Texans and Cowboys players test positive

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

If a player tests positive before a game as an example. Will they be able to play?

Lot of things I want to know how they deal with...

 

As you said, what if a team shows up at the stadium, and the morning of the game 4 of the 5 starting OL test positive?

 

If the Bills play the Jets and the day after the game you find out a bunch of Jets players tested positive, do the Bills or Jets opponents not want to play them?

 

Players agree to play, but what happens when/if a few players get the virus and they do get really sick? Do some teammates see that and have second thoughts and back out? or pressure the union to make changes?

 

Lots of coaches and I'm sure trainers aren't as young or in shape as the players, yet they have contact with them everyday. Sure, the players may in general be in good shape, but how about the coaches?

 

Speaking of the players, these days they all have their diet and overall health monitored. Yet, we know there are some players (OL and DL) that aren't in the best of shape due to their weight. Are they more prone to get it..and if they do get it..is it likely to impact them in a more severe way?

 

Finally how about the players families?  Sure, they might be in good health, but what about when they go home at the end of the day to visit their wives, kids, maybe parents? If I'm a member of the Bills and playing the Dolphins on Sunday...and I hear the virus just went around the Phins locker room..do I want to take a chance and see if I get it and then come home to my 2 or 3 kids, maybe an infant?

[BringBackFergy]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This should be directed at his agent

 

 

Agreed. BUT, every facet of our economy is currently one big HIPAA violation. Schools, real estate showings, going back to work, etc. all require workers to answer three or four questions (Have you come in contact with any COVID patient in the last 14 days? Have you felt sick with fever or cough in last 14 days? etc). Zeke might want to see how all of us have our medical histories on the table right now.

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Oh the panic, absolute panic.

 

SO THEY HAVE IT?  They are world class athletes with world class medical facilities, the NFL wont have any shortage of tests for it, most of them will get the virus and barely feel any symptoms.  Now they have to have at least an 85 IQ not to to visit the in firmed,  old folks and nursing homes while during infectious stages.

Old folks like Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Bruce Arians, and Pete Caroll?  

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Oh the panic, absolute panic.

 

SO THEY HAVE IT?  They are world class athletes with world class medical facilities, the NFL wont have any shortage of tests for it, most of them will get the virus and barely feel any symptoms.  Now they have to have at least an 85 IQ not to to visit the in firmed,  old folks and nursing homes while during infectious stages.

Bad response.

As per what I said in a previous post.....

 

You say "SO THEY HAVE IT?"  like its nothing? what about the families they live with...infant kids...parents or grandparents they may have close contact with?  Not to mention coaches they interact with that aren't currently world class athletes...and the family members of those coaches and staff and trainers?    There is a LOT more to playing the game than simply saying...so what, they are world class athletes.

[RiotAct]

13 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

 

That is what is virus is all about.  It's not a coordinated "conspiracy". but just people taking advantage of a bad situation to get what they want.

 

just a fun little side benefit!

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Old folks like Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Bruce Arians, and Pete Caroll?  

Yep, they will have to adapt, coach remotely  will have to wear masks and all the precautions.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Bad response.

As per what I said in a previous post.....

 

You say "SO THEY HAVE IT?"  like its nothing? what about the families they live with...infant kids...parents or grandparents they may have close contact with?  Not to mention coaches they interact with that aren't currently world class athletes...and the family members of those coaches and staff and trainers?    There is a LOT more to playing the game than simply saying...so what, they are world class athletes.

 

So for a lot of these guys it like "nothing".  As I wROte in my response they have to have aboVe an 85 IQ and be careful who they interact with.  

 

Thy dont want to adapt and take precautions, they dont want the risk, then dont play this year/

 

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Pardon my French, but to Hell with your opinion. 

 

Simply put, Players ARE going to get the virus. Most likely some of us too. They’re young & in great physical condition while being afforded the very best medical capabilities. The vast majority of people who’ve contracted the disease are not only fine within a month, they’re then immune.

 

”PLAY BALL!”!

 

I live in a Cave with an ashtray & a widescreen TV so it won't be me...

[mjd1001]

Just now, 123719bwiqrb said:

 

It's a Monday, this is the "throw the poop against the wall" phase of the week to see what sticks.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

So, are we back to COVID for our latest outrage outlet?

 

Its a message forum, ins't discussion like this what it is all about? Especially when this is a topic directly relating to the near future of the very sport this forum is about..

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Bad response.

As per what I said in a previous post.....

 

You say "SO THEY HAVE IT?"  like its nothing? what about the families they live with...infant kids...parents or grandparents they may have close contact with?  Not to mention coaches they interact with that aren't currently world class athletes...and the family members of those coaches and staff and trainers?    There is a LOT more to playing the game than simply saying...so what, they are world class athletes.

I honestly am not sure how the NFL will want to handle this. If players are tested positive even if a-symptomatic or not feeling sick they will need to be quarantined so as to not infect others. The risk reward ratio is what the NFL will need to decide and I doubt they will want to take on undue liability. So as is usually the case with the NFL it will become a monetary based decision as to what will allow them suffer the least risk of financial loss due to factors on both sides. That's what I think anyway. They cannot possibly agree to let non quarantined players whom have tested positive on the field. Can they? Would they?

[GG]

What about the NBA Covid epidemic that was started by Rudy Godert & Donovan Mitchell?   They were fully contagious in February & March when the games were in full swing.

[Rico]

11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Old folks like Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Bruce Arians, and Pete Caroll?  

Yeah, I would feel bad for Bruce Arians.  

[ProcessYaDigg]

Just sideline the Cowboys and Texans for the entire season.  No one would miss them anyway.

[CowgirlsFan]

YIKES!!!

 

This sounds like they've been working out together ☹

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, Muppy said:

I honestly am not sure how the NFL will want to handle this. If players are tested positive even if a-symptomatic or not feeling sick they will need to be quarantined so as to not infect others. The risk reward ratio is what the NFL will need to decide and I doubt they will want to take on undue liability. So as is usually the case with the NFL it will become a monetary based decision as to what will allow them suffer the least risk of financial loss due to factors on both sides. That's what I think anyway. They cannot possibly agree to let non quarantined players whom have tested positive on the field. Can they? Would they?

It is going to make placing bets on games interesting......what if the day of a game you have no idea who will be allowed to play and not?  Not to mention how much stress this will cause those filling out their fantasy lineups a couple days in advance.

Edited June 15, 2020 by mjd1001

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I think they are going to have to get to daily testing....everyone needs to get tested on the way into the facility.  I'm not sure what else you can do.

 

You can panic 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

No, they are out 2 weeks, which has been my stance all along that the season is not starting till a vaccine is here.  Let's hope those Sept estimates that are out there for vaccines are doable.

 

Oh yes those September vaccines are definitely on their way. I hear that delivery will be by unicorns travelling over rainbows

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

Per NFL.com

 

Need to call off the 2020 season imo. You can't socially distance in a team sport like football. Its inevitable that players will continue to test positive.

Then you might as well call off football til there’s a cure...could be next year, or 5-10 years from now...can’t take the chance...

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Pardon my French, but to Hell with your opinion. 

 

Simply put, Players ARE going to get the virus. Most likely some of us too. They’re young & in great physical condition while being afforded the very best medical capabilities. The vast majority of people who’ve contracted the disease are not only fine within a month, they’re then immune.

 

”PLAY BALL!”!

 

There is no specific treatment for this virus, so the medical facilities will provide supportive care, just like for anyone else. 

 

There is no agreement yet on immunity after having had the virus or being antibody positive.

 

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

It is going to make placing bets on games interesting......what if the day of a game you have no idea who will be allowed to play and not?  Not to mention how much stress this will cause those filling out their fantasy lineups a couple days in advance.

haha yep there is definitely that variable too. I honestly am not sure how the NFL will react to these players being covid-19 positive. I would think to safeguard themselves there would need to be a vaccine or players test anti-body positive. But are even the antibody tests reliable?  what a debacle

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

Just sideline the Cowboys and Texans for the entire season.  No one would miss them anyway.

Are you saying JJ Watt would not be missed?

 

I hope Sherlock Holmes doesn’t see this.

[muppy]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

What about the NBA Covid epidemic that was started by Rudy Godert & Donovan Mitchell?   They were fully contagious in February & March when the games were in full swing.

I'm very curious do you have any info regarding the aftermath of that? That would be telling....possibly predictive information

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Oh the panic, absolute panic.

 

SO THEY HAVE IT?  They are world class athletes with world class medical facilities, the NFL wont have any shortage of tests for it, most of them will get the virus and barely feel any symptoms.  Now they have to have at least an 85 IQ not to to visit the in firmed,  old folks and nursing homes while during infectious stages.

Do you think players that test positive will be allowed to play?  If not, did you even read my post?  What happens when you can’t field a proper team.  What happens when 4 offensive linemen test positive?  When 3 corners test positive?  When 3 QBs test positive?  You act like this can’t happen.
 

If you think they should be able to play with a positive test, well, that explains a lot.

 

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, Muppy said:

I'm very curious do you have any info regarding the aftermath of that? That would be telling....possibly predictive information

 

There were minimal reported infections after those 2 in the NBA.   It could be for two reasons, people actually observed HIPAA rules, or there were no more infections (or symptoms in the infected) from the initial cases.   I have my theory on which was the far more likely case.

[RiotAct]

9 minutes ago, Rico said:

Are you saying JJ Watt would not be missed?

 

I hope Sherlock Holmes doesn’t see this.

ESPN wouldn’t know what to do with themselves

[MJS]

Surprised more haven't gotten it. They'll be immune by the time the season starts. Lucky them.

[Irv]

I'm wondering how they can start the season from a legal standpoint.  Any player who contracts the virus could easily blame the owners for forcing them back into an unsafe work situation - and sue.  Then their families and friends could sue if they get it.  The NFLPA could file grievances as well.  Could turn into a legal and financial mess.   I think a lot of companies are keeping workers at home solely for legal reasons.   

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Irv

[The Fiend]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem is: how do they handle quarantining players who test positive during the season, without severely handicapping the team if those are key players (like Zeke for the Cowboys)

 

How would this be any different than a key player getting injured or even dying during the season, like Hank Gathers?? In the NFL, you take your chances.

 

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, Irv said:

I'm wondering how they can start the season from a legal standpoint.  Any player who contracts the virus could easily blame the owners for forcing them back into an unsafe work situation - and sue.  Then their families and friends could sue if they get it.  The NFLPA could file grievances as well.  Could turn into a legal and financial mess.   I think a lot of companies are keeping workers at home solely for legal reasons.   

 

 

a lot of release of liability notices signed Irv..its the only way I can think of. a boat load of them

 

Its not just the coaches and staff of the team whom deal with players  Its the media, its the stadium  workers, its the security details at games..its the referees Lots of people  . Legal and financial mess indeed.

[DrW]

One reason to be optimistic: The Bundesliga (1st and 2nd soccer division in Germany; 36 teams) has been back in action for a month now. The players are frequently tested - so far no new case of the virus. The main change - no fans in the stadium.

[Bills!Win!]

19 minutes ago, Irv said:

I'm wondering how they can start the season from a legal standpoint.  Any player who contracts the virus could easily blame the owners for forcing them back into an unsafe work situation - and sue.  Then their families and friends could sue if they get it.  The NFLPA could file grievances as well.  Could turn into a legal and financial mess.   I think a lot of companies are keeping workers at home solely for legal reasons.   

 

 

 A lot of us have had to work through all of this. They’ll get over it. They’re grown men 

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

 A lot of us have had to work through all of this. They’ll get over it. They’re grown men 

Yep. They'll either get over it or...ya know...die. Or maybe they'll survive, but have ongoing organ problems, lung problems, blood problems, or a stroke. No biggie. ?

[NoSaint]

24 minutes ago, Irv said:

I'm wondering how they can start the season from a legal standpoint.  Any player who contracts the virus could easily blame the owners for forcing them back into an unsafe work situation - and sue.  Then their families and friends could sue if they get it.  The NFLPA could file grievances as well.  Could turn into a legal and financial mess.   I think a lot of companies are keeping workers at home solely for legal reasons.   

 

 

and yet, many of us walk into work daily 

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yep. They'll either get over it or...ya know...die. Or maybe they'll survive, but have ongoing organ problems, lung problems, blood problems, or a stroke. No biggie. ?

add financial collapse under the weight of medical bills should they indeed survive.......hey its  not MY problem I dont give a damn.... *sigh*

[CuseBill]

1 minute ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

I just want to say it feels good to talk about football again.

 

I kid, of course we can't talk about sports anymore.  It's all politics all the time.

Okay let's talk some football...do you think the refs are going to have to carry Clorex with them and wipe down the ball after every play?  (I too am kidding)

[muppy]

1 minute ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

I just want to say it feels good to talk about football again.

 

I kid, of course we can't talk about sports anymore.  It's all politics all the time.

haha well its not the most active time of the NFL year in any case but the real world problems we are all dealing with and discussing are at the forefront of a lot of our minds...stressful times indeed and trust me I hope this gets ironed out with the NFL. I have tickets to an away game I already purchased in hopes things were going to work out we'd even have a season to attend games in...no given anymore,    

[123719bwiqrb]

5 minutes ago, CuseBill said:

Okay let's talk some football...do you think the refs are going to have to carry Clorex with them and wipe down the ball after every play?  (I too am kidding)

 

I'm picturing the bubbles like you see fans use at halftime (or at a Sabs game) where they run into each other.  Suit the refs up and they are clean forever.  Plus the players could get their frustrations out a little, too.

6 minutes ago, Muppy said:

haha well its not the most active time of the NFL year in any case but the real world problems we are all dealing with and discussing are at the forefront of a lot of our minds...stressful times indeed and trust me I hope this gets ironed out with the NFL. I have tickets to an away game I already purchased in hopes things were going to work out we'd even have a season to attend games in...no given anymore,    

I was all lined up to buy 2 seasons in section 314.  Now I wait.

 

If they let us into a game (let's assume the home opener), I am 100% there.  Like Ivan Drago said - if he dies, he dies.

[iinii]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

I remain pessimistic about a full season happening.

I stick with my position that the season will be started, but will not get the chance to finish.

 

Your position isn't going to be very popular but it would seem to be a good bet at this point. A very likely scenario is that the season gets underway and then sometime around December a team, or teams, or a significant number of players are out and the league has to shut it down. Baseball is fairly well socially distanced as it is. Basketball not so much but they can isolate in Orlando. Football has 6-7 times the number of players, larger staffs, facilities so the Basketball model isn't  going to be much help. 

 

3 hours ago, Cal said:

 

If a player tests positive before a game as an example. Will they be able to play?

no way 

Edited June 15, 2020 by iinii

[Logic]

4 hours ago, iinii said:

Your position isn't going to be very popular but it would seem to be a good bet at this point. A very likely scenario is that the season gets underway and then sometime around December a team, or teams, or a significant number of players are out and the league has to shut it down. Baseball is fairly well socially distanced as it is. Basketball not so much but they can isolate in Orlando. Football has 6-7 times the number of players, larger staffs, facilities so the Basketball model is  going to be much help. 

 

 

Right.

53 players x 32 teams = 1,696 players. Then, once you start factoring in coaches (many of whom are at-risk types, either age or weight wise or both), coordinators, support staff, media....it's a massive amount of people. And the physical closeness and intensity of contact between players is just off the charts compared to other sports.

In my mind, the idea of a 16 game season successfully taking place is incredibly unlikely. I desperately want to be wrong, because football is just about my favorite thing in the world. But confronting the facts with any sense of realism does not lead to an optimistic outlook.

 

[ogham26]

3 hours ago, Cal said:

Per NFL.com

 

Need to call off the 2020 season imo. You can't socially distance in a team sport like football. Its inevitable that players will continue to test positive.

 

people will continue to test positive and be fine.  with no vaccine positive tests could continue forever.  You want to just keep all sports an everything closed until a vaccine?  insanity.