DJB Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Edited August 4, 2020 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Not surprised. In a different year, they'd carry him through camp and trade for a 6th rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 But why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I am shocked. They must feel really good about Ryan Bates. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: Not surprised. In a different year, they'd carry him through camp and trade for a 6th rounder. My thoughts too. I think they would have tried to flip him, but given they need the roster spot, they were forced to make the move now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Clemfield2622 said: My thoughts too. I think they would have tried to flip him, but given they need the roster spot, they were forced to make the move now. Long is a valuable piece though. There are guys much further down the roster that could have been cut instead of Long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DJB said: My thought is he had to of come into camp way out of shape which could easily happen in this offseason and that was unacceptable. What else would have changed? He was solid in spot duty last year carved out the same role. Could have held on to see if he could have started or maintained his role this season. AND I believe was in the last year of his contract, interesting timing which makes me think out of shape and a message sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Long, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. Edited August 4, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Didn’t see this one coming.? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Ling, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. My guess is several factors played into the move, and probably for the same reasons Winters got released and not traded. He costs more than other guys, and nobody is interested in trading for a guy with that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I guess Bills decided they could only keep one JEST castoff lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 i assume this is a set up to sign someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I doubt this was done without a valid reason(s). Chief among them is they have a glut of OGs (Spain, Winters, Ford, Boehm, Bates, Boetteger and even Williams). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Seems unnecessary. Surely there was a better candidate to be let go. Maybe he came in out of shape. Or maybe he told them he was going to opt out. Who knows. Until they give me a season to doubt them, I will continue to trust McBeane. Edited August 4, 2020 by Process 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, teef said: i assume this is a set up to sign someone else? Uh, Winters me thinks. Can only have 80 in the building. 7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Long is a valuable piece though. There are guys much further down the roster that could have been cut instead of Long. I agree. But maybe they're giving Winters the money they save by cutting Long and feel Bates or someone else can do the same job for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Clemfield2622 said: Uh, Winters me thinks. Can only have 80 in the building. ohhh. i figured a spot was already open to bring in winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: I doubt this was done without a valid reason(s). Chief among them is they have a glut of OGs (Spain, Winters, Ford, Boehm, Bates, Boetteger and even Williams). Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Maybe a sign they do not intend to IR Feliciano with the new 55 roster limit rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Nice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 A bit weird at this point as Morse doesn't have a BU with Feliciano hurt and Long Cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 He had a fairly high contract for a backup is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Maybe a sign they do not intend to IR Feliciano with the new 55 roster limit rule. That’s my guess as well. Head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 Surprised that Long was the cut and the olineman that Beane decided to part with. Regardless Beane has earned enough trust that I don't question his decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: A bit weird at this point as Morse doesn't have a BU with Feliciano hurt and Long Cut. I believe Ryan Bates took snaps at C last year and was surprisingly competent. I think he's taking over Long's role. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Clemfield2622 said: I believe Ryan Bates took snaps at C last year and was surprisingly competent. I think he's taking over Long's role. Ok that makes sense, get younger and cheaper in the depth position (specially if play didnt fall off) I personally dont remember that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said: I believe Ryan Bates took snaps at C last year and was surprisingly competent. I think he's taking over Long's role. I believe Evan Boehm can play C as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Ling, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. 80 man roster, and they brought in winters who has potential to be a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: 80 man roster, and they brought in winters who has potential to be a starter. But Winters doesnt kick into Center. I guess they are Happy with their plan there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Doc said: ? Ford is not a Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said: I believe Ryan Bates took snaps at C last year and was surprisingly competent. I think he's taking over Long's role. Not in the regular season he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Ford is not a Guard. Sure he is. The question is whether he's a RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This feels like a dumb decision to me. I would think that he has trade value (or one of the other OL do). The Bills have the deepest OL in football. If it wasn’t Ling, it could have been Boehm or Bates or Nsekhe or Williams. I felt like they should have tried to spin these quality depth OL into late round picks. Financially I get why Long though. I always thought that he was a bubble guy with his price tag. Just the way that this played out it seems like you might have been able to spin some of the OL into an asset. or at least wait through opt outs and a bit of camp. never a fan of pulling the plug on serviceable guys before you absolutely have to that said, likely not the end of the world here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I believe Evan Boehm can play C as well. He can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The team must have a significant amount of confidence in Ryan Bates as a back up center -- or perhaps Jon Feliciano's injury is not as bad as we were led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Could be that after they signed Winters, ostensibly to be penned-in as starting RG, Long demanded his release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: But Winters doesnt kick into Center. I guess they are Happy with their plan there Thats fair. Boehm i guess becomes primary depth at C. Williams at G. Nsekhe at T. Bates as #9 who is usually inactive on gameday. Feliciano comes back and either wins his job back, or moves Boehm off roster/bates (or whoever #9 is) to PS if they think they can hang onto him there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 He was $3.1 mil., but $2.4 if you subtract the $700 k dead cap, so not sure why they take that risk when he could play G or C. We have $22 mil. In cap space right now until Winters contract hits Spotrac. I would have cut other o lineman before him, but we’ll see. I thought he was solid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I guess I am more surprised they couldnt have got a Pick out of him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigvinny Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 We've come a long way from the Vlad Ducasse, Ryan Groy, John Miller, Jordan Mills days. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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