Mahomes Ten Year Deal with Chiefs

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

I would miss the Bills though. I’d be happier if he just slipped on a mat in TC and destroyed his throwing arm.

 

With a $140M injury guarantee, the first day of camp I'd be like "I got a boo-boo. I'm going home. Mail the check!"

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair he didn't call him the GOAT. He called him the most talented. I have always said Rodgers is the most naturally talented of my era watching the NFL but I think Mahomes may well take that crown.

Fair GB.  My apologies as if I make a mistake, I’m always happy to admit it.  I too if that is the comment think he is incredibly talented, and yes, I’m a little envious we didn’t take him at 10, vs. trading back for T. White.  A man can dream.  What would have happened if we took him vs. Taylor that first playoff year.

 

Its been talked about for a few years and I love so far what I’ve seen from Allen, but can anyone honestly say they wouldn’t have rather had Mahomes and draft from there.  Thankfully, we at least have IMO, the best cornerback in football.  I guess the upside is if we exercise the 5th year option, three years of Allen on a rookie deal securing other guys like White, Dawkins, Milano, and I’m sure I’m missing others over the next couple of years.

[teef]

Think of all the scratch off tickets.

[FireChans]

55 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I didnt imagine that, never said or intimated that. 

 

And yes a half a billion contract can easily effect a franchise with a value of $2.1 billion, if you can't "imagine" that,  it is your problem.

What do the Chiefs make in income over 10 years?

[Paup 1995MVP]

14 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Fair GB.  My apologies as if I make a mistake, I’m always happy to admit it.  I too if that is the comment think he is incredibly talented, and yes, I’m a little envious we didn’t take him at 10, vs. trading back for T. White.  A man can dream.  What would have happened if we took him vs. Taylor that first playoff year.

 

Its been talked about for a few years and I love so far what I’ve seen from Allen, but can anyone honestly say they wouldn’t have rather had Mahomes and draft from there.  Thankfully, we at least have IMO, the best cornerback in football.  I guess the upside is if we exercise the 5th year option, three years of Allen on a rookie deal securing other guys like White, Dawkins, Milano, and I’m sure I’m missing others over the next couple of years.

Mahomes would not have been as good with us, because of the lack of talent there would have been around him.  Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin?  Ugh!  Better last year with Brown and Beasley.  This has the makings of a hell of a year for Josh Allen w the talent we have accumulated around him.  No reason he should not be a top 10-12 QB this year.  And top 5-7 QB going forward after that.  If that happens, I don't think we will miss Mahomes too much.  Although he sure can play and is super fun to watch.  

[GreggTX]

Makes me want to cry. We could have had him and we let him slip through our fingers. We'd be winning a lot of SB's with Mahomes at QB.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I do but we disagree on who is mad. If you said “Dallas is pissed ?“ I wouldn’t have commented. I interpreted the smiley face as laughing AT the pissed off party. It wasn’t just you either. Others had the same reaction. 
 

The point remains that giant contracts, at the same position, are great for impending free agents. They celebrate them because it means they will be getting more. That’s true in all cases. 

And I did not disagree I merely insinuated that Daks team hasn’t given him what he wants, unlike Pats team, I thought folk would pick up on that. Oh well I guess, 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

And yes a half a billion contract can easily effect a franchise with a value of $2.1 billion, if you can't "imagine" that,  it is your problem

There is literally a salary cap.  His contract doesn’t impact their payroll because total salary cost is a fixed amount.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

And I did not disagree I merely insinuated that Daks team hasn’t given him what he wants, unlike Pats team, I thought folk would pick up on that. Oh well I guess, 

Yeah, they haven’t yet. He’s going to get 4 years and $160Mish next offseason. If I’m Dallas I probably try to make him play under the tag again but that’s playing with fire.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

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Dak is a good QB

Yes he is, but he is certainly not a great QB, thus far, I suspect we have seen all Dak has to offer, I think he has already peaked. His individual stats are certainly good, but he and his team under perform. Look at the talent on that team, he’s not getting it done. The truth is, team success is the actual true measure of a QBs success.

 

There are below average teams, average teams, good teams, and great teams, This Dak lead team is between average and good, as of late not so good. Jmo, 

[Nextmanup]

22 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

I’m eager to see the dollars behind the deal- could change the landscape for years to come

The idiots who run these organizations are slowly realizing that all the money should go to 3 or 4 key, dominant players, who make all the difference between winning and losing.

The rest is filler.

 

This is exactly what was predicted at the outset of free agency and salary caps.

 

It's taking a long time to get there, but that shouldn't be surprising given the IQ of the league.

 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, they haven’t yet. He’s going to get 4 years and $160Mish next offseason. If I’m Dallas I probably try to make him play under the tag again but that’s playing with fire.

Well it’s Jurras team so ya never know...

[Chandler#81]

Seeing this reminds me when a certain orange fella convinced cronies to sue the NFL for being a monopoly. He/they won -and were awarded $2.

As such, the USFL folded and we poor, suffering Bills fans suddenly had the best shot to sign the Real Machine Gun Kelly.

Sitting on the porch with my Dad, reading the Courier Express how he demanded an $8M contract, I was ecstatic screaming “Sign him! SIGN HIM!!” Typically grumpy Dad harrumphed “Nobody is worth that kinda money! Let him go to the Raiders for Draft picks!”

 

Well, we know how that turned out.

 

Granted, the $HalfB contact is staggering, but to fully see it, he has to be the starting QB of choice for KC for the next decade and meet incentives -likely win totals, playoffs, PBs etc. No organization whose team fails to make the playoffs for 3 or more straight seasons pays their QB that kind of scratch, so he’d be released. The nuts & bolts of the contract from what I’ve learned reading and listening to NFLR is that KC can get out of deal easily in 4 years. 

 

Its Great! -don’t get me wrong. But it doesn’t financially strap the team any more than any top tier QB.

[LabattBlue]

Good for Mahomes.  He is going to be the face of the NFL for a long time.  He is an exciting player and seems like a nice guy off the field. That being said, I will never cheer for the Chiefs to win a single game as long as they have that scumbag Tyreek Hill on their team. 
 

 

Just think...without the Bills participation, Mahones would probably not have ended up in KC. 

[PetermansRedemption]

21 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Seeing this reminds me when a certain orange fella convinced cronies to sue the NFL for being a monopoly. He/they won -and were awarded $2.

As such, the USFL folded and we poor, suffering Bills fans suddenly had the best shot to sign the Real Machine Gun Kelly.

Sitting on the porch with my Dad, reading the Courier Express how he demanded an $8M contract, I was ecstatic screaming “Sign him! SIGN HIM!!” Typically grumpy Dad harrumphed “Nobody is worth that kinda money! Let him go to the Raiders for Draft picks!”

 

Well, we know how that turned out.

 

Granted, the $HalfB contact is staggering, but to fully see it, he has to be the starting QB for KC for the next decade and meet incentives -likely win totals, playoffs, PBs etc. No organization whose team fails to make the playoffs for 3 or more straight seasons pays their QB that kind of scratch, so he’d be released. The nuts & bolts of the contract from what I’ve learned reading and listening to NFLR is that KC can get out of deal easily in 4 years. 

 

Its Great! -don’t get me wrong. But it doesn’t financially strap the team any more than any top tier QB.

Reminds me of the book “football for a buck” on the USFL. Highly recommended , fascinating read. I am convinced Trump is the reason the USFL failed. 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

How did Josh Allen affect how Dak Prescott played on Thanksgiving?

Pressure to perform, ego my man ego... 

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Pressure to perform, ego my man ego... 

 

I'm gonna credit our defense.

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm gonna credit our defense.

How many points did our D score last season.... crickets...  ?

 

all QBs want to win over every other QB, it’s ego and bragging rights, so there is always pressure for a QB to out perform the QB on the other team, that’s a given. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Billl]

58 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yes he is, but he is certainly not a great QB, thus far, I suspect we have seen all Dak has to offer, I think he has already peaked. His individual stats are certainly good, but he and his team under perform. Look at the talent on that team, he’s not getting it done. The truth is, team success is the actual true measure of a QBs success.

 

There are below average teams, average teams, good teams, and great teams, This Dak lead team is between average and good, as of late not so good. Jmo, 

Dallas scored 434 points.  How is their record his fault?  Just say that you hate the Cowboys, hate Dak, and hate pretty much every player without a Bison on his helmet.  Pretending that a fourth year QB who just had the best season of his career by a mile in every statistical category is the problem, has peaked, etc. is asinine.  He is miles and miles ahead of Allen at this point.  If Dak fell from where he currently is and landed where Josh is, he’d be dead on impact.  The Cowboys have plenty of problems, but a QB who threw for 4,900 yards, 30 TDs, against only 11 INTs isn’t one of them.

[Don Otreply]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

How many points did our D score last season.... crickets...  ?

 

all QBs want to win over every other QB, it’s ego and bragging rights, so there is always pressure for a QB to out perform the QB on the other team, that’s a given. 

Awe, come on now, you don’t think Dak wanted to beat Josh in the worst way on a nation wide broadcasted game? ?

[Billl]

30 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Good for Mahomes.  He is going to be the face of the NFL for a long time.  He is an exciting player and seems like a nice guy off the field. That being said, I will never cheer for the Chiefs to win a single game as long as they have that scumbag Tyreek Hill on their team. 
 

 

Just think...without the Bills participation, Mahones would probably not have ended up in KC. 

In case you care, Tyreek has 4 kids with Crystal Espinal, the woman who accused him both times.  He has full custody of all 4 of them.  He didn’t do it either time, and she basically admitted as much on the recording she made.  She lied.  He didn’t do any of it.

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Dallas scored 434 points.  How is their record his fault?  Just say that you hate the Cowboys, hate Dak, and hate pretty much every player without a Bison on his helmet.  Pretending that a fourth year QB who just had the best season of his career by a mile in every statistical category is the problem, has peaked, etc. is asinine.  He is miles and miles ahead of Allen at this point.  If Dak fell from where he currently is and landed where Josh is, he’d be dead on impact.  The Cowboys have plenty of problems, but a QB who threw for 4,900 yards, 30 TDs, against only 11 INTs isn’t one of them.

He’s the defacto team leader, team loses the team leader loses, that’s how the cookie crumbles, 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

Awe, come on now, you don’t think Dak wanted to beat Josh in the worst way on a nation wide broadcasted game? ?

Really? Quoting yourself to add fuel? 

 

Either you think too too much of yourself, or the rest of us don’t.

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

How many points did our D score last season.... crickets...  ?

 

all QBs want to win over every other QB, it’s ego and bragging rights, so there is always pressure for a QB to out perform the QB on the other team, that’s a given. 

 

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Awe, come on now, you don’t think Dak wanted to beat Josh in the worst way on a nation wide broadcasted game? ?

 

Are you arguing with yourself right now?

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Really? Quoting yourself to add fuel? 

 

Either you think too too much of yourself, or the rest of us don’t.

Big thumbs, unintentional, 

Just now, Gugny said:

 

 

Are you arguing with yourself right now?

LOL, don’t tell any one.. was hitting keys faster than my actual skill set allows for... 

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Gug’s, I was thinking the same.  Brady has 20 years of success, Manning, 18, and Mahomes is anointed after two.  I think he’s great to date, but the GOAT?  We can talk in 10+ years.

 

Dee Ford lining up Offside, kept Pat from 2 straight Super Bowl Appearances in his first 2 years as starter. 

 

He has 76 TD passes in 2 seasons.  A Super Bowl win, Super Bowl MVP, League MVP, has only scored under 25 pts, I think, once.  It goes on and on.  Mahomes is ridiculous!

 

Your eyes aren't deceiving you.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[machine gun kelly]

CB, as I said he’s been great.  He really has been great, but I gave you examples of guys who stood the time like Montana, Starr, and Captain America, Staubach.

 

Mahomes has been great for two years minus the two games in his first year.  No one argues that at all including me.  I’m hoping he can be the goat As it would be fun to watch, but I’m still hopeful on Allen.

 

God bless the Bills.

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, Billl said:

In case you care, Tyreek has 4 kids with Crystal Espinal, the woman who accused him both times.  He has full custody of all 4 of them.  He didn’t do it either time, and she basically admitted as much on the recording she made.  She lied.  He didn’t do any of it.

He plead guilty and literally said that he did it in a post-draft interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/tyreek-hill-domestic-violence-child-abuse-investigation/neqfn40200lt16ik2142ay772

”I did something wrong. I let my emotions get the best of me, and I shouldn’t have did it.”

 

He’s also on tape telling his fiancée that she needs to be afraid of him.

 

Both of these points are irrefutable facts.

 

“Didn't do any of it” is quite a huge declaration.

 

Given the Chiefs’ organization’s inclination toward acquiring domestic abusers, it’s really difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt. It’s like the Patriots****** saying “they’re just filming a documentary”...it’s possible that it’s true, but history isn’t on their side.

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He plead guilty and literally said that he did it in a post-draft interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/tyreek-hill-domestic-violence-child-abuse-investigation/neqfn40200lt16ik2142ay772

”I did something wrong. I let my emotions get the best of me, and I shouldn’t have did it.”

 

He’s also on tape telling his fiancée that she needs to be afraid of him.

 

Both of these points are irrefutable facts.

 

“Didn't do any of it” is quite a huge declaration.

 

Given the Chiefs’ organization’s inclination toward acquiring domestic abusers, it’s really difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt. It’s like the Patriots****** saying “they’re just filming a documentary”...it’s possible that it’s true, but history isn’t on their side.

That same tape you’re referencing, a minute later he says to her “you ruined my life and you lied on me in 2014”.  He tells her to deny it, and she says she’s not having that conversation.  Of course she wasn’t going to talk about it.  She was secretly recording him trying to trick him into saying something that could be twisted...and it worked right up to the point when the courts got involved and awarded him full custody of all 3 of their kids.

 

That woman is very smart and completely crazy.  She used to work at my kids’ school.  I have group texts from an officer who showed up the night of the most recent incident that were sent about an hour after the visit.  I’m all for running domestic abusers out on a rail, but Tyreek isn’t that guy.  http://kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article232467092.html  

[GoBills808]

30 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He plead guilty and literally said that he did it in a post-draft interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/tyreek-hill-domestic-violence-child-abuse-investigation/neqfn40200lt16ik2142ay772

”I did something wrong. I let my emotions get the best of me, and I shouldn’t have did it.”

 

He’s also on tape telling his fiancée that she needs to be afraid of him.

 

Both of these points are irrefutable facts.

 

“Didn't do any of it” is quite a huge declaration.

 

Given the Chiefs’ organization’s inclination toward acquiring domestic abusers, it’s really difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt. It’s like the Patriots****** saying “they’re just filming a documentary”...it’s possible that it’s true, but history isn’t on their side.

Literally everyone outside KC knows he did it...imagine how hard it is to get thrown off a Mike Gundy team

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

That same tape you’re referencing, a minute later he says to her “you ruined my life and you lied on me in 2014”.  He tells her to deny it, and she says she’s not having that conversation.  Of course she wasn’t going to talk about it.  She was secretly recording him trying to trick him into saying something that could be twisted...and it worked right up to the point when the courts got involved and awarded him full custody of all 3 of their kids.

 

That woman is very smart and completely crazy.  She used to work at my kids’ school.  I have group texts from an officer who showed up the night of the most recent incident that were sent about an hour after the visit.  I’m all for running domestic abusers out on a rail, but Tyreek isn’t that guy.  http://kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article232467092.html  

I’ve listened to the tape. She says he had his hands around her throat. When he denies it, she pointedly asks how she got the bruises, and he doesn’t answer.

 

And he very clearly tells her to be afraid of him.

 

You can say he isn’t that guy now, but c’mon, he admitted to it in a post-draft interview after pleading guilty.

 

This isn’t a person that deserves the benefit of the doubt. And the Chiefs’ organizations’ relative systemic support of DV doesn’t do much to curb the purview either.

 

I’ll leave it at that.

 

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Literally everyone outside KC knows he did it...imagine how hard it is to get thrown off a Mike Gundy team

Well, in regard to 2019 the only thing we know is that he very clearly threatened her. It’s on the tape.

 

For the college incident, there’s not much to debate: he plead guilty and admitted to “doing something wrong” and “letting his emotions” get the best of him. Innocent people tend to not do such things.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

LOL, don’t tell any one.. was hitting keys faster than my actual skill set allows for... 

 

been there, done that 

 

[Saint Doug]

8 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

The ESPN ticker right now:

 

MAHOMES WAS 2ND QB TAKEN IN 2017 NFL DRAFT

 

Chiefs traded up to no.10; Bears took Mitchell Trubisky no. 2

If you’re trying to say it’s actually the Bears that should be pissed, sorry I don’t buy it. I’M STILL PISSED!

[Zerovoltz]

On 7/6/2020 at 4:46 PM, Rc2catch said:

Nothing anywhere near that unless he lands an MVP and super bowl win. 
Allen currently might struggle to get a deal similar to Ryan tannehill in Tennessee 

 

Funny you should mention Tannehill.....over the next 4 years, Ryan Tannehill will make more money than Patrick Mahomes.

 

 

11 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Unfortunately for KC, this means their window to win another championship just closed, it’s now and that’s that.  They won’t be able to retain a lot of their talent, they have way too many big contracts already.  It’s going to be a Green Bay type of deal in short order. 
 

Dak should be offering Maholmes and his agent some commission for the extra money they just made him.  
 

To me, this makes this year Allen’s absolute do or die year.  If he can’t prove himself to be an elite QB, you have to look to the draft this coming year to replace him.  You can’t commit 25+MM to him for year 5 if he’s not there after this year and you sure as hell cant be tossing 35MM plus for him annually at this level of performance.   The worst thing to happen could be another year like last year where he flashes, but never puts it all together for more than a half.  He’s got to show mastery of the fundamental throws this year and bring back his dual threat ability to make him worth keeping.  If that doesn’t happen, you can’t lock up your salary cap for what he brings.
 

 

Um....they are bringing back 20 of 22 starters from last years team...One of the starters being replaced is Reggie Ragland....with 2nd Round pick Willie Gay Jr. (first round talent, slipped in draft for knocking out his own QB)  And we added Clyde Edwards Hellaire.  ....also....SEE ABOVE....Mahomes costs LESS THAN RYAN TANNEHILL for the next 4 seasons.

 

And....the core is signed through 2021 by the way.  Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Fisher, Schwartz, CEH, Honey Badger, Frank Clark, Thornhill, Butker....we are locked and loaded for a good run.

[Logic]

9 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

Funny you should mention Tannehill.....over the next 4 years, Ryan Tannehill will make more money than Patrick Mahomes.

 

 

 

Um....they are bringing back 20 of 22 starters from last years team...One of the starters being replaced is Reggie Ragland....with 2nd Round pick Willie Gay Jr. (first round talent, slipped in draft for knocking out his own QB)  And we added Clyde Edwards Hellaire.  ....also....SEE ABOVE....Mahomes costs LESS THAN RYAN TANNEHILL for the next 4 seasons.

 

And....the core is signed through 2021 by the way.  Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Fisher, Schwartz, CEH, Honey Badger, Frank Clark, Thornhill, Butker....we are locked and loaded for a good run.

 

I sure wish this would be your last ever post on this forum.

 

From day one, your only purpose here has been to brag about Pat Mahomes while casting doubt on Josh Allen. To brag that your team “won the trade”. You pretend that you’re rooting for the Bills and Allen, but you’re not. If you ARE, it is only out of some misplaced pity and feeling of superiority on your part.

 

Along the way, you’ve predicted multiple losing seasons for the Bills, posted baiting troll topics, predicted the Chiefs would go 16-0, and all while pretending to be a friendly guy  who “just wants to talk ball”. Enough already.

 

You got your Lombardi trophy, you got your mega QB under contract for the next thousand years, and the jury’s still out on Allen. Take your condescension, your thinly veiled trolling attempts, and your pity, and leave the forum. Go talk to your fellow Chiefs fans and quit being a nuisance. 

 

Get gone.

[Zerovoltz]

20 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

I sure wish this would be your last ever post on this forum.

 

From day one, your only purpose here has been to brag about Pat Mahomes while casting doubt on Josh Allen. To brag that your team “won the trade”. You pretend that you’re rooting for the Bills and Allen, but you’re not. If you ARE, it is only out of some misplaced pity and feeling of superiority on your part.

 

Along the way, you’ve predicted multiple losing seasons for the Bills, posted baiting troll topics, predicted the Chiefs would go 16-0, and all while pretending to be a friendly guy  who “just wants to talk ball”. Enough already.

 

You got your Lombardi trophy, you got your mega QB under contract for the next thousand years, and the jury’s still out on Allen. Take your condescension, your thinly veiled trolling attempts, and your pity, and leave the forum. Go talk to your fellow Chiefs fans and quit being a nuisance. 

 

Get gone.

 

From day 1, that WAS my purpose to come here.  In the process, I've ended up liking the community.  I don't hate the Bills...I hate the Broncos.  I root for Buffalo when they aren't playing KC....and just because I doubt Josh Allen doesn't mean I don't like watching him....he's exciting as hell!  I've been rooting for him to prove my doubts wrong since you drafted him.  (just like many fans here)  I understand how I come off as a condescending jerk based on how I came to find the this place and my early times here... but I don't plan to go away....I don't post all that often now as it is....looking forward to the season...hope we have one...the KC/Buffalo game in your crib should be a good one.  I'll be here to talk about, like it or not.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Hey Zero 

 

keep up the good work.  Just ignore those who can’t figure out people can like more than i

1 team.  
 

 

[Teddy KGB]

The bills trade pick # 10 to the chiefs 

 

 

10 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Dak is a good QB

naaaaa 

[LabattBlue]

6 hours ago, Billl said:

In case you care, Tyreek has 4 kids with Crystal Espinal, the woman who accused him both times.  He has full custody of all 4 of them.  He didn’t do it either time, and she basically admitted as much on the recording she made.  She lied.  He didn’t do any of it.

Yeah...as soon as he probably  promised her $$$, I'm sure she changed her tune.  He is such a choir boy.

[BornAgainBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

The bills trade pick # 10 to the chiefs 

 

I'm so glad they did now!! Who needs a $50,000,000 a year anchor around your neck for a decade???