that is on top of this and has tested negative prior to the game. Hope isnt a good plan. Heck three days ago there was a HUGE party in Cali for Football players. So yeah sorry I dont pin my plan on trusting others to do the right thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: One thing that puzzles me is why the "deadline" to decide is now. I would expect if someone next week comes to the conclusion they need to opt out, they'll do it and ***** the NFLs deadline. I wonder if they have language in the new CBA where if that happens your contract slides? And I’m certain you wouldn’t get the 150k advance, not like that matters for big time players though. Edited August 6, 2020 by PetermansRedemption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So if your Family loses someone to COVID that isnt going to affect your choice. Because Tre did. Hell even Singletary knows, she stated I am not in a position to opt out. Meaning I dont have enough money in the bank to support the family a year before getting a paycheck again. Fans attacking him are making the situation worse. Bunch of bone heads. There's nothing to gain by making our star CB angry... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: And be fined accordingly. At that point it’s merely a holdout and unexcused absence. The opt out window is agreed upon by the NFL and the Players Union to give the players enough time to make their decision while also not leaving it open ended to ruin any chance a team has to focus on the season/plan accordingly. There isn’t going to be any new revelation or development about this virus that would affect the individual and not the league as a whole. That’s kind of the case but not entirely. There are 2 exceptions: A new diagnosis reveals that the player has a high-risk condition. A player's family member dies, is hospitalized or is otherwise moved to a medical facility because of a COVID-19 or related condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Fans attacking him are making the situation worse. Bunch of bone heads. There's nothing to gain by making our star CB angry... Social media is the scum of the earth. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: Fans attacking him are making the situation worse. Bunch of bone heads. There's nothing to gain by making our star CB angry... One thing I never understood is why these guys have social media at all? Then they engage fans in addition to that? I just don’t see a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: One thing that puzzles me is why the "deadline" to decide is now. I would expect if someone next week comes to the conclusion they need to opt out, they'll do it and ***** the NFLs deadline. I always figured that those who choose to after the deadline would come down with an injury. Or they decide to have surgery on an old nagging injury that hasn't healed properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: One thing I never understood is why these guys have social media at all? Then they engage fans in addition to that? I just don’t see a point. To build your brand and maximize your money? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: point is we shouldn’t care either way. All this public posturing by players on social media (“I’ll let y’all know my decision soon”, etc) is just that. It’s tone deaf. If you opt out, fine—do what’s best for you, the game will go on without you. If you play—that’s great too. Just choose and be done with it as most every other player has done so far. Hand in the paper. Fans have real problems/struggles/issues during the pandemic. They are dying for football to distract them. This player drama is just that. It’s privilege that almost none of them can relate to so why keep putting it out there? who cares? Get on with it. lol I can’t think of an employer who is just waiting for someone to bring that up! Honest questing regarding the top of this. Did Tre voluntarily announce he was contemplating opting out, or did he get asked and then responded? The only thing about it on his twitter is him responding to negative comments from fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: I always figured that those who choose to after the deadline would come down with an injury. Or they decide to have surgery on an old nagging injury that hasn't healed properly That’s an interesting thought and one that hadn’t crossed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: Fans attacking him are making the situation worse. Bunch of bone heads. There's nothing to gain by making our star CB angry... Nothing you can do about all the idiots out there. I'd be more concerned if our star CB could actually be angered by morons on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: To build your brand and maximize your money? Social media effects their contract as much as on field play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: Social media effects their contract as much as on field play? Contracts no, marketing dollars, without question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s kind of the case but not entirely. There are 2 exceptions: A new diagnosis reveals that the player has a high-risk condition. A player's family member dies, is hospitalized or is otherwise moved to a medical facility because of a COVID-19 or related condition. Right, but that’s not voluntary opt outs, and it’s included in the current opt out process. Essentially after today players can’t just decide its too risky now and leave. Doing so would be fine worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Contracts no, marketing dollars, without question Hmm... I better start building my brand. I don’t think my NFL career is going to work out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said: Hmm... I better start building my brand. I don’t think my NFL career is going to work out ? You already have a brand Nate. You are the worst NFL QB ever. Put that on a tshirt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: Hmm... I better start building my brand. I don’t think my NFL career is going to work out ? As an example Cristiano Ronaldo has the most Instagram followers in the world and by a very significant margin (Ariana Grande is 2). These guys are also starting podcasts and pushing products. It’s easy money. Now, should they maybe mute the comments? I think at times it would be best but I get why they don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mango said: Honest questing regarding the top of this. Did Tre voluntarily announce he was contemplating opting out, or did he get asked and then responded? The only thing about it on his twitter is him responding to negative comments from fans. He was asked and responded. It was actually the same question they have all been asked: “why did you decide to opt in”... it was the very first question. Sal said he expected the same canned answer he got from everyone “I love football etc”.. Instead he said “I haven’t decided yet” Edited August 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: And be fined accordingly. At that point it’s merely a holdout and unexcused absence. The opt out window is agreed upon by the NFL and the Players Union to give the players enough time to make their decision while also not leaving it open ended to ruin any chance a team has to focus on the season/plan accordingly. There isn’t going to be any new revelation or development about this virus that would affect the individual and not the league as a whole. 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Right, but that’s not voluntary opt outs, and it’s included in the current opt out process. Essentially after today players can’t just decide its too risky now and leave. Doing so would be fine worthy. This is where we disagree which is why I went to the exclusions. There may be revelations that only impact a player and if so he will be allowed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: As an example Cristiano Ronaldo has the most Instagram followers in the world and by a very significant margin (Ariana Grande is 2). These guys are also starting podcasts and pushing products. It’s easy money. Now, should they maybe mute the comments? I think at times it would be best but I get why they don’t. Cristiano is also one of the top 5 or 6 players of all time, he would get endorsements anyway. David Beckham is the ultimate example. I know he was before social media but he built a brand that made him arguably the most famous player in the world and yet at no point was he even England's best player. Hell, he was at best the 3rd best player in United's famed class of '92. Edited August 6, 2020 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is where we disagree which is why I went to the exclusions. There may be revelations that only impact a player and if so he will be allowed out. I get it. I meant more so for those who aren’t personally impacted by a development, but because something happened with the virus at large, they want to opt out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Cristiano is also one of the top 5 or 6 players of all time, he would get endorsements anyway. David Beckham is the ultimate example. I know he was before social media but he built a brand that made him arguably the most famous player in the world and yet at no point was he even England's best player. Hell, he was at best the 3rd best player in United's famed class of '92. The point being, the bigger you are the more that you make. The Kardashian/Jenner clan are the best example. They’ve pretty much done nothing but got rich. It’s not even about how dominant you are, it’s about how visible you are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He was asked and responded. It was actually the same question they have all been asked: “why did you decide to opt in”... it was the very first question. Sal said he expected the same canned answer he got from everyone “I love football etc”.. Instead he said “I haven’t decided yet” If the Bills knew he was going to say that why put him up? That is what is nagging at me. I have to believe they didn't know. Edited August 6, 2020 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I get it. I meant more so for those who aren’t personally impacted by a development, but because something happened with the virus at large, they want to opt out. Fair enough Just now, GunnerBill said: If the Bills new he was going to say that why put him up? That is what is nagging at me. I have to believe they didn't know. Agree with this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: The point being, the bigger you are the more that you make. The Kardashian/Jenner clan are the best example. They’ve pretty much done nothing but got rich. It’s not even about how dominant you are, it’s about how visible you are. I get that put Cristiano IS dominant. He has done something to get rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: If the Bills new he was going to say that why put him up? That is what is nagging at me. I have to believe they didn't know. I don’t think they knew. Beane was actually asked the other day if he anticipated any more opt outs and he said no one had come to him ... obviously he wouldn’t have said anything about Tre specifically but I think he would have answered the question a bit differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I get that put Cristiano IS dominant. He has done something to get rich. Sure, but his visibility makes him a lot richer than his dominance. Think Connor McGregor, he’s a great fighter but infinitely more famous than better fighters. The same with Beckham. There are certain people that have mastered “their brand” and that’s where the dollars come from. That’s why athletes are on social media and always will be. They have an audience and a platform to communicate with that audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So if your Family loses someone to COVID that isnt going to affect your choice. Because Tre did. Hell even Singletary knows, she stated I am not in a position to opt out. Meaning I dont have enough money in the bank to support the family a year before getting a paycheck again. “Fans”. ? Embarrassing. People need to stop projecting their beliefs on others. Part of personal freedom is be able to make personal decisions, particularly ones like this, without social judgement. its stupid that people think have a right to have an opinion on someone else’s choice on This topic. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure, but his visibility makes him a lot richer than his dominance. Think Connor McGregor, he’s a great fighter but infinitely more famous than better fighters. The same with Beckham. There are certain people that have mastered “their brand” and that’s where the dollars come from. That’s why athletes are on social media and always will be. They have an audience and a platform to communicate with that audience. McGregor is a real marketing machine. He has fans who pay to watch him fight and haters who pay hoping they'll see him get the crap beaten out of him. Genius! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: “Fans”. ? Embarrassing. People need to stop projecting their beliefs on others. Part of personal freedom is be able to make personal decisions, particularly ones like this, without social judgement. its stupid that people think have a right to have an opinion on someone else’s choice on This topic. It’s similar to when a college player decides to declare early for the draft. Some “fans” feel they have the right to tweet their opinions to these kids about how they are selfish, etc. It’s the lowest of the low but every fan base has its 2%. These same fans would be tweeting at him even if he did play bitching at him if he gave up a TD. Fans tweet death threats at college kids when they drop a pass. It’s disgusting. Edited August 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sure, but his visibility makes him a lot richer than his dominance. Think Connor McGregor, he’s a great fighter but infinitely more famous than better fighters. The same with Beckham. There are certain people that have mastered “their brand” and that’s where the dollars come from. That’s why athletes are on social media and always will be. They have an audience and a platform to communicate with that audience. I completely agree with your point. I just don't think Cristiano is the best example. Cristiano is so visible because he played for three of the biggest 5 football clubs in the world - including the prime of his career at THE biggest football club in the world. And he has been the star man at each. And that is because he is one of the most talented half a dozen footballers that ever lived. There are other handsome, ripped, soccer players who do a lot of social media but are less visible than Cristiano. They are also less good. 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s similar to when a college player decides to declare early for the draft. Some “fans” feel they have the right to tweet their opinions to these kids about how they are selfish, etc. It’s the lowest of the low but every fan base has its 2%. These same fans would be tweeting at him even if he did play bitching at him if he gave up a TD. Fans tweet death threats at college kids when they drop a pass. It’s disgusting. There have always been idiots. Twitter has given every idiot a voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 I can’t blame any player for opting out. This sucks all the way around. 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I completely agree with your point. I just don't think Cristiano is the best example. Cristiano is so visible because he played for three of the biggest 5 football clubs in the world - including the prime of his career at THE biggest football club in the world. And he has been the star man at each. And that is because he is one of the most talented half a dozen footballers that ever lived. There are other handsome, ripped, soccer players who do a lot of social media but are less visible than Cristiano. They are also less good. There have always been idiots. Twitter has given every idiot a voice. Twitter gives a voice to people who shouldn’t have a voice. Sometimes I love it because it breaks news and some funny threads. But then you read some stuff and you hate the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 He’s out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Social media is populated by many very terrible people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: As an example Cristiano Ronaldo has the most Instagram followers in the world and by a very significant margin (Ariana Grande is 2). These guys are also starting podcasts and pushing products. It’s easy money. Now, should they maybe mute the comments? I think at times it would be best but I get why they don’t. Crap......now I need to put another marble on the losing faith in humanity side of the scale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I can’t blame any player for opting out. This sucks all the way around. Twitter gives a voice to people who shouldn’t have a voice. Sometimes I love it because it breaks news and some funny threads. But then you read some stuff and you hate the world. I deleted my twitter for just this reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I deleted my twitter for just this reason. The best (worst) is how a tweet about a dog bringing a beer from a fridge turns into a political debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s similar to when a college player decides to declare early for the draft. Some “fans” feel they have the right to tweet their opinions to these kids about how they are selfish, etc. It’s the lowest of the low but every fan base has its 2%. These same fans would be tweeting at him even if he did play bitching at him if he gave up a TD. Fans tweet death threats at college kids when they drop a pass. It’s disgusting. Seriously, these idiots need to stay off twitter and keep working y'all little jobs for the rest of y'all lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: He’s out ? Don't post this stuff without a source or a caveat that it's your opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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