Redskins facing severe pressure to change name.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 7/2/2020 at 8:42 PM, Beast said:

Redskins facing severe pressure to change name.

 

Well, they should change their name. They're in Landover MD not Washington.

[ALF]

Name change necessary for RFK site to be option for new Washington stadium   (located in DC)

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/02/name-change-necessary-for-rfk-site-to-be-option-for-new-washington-stadium/

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, Beast said:

Oh really?

 

So, are you in favor of firing each and every person that has ever said Redskins?

 

Have YOU ever said Redskins?

 

I anxiously await your response.

Yes I have said the word, and it is a derogatory racist word, as a child growing up I did not know better, as an adult I do know better, and I strive in my life to be a better person, I am certainly not perfect, but what I know how to change for the better I try to do. How about you? 
 

Firing someone? I never said anything about doing so, , are you attempting a strawman argument, are you afraid for some reason to address what I said? 
 

its okay,  change can be scary, when one realizes they have been party to a thing that is wrong, and then changes their behavior they have done a good thing, it’s nothing to be ashamed off. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Foxx]

6 hours ago, CarpetCrawler said:

Didn't  Cowboys kill Native Americans??  They're next.

 

Wasn't Buffalo Bill Cody a Cowboy??

 

At this rate we have about a month left before we become the Buffalo Bisons.

 

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Excellent over-exaggeration. The other CHUDs in this thread would be proud. 

people will laugh this off but ...it won't be long before they come for guys named Bill, then Dick, then Henry and you know it will happen, Karen.

think about it...

[BringBackFergy]

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Excellent over-exaggeration. The other CHUDs in this thread would be proud. 

I had to look up “CHUD” and there’s various meanings. Which one were you aiming for: Canabalistic dweller or ugly/stupid person?

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I had to look up “CHUD” and there’s various meanings. Which one were you aiming for: Canabalistic dweller or ugly/stupid person?

Hahaha.....I just did the same thing.  Learn something new every day. You need to go to the Uban dictionary to get the meaning in the context he was using it. Then you will be woke.

Edited July 4, 2020 by RaoulDuke79

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Excellent over-exaggeration. The other CHUDs in this thread would be proud. 

Chapo check

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Thurman Kelly said:

I don't care about Washington's football team, and I certainly don't care about their name, but if the NFL doesn't decide to be a football league instead of a lobbying organization pretty soon , they are going to lose a lot of fans and I'm going to be one of them.  I've been a Bills season ticket holder a long time, but between planning to play without fans in the stands, kneeling, performing a so called "black national anthem", renaming teams, and declaring their support for political causes, I'm just about ready to find something else to do.

 

I don't watch football to hear anyone's political opinions or grievances.  I doubt that those who are complaining the loudest watch football at all.  I can watch CNN or Fox News if I want to follow the latest in politics.

 

There are still alternative things to do with my time other than watch sports - that don't require me to endure political infomercials.

is any of this going on during the games? I never watch or listen to the anthem on TV...I usually have the red zone channel on till kickoff and making sure my fantasy lineup is set. This is how I enjoy football. 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Yes I have said the word, and it is a derogatory racist word, as a child growing up I did not know better, as an adult I do know better, and I strive in my life to be a better person, I am certainly not perfect, but what I know how to change for the better I try to do. How about you? 
 

Firing someone? I never said anything about doing so, , are you attempting a strawman argument, are you afraid for some reason to address what I said? 
 

its okay,  change can be scary, when one realizes they have been party to a thing that is wrong, and then changes their behavior they have done a good thing, it’s nothing to be ashamed off. 

It’s not a strawman argument. It’s either a racial slur or it isn’t a racial slur.

 

Do we say, remember the Bills v. Redskins Super Bowl where Andre Reed threw his helmet or is that going to land someone in the Shameville jail? 

 

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Chemical said:

Lol at “ lobbying organization” 

you know no one cares what you do with your time. 
 

It is odd to me that so many Americans seem to have invented a right to not hear things they don’t want to hear. One would think the  league siding with righting a historically long period of social injustice would be thought of as a very good thing.

Behavioral change scares the hell out of some folk. The kicker is that treating other people as you want to be treated is easy. 

 

There is and old saying, when one asks when the best time to plant a tree is , the answer is, twenty years ago, the 2nd best time is NOW...

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It is odd to me that so many Americans seem to have invented a right to not hear things they don’t want to hear. One would think the  league siding with righting a historically long period of social injustice would be thought of as a very good thing.

Behavioral change scares the hell out of some folk. The kicker is that treating other people as you want to be treated is easy. 

 

There is and old saying, when one asks when the best time to plant a tree is , the answer is, twenty years ago, the 2nd best time is NOW...

where and when so these supposed behavioral changes stop?

 

who and/or what decides what is appropriate?

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

It’s not a strawman argument. It’s either a racial slur or it isn’t a racial slur.

 

Do we say, remember the Bills v. Redskins Super Bowl where Andre Reed threw his helmet or is that going to land someone in the Shameville jail? 

 

You sir are not nearly as astute as you seem to believe, you pursue your firing and jail thing as if it was something other than the strawman argument it is.  I’ll leave you with this, 

 

When asked when the best time to plant a tree is, the answer is twenty year ago, the second best time to plant a tree is NOW. 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Foxx said:

where and when so these supposed behavioral changes stop?

 

who and/or what decides what is appropriate?

We decide through an open and honest discussion about these issues, how the hell else does a wrong get righted? Your argument pretends that a solution can’t be found, or that treating others as you would want to be treated is not something to aspire to. Has our country become so intellectually lazy that finding a solution is just to hard to attempt? 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Yes I have said the word, and it is a derogatory racist word, as a child growing up I did not know better, as an adult I do know better, and I strive in my life to be a better person, I am certainly not perfect, but what I know how to change for the better I try to do. How about you? 
 

Firing someone? I never said anything about doing so, , are you attempting a strawman argument, are you afraid for some reason to address what I said? 
 

its okay,  change can be scary, when one realizes they have been party to a thing that is wrong, and then changes their behavior they have done a good thing, it’s nothing to be ashamed off. 

 

15 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It is odd to me that so many Americans seem to have invented a right to not hear things they don’t want to hear. One would think the  league siding with righting a historically long period of social injustice would be thought of as a very good thing.

Behavioral change scares the hell out of some folk. The kicker is that treating other people as you want to be treated is easy. 

 

There is and old saying, when one asks when the best time to plant a tree is , the answer is, twenty years ago, the 2nd best time is NOW...

 

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You sir are not nearly as astute as you seem to believe, you pursue your firing and jail thing as if it was something other than the strawman argument it is.  I’ll leave you with this, 

 

When asked when the best time to plant a tree is, the answer is twenty year ago, the second best time to plant a tree is NOW. 

 

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We decide through an open and honest discussion about these issues, how the hell else does a wrong get righted? Your argument pretends that a solution can’t be found, or that treating others as you would want to be treated is not something to aspire to. Has our country become so intellectually lazy that finding a solution is just to hard to attempt? 

 

I like your style.

[Beast]

16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You sir are not nearly as astute as you seem to believe, you pursue your firing and jail thing as if it was something other than the strawman argument it is.  I’ll leave you with this, 

 

When asked when the best time to plant a tree is, the answer is twenty year ago, the second best time to plant a tree is NOW. 

I asked you a question. Plain and simple. Easy to answer.

 

What is acceptable moving forward when talking about the Washington Redskins past if a name change is made?

 

And what happens if people insist on calling them what their name was? 

 

 

[jimmy10]

12 hours ago, Thurman Kelly said:

I don't care about Washington's football team, and I certainly don't care about their name, but if the NFL doesn't decide to be a football league instead of a lobbying organization pretty soon , they are going to lose a lot of fans and I'm going to be one of them.  I've been a Bills season ticket holder a long time, but between planning to play without fans in the stands, kneeling, performing a so called "black national anthem", renaming teams, and declaring their support for political causes, I'm just about ready to find something else to do.

 

I don't watch football to hear anyone's political opinions or grievances.  I doubt that those who are complaining the loudest watch football at all.  I can watch CNN or Fox News if I want to follow the latest in politics.

 

There are still alternative things to do with my time other than watch sports - that don't require me to endure political infomercials.

We had a group of guys in the row behind us for a few years who looooved calling Tyrod Taylor the n-word. I mean, these dudes wallowed in it, like pigs in sh**. I bet they’re considering handing in their fandom cards over all this too. I say good riddance. The world moves on, and people who can’t get cranky. It’s inevitable. 

[eball]

40 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

And what happens if people insist on calling them what their name was? 

Just spitballing here, but I’d assume those people will simply be considered jackasses. 

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

 

people will laugh this off but ...it won't be long before they come for guys named Bill, then Dick, then Henry and you know it will happen, Karen.

think about it...

well if your doomsday scenario of this runaway slippery slope of wokeness actually occurs then I’ll be sure to give you full credit for predicting it. 
 

and you’re the karen in this thread, not sure how you misused that term so completely.

[Happy]

10 minutes ago, eball said:

Just spitballing here, but I’d assume those people will simply be considered jackasses. 

 

Maybe by you, and you only, in which case who cares.

[bigK14094]

San Antonio HOGS sounds about right to me.

[SirAndrew]

12 hours ago, Thurman Kelly said:

I don't care about Washington's football team, and I certainly don't care about their name, but if the NFL doesn't decide to be a football league instead of a lobbying organization pretty soon , they are going to lose a lot of fans and I'm going to be one of them.  I've been a Bills season ticket holder a long time, but between planning to play without fans in the stands, kneeling, performing a so called "black national anthem", renaming teams, and declaring their support for political causes, I'm just about ready to find something else to do.

 

I don't watch football to hear anyone's political opinions or grievances.  I doubt that those who are complaining the loudest watch football at all.  I can watch CNN or Fox News if I want to follow the latest in politics.

 

There are still alternative things to do with my time other than watch sports - that don't require me to endure political infomercials.

How is planning to play without fans going to drive you away ? I’m sure the Bills would love a full stadium, and the revenue it generates. This isn’t their decision. Plus, politics are everywhere today. People have gone absolutely mad feeling the need to constantly choose a “side”. So if you can find an activity that involves fully escaping politics, good luck because both sides have decided we need constant reminders of where they stand politically. It’s become part of our identities in a world that leaves most people feeling completely disconnected and unsatisfied. It’s a mechanism to connect with the world in an increasingly disconnected society. You just have to make the choice to ignore the noise, because it’s part of our world now. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Happy said:

 

Maybe by you, and you only, in which case who cares.

Most people, I’d think.  Why else would someone intentionally continue to use the old name other than because they are acting out?

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

where and when so these supposed behavioral changes stop?

 

who and/or what decides what is appropriate?

Well the whites had the call for 400 years....and look at where we are.....

[bigK14094]

25 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Well the whites had the call for 400 years....and look at where we are.....

You mean the most prosperous nation in the world?

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

The kicker is that treating other people as you want to be treated is easy. 

 

Which kicker? There is a lot of kickers very vocal in opinions? 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

I asked you a question. Plain and simple. Easy to answer.

 

What is acceptable moving forward when talking about the Washington Redskins past if a name change is made?

 

And what happens if people insist on calling them what their name was? 

 

 

just don’t do it on the internet, lest they trace your username to your real life name and you get fired for being insensitive.

[wppete]

Was sent this to me by my friend who is full blood Native American. An interesting perspective. 
 

 

[jimmy10]

41 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

You mean the most prosperous nation in the world?

All that free labor for the first 200+ years sure helped. 

[Warcodered]

26 minutes ago, wppete said:

Was sent this to me by my friend who is full blood Native American. An interesting perspective. 
 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Just spitballing here, but I’d assume those people will simply be considered jackasses. 

 

I think ignorant, mindless beasts are more appropriate.

[Warcodered]

 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Most people, I’d think.  Why else would someone intentionally continue to use the old name other than because they are acting out?

 

OK, so we won't be able to say the Washington Redskins won three SB Championships in their history without being looked upon as acting out or being a racist?

 

I'll be using the name Redskins while referring to their past because that was their name. In fact, it still is yheir name for the time being.

 

Can we not show highlights of past home Redskins games because it does say Redskins in the endzone? Better burn the videos of SB 26 and a host of other SB games. 

 

The history won't be wiped away like a statue you don't like.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Beast

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

OK, so we won't be able to say the Washington Redskins won three SB Championships in their history without being looked upon as acting out or being a racist?

 

I'll be using the name Redskins while referring to their past because that was their name. In fact, it still is yheir name for the time being.

 

Can we not show highlights of past home Redskins games because it does say Redskins in the endzone? Better burn the videos of SB 26 and a host of other SB games. 

 

The history won't be wiped away like a statue you don't like.

So because it would be awkward talking about stupid ***** we did in the past we shouldn't stop doing stupid ***** in the present?

Edited July 4, 2020 by Warcodered

[Beast]

Just now, Warcodered said:

So because it would be awkward talking about stupid ***** in the past we shouldn't change stupid ***** in the present?

 

I really don't care what the Redskins change their name to. I am referencing their past and what kind of reaction people are going to have when people called them the Redskins.

 

It appears, at least from this thread, it may cause problems for some when they hear that name. 

[JaCrispy]

I’m cool with name Redskins...but then again I’d be cool with New York Negross or Dallas White Boys...

 

I mean, they already have a team called The Browns, so I don’t really see the big deal...??‍♂️?

Edited July 4, 2020 by JaCrispy

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

I really don't care what the Redskins change their name to. I am referencing their past and what kind of reaction people are going to have when people called them the Redskins.

 

It appears, at least from this thread, it may cause problems for some when they hear that name. 

So first of all just using the new name to refer to them wouldn't be that hard or confusing. Second the word "Redskins" is offensive so yes anytime you choose to use it you risk offending people, I mean intention matters of course but then again you can't just assume people will know your intention.

[Beast]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So first of all just using the new name to refer to them wouldn't be that hard or confusing. Second the word "Redskins" is offensive so yes anytime you choose to use it you risk offending people, I mean intention matters of course but then again you can't just assume people will know your intention.

 

You do realize that Redskins is not offensive to a whole lot of people, to include a whole lot of Native Americans, don't you?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

Edited July 4, 2020 by Beast

[Punching Bag]

29 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

Typical inbreed in it.  She was "1/12" native american.  I guess that is because her mother was impregnated by 2 men at once otherwise the math does not work out.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Well the whites had the call for 400 years....and look at where we are.....

you're welcome.

[BarleyNY]

22 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

OK, so we won't be able to say the Washington Redskins won three SB Championships in their history without being looked upon as acting out or being a racist?

 

I'll be using the name Redskins while referring to their past because that was their name. In fact, it still is yheir name for the time being.

 

Can we not show highlights of past home Redskins games because it does say Redskins in the endzone? Better burn the videos of SB 26 and a host of other SB games. 

 

The history won't be wiped away like a statue you don't like.

You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth.  I responded to someone who asked how someone who continued to refer to the team as the Redskins should be perceived.  Feel free to respond to that.
 

When referring to the team historically I’d say it depends on context.  I’d think that rather than use a racial slur people will use the new name if the context is simply old records or wins.  Everyone will know who they mean.  In years to come newer/younger fans won’t associate the old name with the team anyway.
 

So why would you deem it necessary to use “Redskins” when referring to Washington’s past?  Everyone would know what team you meant if you used the new name.  What’s gained by insisting on using a slur?