Redskins facing severe pressure to change name.

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

well if your doomsday scenario of this runaway slippery slope of wokeness actually occurs then I’ll be sure to give you full credit for predicting it. 
 

and you’re the karen in this thread, not sure how you misused that term so completely.

one could argue that we are upon the precipice of that runaway slippery slope.

 

as for the "Karen" comment, i gonna go ahead and guess you missed the point entirely.

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

You do realize that Redskins is not offensive to a whole lot of people, to include a whole lot of Native Americans, don't you?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

You do realize that Redskins is offensive to a whole lot of people, to include a whole lot of Native Americans, don't you?

 

http://nativeappropriations.com/2016/05/wapos-new-redskns-survey.html

[Foxx]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

We decide through an open and honest discussion about these issues, how the hell else does a wrong get righted? Your argument pretends that a solution can’t be found, or that treating others as you would want to be treated is not something to aspire to. Has our country become so intellectually lazy that finding a solution is just to hard to attempt? 

can i guess what your pronoun is?

[GoBills808]

Change is hard

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

one could argue that we are upon the precipice of that runaway slippery slope.

 

as for the "Karen" comment, i gonna go ahead and guess you missed the point entirely.

Yeah I have trouble interpreting the ravings of scared, sad little regressives. I’m trying to learn though.

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, Foxx said:

one could argue that we are upon the precipice of that runaway slippery slope.

 

as for the "Karen" comment, i gonna go ahead and guess you missed the point entirely.

or maybe it's a water slide.

[Happy]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Most people, I’d think.  Why else would someone intentionally continue to use the old name other than because they are acting out?

 

I think there is just a loud minority who are taken back by the name Redskins.  Not all Native Americans are offended, or even care, by the Redskins team name; and that very well may be the majority of tribes.  Nobody who addresses the team name is degrading Native Americans, in fact, I believe they don't even think about it; I know I fall into that category.  I think only a minority of all Americans are supposedly bothered by the name, which is most likely politically motivated.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Happy said:

 

I think there is just a loud minority who are taken back by the name Redskins.  Not all Native Americans are offended, or even care, by the Redskins team name; and that very well may be the majority of tribes.  Nobody who addresses the team name is degrading Native Americans, in fact, I believe they don't even think about it; I know I fall into that category.  I think only a minority of all Americans are supposedly bothered by the name, which is most likely politically motivated.

 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/new-poll-finds-90-percent-native-americans-not-offended-redskins-name

Quote

After years of controversy surrounding the Redskins name, The Washington Post released a new poll that finds 9 in 10 Native Americans are not offended by the name.  The poll surveyed opinions on the team name from more than 500 Native Americans across the country.

 

But way to go cherry picking a video of politically motivated people, and Jon Steward (which is satire, by the way).

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Happy said:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/new-poll-finds-90-percent-native-americans-not-offended-redskins-name

 

But way to go cherry picking a video of politically motivated people, and Jon Steward (which is satire, by the way).

 

41 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

You do realize that Redskins is offensive to a whole lot of people, to include a whole lot of Native Americans, don't you?

 

http://nativeappropriations.com/2016/05/wapos-new-redskns-survey.html

 

[muppy]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Just spitballing here, but I’d assume those people will simply be considered jackasses. 

it will take a minute for folks to reacclimate to a different name. I live in san diego and I often think of the Chargers as "san Diego" instead of LA".....its a brain slip it's going to happen and often. The new name will become known with a new fight song or a marketing scheme eventually.  People are creatures of habit and the Redskins name has been around for years.the team has  a storied past. The  name won't go silently into the night. The new name wont be consensus popular no matter which name they choose either. Im trying to empathize with their fans, as if someone did ask for the Bills to change names.  Thats not happening IMO. In the case of Redskins though some see it as a sports name others as a racial slur...Big Difference. The slur proponents are being heard now and I dont have any problem with they changing the name. At least they will still have football.

[Happy]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

 

So the NBC Sports article clearly states that a Washington Post poll (national survey) found that 90% of Native Americans are not offended by 'Redskins.' 

Then you link some obscure native appropriations site which arrives at a completely opposite case.  Both articles are from May 19, 2016.  I think I'll side with the NBC Sports article since I think your link is both fabricating the truth and has a political slant.

 

I'm sure some Native Americans are offended by the name, but again, it is the minority.  Let's say that number grew to 20% (from 10% in 2016), does it really make sense to change a long standing, traditional name for 20% of a population?  I couldn't care less what non Native Americans think about this.  If the Redskins change their name, it is financially motivated due to cowardly corporate sponsors dropping the team.  I side with Dan Snyder on this and I hope he finds new sponsors.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Happy

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

I think there is just a loud minority who are taken back by the name Redskins.  Not all Native Americans are offended, or even care, by the Redskins team name; and that very well may be the majority of tribes.  Nobody who addresses the team name is degrading Native Americans, in fact, I believe they don't even think about it; I know I fall into that category.  I think only a minority of all Americans are supposedly bothered by the name, which is most likely politically motivated.

It’s not a minority among the native population.  In any event it’s a whole lot of people who view “redskins” as a slur.  It’s also kind of ridiculous to point to intent.  It’s something that a lot of people view as a racial slur and there’s certainly good reason why.

 

To me it’s similar to this true story.  I have had a friend since kindergarten and I’m 51 now.  I used to call him Billy.  We were kids and it differentiated him from my uncle Bill.  One day when I was in college he says to me “You know, you’re the only one that still calls me Billy.”  He was telling me that he knew it wasn’t intentional, but that it was disrespectful.  So I started calling him Bill.  It cost me nothing to do that and it was a respectful way to treat another person.  That’s what this amounts to with Washington. 

[Happy]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

It’s not a minority among the native population.  In any event it’s a whole lot of people who view “redskins” as a slur.  It’s also kind of ridiculous to point to intent.  It’s something that a lot of people view as a racial slur and there’s certainly good reason why.

 

To me it’s similar to this true story.  I have had a friend since kindergarten and I’m 51 now.  I used to call him Billy.  We were kids and it differentiated him from my uncle Bill.  One day when I was in college he says to me “You know, you’re the only one that still calls me Billy.”  He was telling me that he knew it wasn’t intentional, but that it was disrespectful.  So I started calling him Bill.  It cost me nothing to do that and it was a respectful way to treat another person.  That’s what this amounts to with Washington. 

 

It is a minority of the native population, as of May, 2016, only 10% found the team name 'Redskins' offensive.  The link is a few posts above.

 

I'm glad you're still friends with your childhood friend, those are important the older we get.  It is an apples to oranges comparison, though.  One person's preference as to how they want to be referred versus a long standing, major sports team name where a small minority of individuals take offense.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

I’m cool with name Redskins...but then again I’d be cool with New York Negross or Dallas White Boys...

 

I mean, they already have a team called The Browns, so I don’t really see the big deal...??‍♂️?

/smh

 

A Brownie  is Scottish/English for an elflike character:

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Typical inbreed in it.  She was "1/12" native american.  I guess that is because her mother was impregnated by 2 men at once otherwise the math does not work out.

No it means one great grand parents and one great great grand parent

[RaoulDuke79]

On 7/2/2020 at 9:42 PM, Beast said:

https://wtop.com/washington-redskins/2020/07/fedex-asks-washington-redskins-to-change-name/
 

Also, Nike has just pulled all Redskins merchandise.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898699-nike-appears-to-remove-all-washington-nfl-team-apparel-from-online-store

 

This will be interesting to see if Snyder caves in to the cancel culture.

 

Are the KC Chiefs next?

 

Atlanta Braves?

 

the list of Indian names goes on and on.

Indians ready to discuss changing team name
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1982302

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Indians ready to discuss changing team name
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1982302

The Redskins and Indians are the two that need change, IMO.

 

The Indians got even more silly over the years with the cartoony logo. I don't think the Redskins logo offends anyone.

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

/smh

 

A Brownie  is Scottish/English for an elflike character:

 

 

 

 

 

that's not an elf, thats Baker Mayfield

[RaoulDuke79]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The Redskins and Indians are the two that need change, IMO.

 

The Indians got even more silly over the years with the cartoony logo. 

I believe they already did away with Chief Wahoo.I'll be interested to see when the movie Major League and Indian motorcycles are due for the chopping block. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by RaoulDuke79

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

that's not an elf, thats Baker Mayfield

Yes, but it's 'Halloween Baker'.  Not 'Grunge Baker', or 'GQ Baker', like we get in the post game press conferences.  ?

 Shoudn't he be flipping us off?  ?

Edited July 4, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yes, but it's 'Halloween Baker'.  Not 'Grunge Baker', or 'GQ Baker', like we get in the post game press conferences.  ?

at least it's not cheesecake factory Baker.

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I believe they already did away with Chief Wahoo.

like two years ago, probably late enough that changing the name there has too much steam for that to fix it.

[RaoulDuke79]

24 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yes, but it's 'Halloween Baker'.  Not 'Grunge Baker', or 'GQ Baker', like we get in the post game press conferences.  ?

 Shoudn't he be flipping us off?  ?

I prefer late 1800's detective Mayfield. Thats my favorite to date.

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by RaoulDuke79

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I believe they already did away with Chief Wahoo.

Yep. Only a matter of time before "Indians" got changed. I think pretty much everyone has self-corrected by now to calling them Native Americans.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

No it means one great grand parents and one great great grand parent

 

That is not way math works.  

[Augie]

2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

/smh

 

A Brownie  is Scottish/English for an elflike character:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No match for that little guy from Notre Dame, that’s for sure! But......if they had a cage match on pay-per-view right now, I’d probably go for it! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I prefer later 1800's detective Mayfield. Thats my favorite to date.

 

Ah.  'Sherlock Mayfield'.

[stinky finger]

41 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I believe they already did away with Chief Wahoo.I'll be interested to see when the movie Major League and Indian motorcycles are due for the chopping block. 

 

Please, please pleeeeease don't do away with Indian summer!!

[stinky finger]

45 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I prefer late 1800's detective Mayfield. Thats my favorite to date.

 

 

Ohhh....just one more thing.......I like me some Peter Falk Mayfield.  

44 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

That is not way math works.  

 

And this...this is NOT how the English language works. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

The Redskins and Indians are the two that need change, IMO.

 

The Indians got even more silly over the years with the cartoony logo. I don't think the Redskins logo offends anyone.

that's not an elf, thats Baker Mayfield

Historically they used to have  an arrow on helmet and an R with feathers for  a short  spell.  They  were in PC crisis even before it was PC???

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

58 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

That is not way math works.  

I read it as 12%-my mistake- the only way you can determine 1/12 or 8.25 is by doing a DNA test.

[Don Otreply]

10 hours ago, Beast said:

I asked you a question. Plain and simple. Easy to answer.

 

What is acceptable moving forward when talking about the Washington Redskins past if a name change is made?

 

And what happens if people insist on calling them what their name was? 

 

 

You asked a question about a thing no one but yourself was making reference to, hence a strawman argument. 

 

Nice attempt, kind of, we both know your scenario won’t happen. 
 

It does appear you like, dare I say prefer derogatory names for what is a non white member of our American society, hmmm, this says a certain thing, does it not? I will leave you with another well known saying, 

 

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, 

 

[blacklabel]

I'd like to see them go with those throwback uniforms that have a darker burgundy and gold numbers. And with the throwback helmet too. Like this: 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, blacklabel said:

I'd like to see them go with those throwback uniforms that have a darker burgundy and gold numbers. And with the throwback helmet too. Like this: 

The Washington Seminoles. FSU through and through. They're better off changing it to something that has no connection whatsoever to race, ethnicity,  or culture so we're not going down this road again in 20 years.

[jimmy10]

3 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I prefer late 1800's detective Mayfield. Thats my favorite to date.

 

Nailed it. He looks like he should be in one of those Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movies. 

[Saint Doug]

On 7/2/2020 at 10:38 PM, Warcodered said:

I mean Chiefs and Braves aren't really all that offensive I mean you can say both those things and it's fine where as Redskins is a racial slur on it's own.

Redskins name is a slur, but these other teams are named after real people, not a mascot, an animal, or a concept. How can you honestly connect the Chiefs, Braves, Indians to these actually teams. Are there any Native Americans on them or were these teams started/owned by Native Americans? This would be like calling a team the Buffalo Black People or the Washington Whites. It makes no sense. If Washington gets forced to change their name, so should all of them. These names are belittling. 

[GreggTX]

The origin of the term "redskins" refers to piles of skin sliced off the corpses of the indigenous and covered with blood. The government paid well for these 'proof of murder' skins and, in fact, many men fashioned a career out of mass murder of indigenous people. Some other body parts were also accepted and rewarded. One of the better known instances of this arrangement occurred during the California Gold Rush where many prospectors couldn't make enough money looking for gold, so they organized weekend murder parties to kill indigenous and turn in "redskins" for rewards. Ya think that label might bother some folks in a country where wiping every last one of them off the face of the earth was once official government policy?

Edited July 5, 2020 by GreggTX

[RaoulDuke79]

12 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

The origin of the term "redskins" refers to piles of skin sliced off the corpses of the indigenous and covered with blood. The government paid well for these 'proof of murder' skins and, in fact, many men fashioned a career out of mass murder of indigenous people. Some other body parts were also accepted and rewarded. One of the better known instances of this arrangement occurred during the California Gold Rush where many prospectors couldn't make enough money looking for gold, so they organized weekend murder parties to kill indigenous and turn in "redskins" for rewards. Ya think that label might bother some folks in a country where wiping every last one of them off the face of the earth was once official government policy?

Best get rid of the 49ers then as well. Guilty by association. 

[eball]

@Happy please let me know the nickname of a professional US sports team that 10% of white people find offensive.

 

I’ll be waiting. 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, eball said:

@Happy please let me know the nickname of a professional US sports team that 10% of white people find offensive.

 

I’ll be waiting. 

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish........its not offensive until the media and big business tells you its offensive. Thats when people decide to get on board. 

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish........its not offensive until the media and big business tells you its offensive. Thats when people decide to get on board. 

I think you might be confusing being offended with just hating the team. Though I don't know my dad hates that team because they're always on T.V. even when they're terrible.