whatdrought Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 17 hours ago, RiotAct said: Several of my fb friends are trying to normalize this behavior... makes me sick, quite frankly. ironic username for the win. 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Discussing the protests feels impossible because it’s hard to tell what is the result of understandable frustration and what is the result of people taking advantage of the situation (looting) there needs to be a line in the sand: protesting good, let’s talk about xyz. criminal activity bad, go to jail. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Oh the hilarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 18 hours ago, Bangarang said: Seems like a lot of Mayors are saying the violence is coming from out of town/state people. I don’t believe it for a second. Don't be so naive. Press conference with the Erie County DA showed the 5 of 9 arrests were out of towners. Fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engelwood Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 18 hours ago, mead107 said: Yes they are. You think there is enough paid rioters to bus rioters into every city, hell cities smaller than Buffalo like Fargo and Grand Forks North Dakota had people rioting? This is a mix of people with a lot of time on their hands, COVID lockdown, mixed with a group of people who have been marginalized and told any method they attempt to protest they are not allowed to, see NFL kneeling, and now they have had a case where it is as blatant as can be of Gross incompetence mixed with extreme racism and it has push a very large group of people over the edge. I am not condoning their actions but fully understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Engelwood said: You think there is enough paid rioters to bus rioters into every city, hell cities smaller than Buffalo like Fargo and Grand Forks North Dakota had people rioting? This is a mix of people with a lot of time on their hands, COVID lockdown, mixed with a group of people who have been marginalized and told any method they attempt to protest they are not allowed to, see NFL kneeling, and now they have had a case where it is as blatant as can be of Gross incompetence mixed with extreme racism and it has push a very large group of people over the edge. I am not condoning their actions but fully understand them. I'm not trying start a fight but a growing number of people are not buying it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Engelwood said: You think there is enough paid rioters to bus rioters into every city, hell cities smaller than Buffalo like Fargo and Grand Forks North Dakota had people rioting? This is a mix of people with a lot of time on their hands, COVID lockdown, mixed with a group of people who have been marginalized and told any method they attempt to protest they are not allowed to, see NFL kneeling, and now they have had a case where it is as blatant as can be of Gross incompetence mixed with extreme racism and it has push a very large group of people over the edge. I am not condoning their actions but fully understand them. Nothing better than a good virtue signaling meme 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: This is not what my city is about. These are not buffalonians looting and vandalizing. These are paid agitators from out of state, inciting violence and causing mayhem in my community Of course, it’s not us, it’s them. Pretty much every municipality, in every state, is claiming the same thing. Do you see a logistic problem with this? This is coordination that would make out own US military jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engelwood Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Needle said: I'm not trying start a fight but a growing number of people are not buying it. How far do they have to go till you do buy it is the real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 52 minutes ago, boater said: Don't be so naive. Press conference with the Erie County DA showed the 5 of 9 arrests were out of towners. Fact. What people say at a PC is fact nowadays? Here’s some numbers from Minneapolis: https://www.fox9.com/news/jail-records-show-most-arrested-in-minneapolis-riots-have-minnesota-addresses 3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am confused how it is political since all the problems are in liberal cities caused by liberal people and being allowed to continue because of liberal policies. There is nothing being done by conservative people that caused any of this unless you want to argue that a cop in an extremely liberal city is conservative, which is possible but not known. I simply hope these riots end quickly but the liberals are mostly in charge of that decision. I notice you did not mention Obama in 2014 with the Michael Brown situation which would obviously be a much more appropriate comparison. Trump has been better than Obama which even NPR called out for his failings and how slow he was to respond. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/08/22/341935015/obamas-reaction-to-ferguson-raises-questions-about-presidents-role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 56 minutes ago, boater said: Don't be so naive. Press conference with the Erie County DA showed the 5 of 9 arrests were out of towners. Fact. WGRZ news this AM reported that records showed all arrested in BUF last night were from WNY. Was that refuted ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: WGRZ news this AM reported that records showed all arrested in BUF last night were from WNY. Was that refuted ? Press conferences saying one thing, arrest records saying the opposite. You surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Engelwood said: How far do they have to go till you do buy it is the real question. Who are they? Police? I think I would need to see the statistics match the claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, Engelwood said: You think there is enough paid rioters to bus rioters into every city, hell cities smaller than Buffalo like Fargo and Grand Forks North Dakota had people rioting? This is a mix of people with a lot of time on their hands, COVID lockdown, mixed with a group of people who have been marginalized and told any method they attempt to protest they are not allowed to, see NFL kneeling, and now they have had a case where it is as blatant as can be of Gross incompetence mixed with extreme racism and it has push a very large group of people over the edge. I am not condoning their actions but fully understand them. When the narrative is largely false, the message gets old and tiresome. A lot of people see through it. People don’t want to see entertainers lecture them about something they have no control over. They just want to be entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I’m definitely disgusted by the death of George Floyd. This is a senseless death. Completely preventable. The problem I have is the deaths of African Americans is an everyday thing in cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Chicago. The difference is that this is gang violence. The media doesn’t report it, nor do they care. It doesn’t boost ratings or increase readership. Disgusting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: I’m definitely disgusted by the death of George Floyd. This is a senseless death. Completely preventable. The problem I have is the deaths of African Americans is an everyday thing in cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, and Chicago. The difference is that this is gang violence. The media doesn’t report it, nor do they care. It doesn’t boost ratings or increase readership. Disgusting. That’s about it. Lots of senseless , preventable deaths in America every day. No outrage. The media doesn’t stress it because it doesn’t fit their message ... “ Caucasian bad, Orange Man bad” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Well in Tampa, they indicated a curfew for 7:30pm-6:00 am. Just what we need during this pandemic. I’ve never minded peaceful assembly at all, as if they have a permit, they have freedom to protest, but not break the law. Some of these poor shop owners had their stores close and lose $ due to the quarantine, now this. As for the Trump comments, he can make speeches, but the final decisions for curfews, and cracking down on unlawful assembly is in the local and state govts., not the President. The Feds have enough influence, but there is a reason on the separation between localities, and states rights vs. federal influence. Lastly, the person who used the N word, shame on you. Is you’re vocabulary so limited you can’t refer to the rioters to more generic words like criminals, etc. Derogatory remarks shows a limited intelligence and narrow minded view. I will not remark on any replies as it is not worth my time. For the record, what that police officer did was reprehensible so I am not condoning his behavior in any way. Choking someone for over 8 minutes is terrible, and most all police departments strictly forbid choke holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Cross Klobuchar off the VP list, I guess... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/politics/klobuchar-minneapolis-george-floyd.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: people have been getting bussed from all over the country to Buffalo for this protest and riot Now, why would they do that? Seriously. Do you honestly think people from around the country are targeting Buffalo? That makes no sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Now, why would they do that? Seriously. Do you honestly think people from around the country are targeting Buffalo? That makes no sense to me. They're not targeting just Buffalo, but dozens of cities. And yes, people are being brought in to agitate. It's an old playbook. And people are seeing through it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: That’s about it. Lots of senseless , preventable deaths in America every day. No outrage. The media doesn’t stress it because it doesn’t fit their message ... “ Caucasian bad, Orange Man bad” Well, I wouldn’t absolved Caucasians completely. The majority of people of people in power in Minneapolis (you can look up their party affiliations) are white. Don’t get me wrong, their black leaders have also failed them. But, as you suggest, to blame the President is laughable. As for the media, they are corporations losing money. The younger generation don’t have cable and they get their online news from free sources like Twitter. As a result, the media has become more bombastic and controversial in an attempt to attract readership and stabilize revenues. This is very unfortunate. Edited June 1, 2020 by Saint Doug 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They're not targeting just Buffalo, but dozens of cities. And yes, people are being brought in to agitate. It's an old playbook. And people are seeing through it. OK. So, who are the people doing the organizing and paying? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am confused how it is political since all the problems are in liberal cities caused by liberal people and being allowed to continue because of liberal policies. There is nothing being done by conservative people that caused any of this unless you want to argue that a cop in an extremely liberal city is conservative, which is possible but not known. I simply hope these riots end quickly but the liberals are mostly in charge of that decision. I notice you did not mention Obama in 2014 with the Michael Brown situation which would obviously be a much more appropriate comparison. Trump has been better than Obama which even NPR called out for his failings and how slow he was to respond. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/08/22/341935015/obamas-reaction-to-ferguson-raises-questions-about-presidents-role Obama used to be the president. Trump is the president. And, frankly, trump has done a pretty crappy job in the last several months. last I checked trump is the president of the United States if america. Not of only the 47% percent of the electorate who voted for him in 2016. Not only of the ”red” states. And not only of the self-identified conservatives. He is the president of the entire country. It’s time for him to get off his hands and show a little leadership with respect to a problem that is not of his causing but that is within the ambit of his responsibility to help to resolve. Edited May 31, 2020 by SectionC3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Bad Things said: OK. So, who are the people doing the organizing and paying? Antifa has a structure, and financing. They're international and organized despite the hype. Their money comes from all sorts of enemies, foreign and domestic. And now their days are numbered. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Well, I would’ve absolved Caucasians completely. The majority of people of people in power in Minneapolis (you can look up their party affiliations) are white. Don’t get me wrong, their black leaders have also failed them. But, as you suggest, to blame the President is laughable. As for the media, they are corporations losing money. The younger generation don’t have cable and they get their online news from free sources like Twitter. As a result, the media has become more bombastic and controversial in an attempt to attract readership and stabilize revenues. This is very unfortunate. And those leaders in Minny. ( among other places) are the worst kind....buyers , and therefore peddlers of white guilt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Doug Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Antifa has a structure, and financing. They're international and organized despite the hype. Their money comes from all sorts of enemies, foreign and domestic. And now their days are numbered. China just breathed a sigh of relief upon the death of Floyd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Bad Things said: OK. So, who are the people doing the organizing and paying? Antifa which hatched from the Occupy Movement and George Soros has given a ton of money to front organizations who pay the agitators. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, Bad Things said: OK. So, who are the people doing the organizing and paying? So let me get this right. Russia can hack an entire election of 350,000,000 individual people, but some force or forces can't afford to send a few bus loads of people to the 100 largest cities to incite already agitated mass gatherings to violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 20 hours ago, Augie said: It’s a friggin’ mess in Atlanta. The murderer has been charged with murder. The other three cops need to be charged with something as well, IMO. That does not entitle anyone to loot Kroger for food or steal a big new TV. ALL the criminals need to face the music! Sorry if that’s too “real”, I’ll gladly delete. . You mean to tell me that I have completely misinterpreted the "watch a redneck cop choke out a black man, get a 55-inch flat screen free" rule? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: You mean to tell me that I have completely misinterpreted the "watch a redneck cop choke out a black man, get a 55-inch flat screen free" rule? I hate to tell you, but some interpretations of the rule say if the murderer is charged with murder, then the thief needs to be charged with theft. The vandal charged with vandalism, 100% of the time. CRAZY, I know! No TV for you! (In my best soup Nazi voice/font.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Margarita said: I was watching TV yesterday and I saw a protester with a sign which said "rioting is the language of the unheard". I thought that was profound I'd never heard it put quite that way before. Yes there are criminal elements exacerbating the situations for potential perceived political gains or losses. But ultimately the people whom are peacefully protesting in my view have legitiment beefs with the fact these kinds of scenarios happen over and over again to all races of people not just black and nothing seems to change in regarding to police brutality. and as you stated issues beyond Mr Floyds death. I concur. Ive said this issue is a human issue not solely a political one but they are intertwined. The divisiveness between the major political parties only makes finding a solution even that much harder. It's actually from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Obama used to be the president. Trump is the president. And, frankly, trump has done a pretty crappy job in the last several months. last I checked trump is the president of the United States if america. Not of only the 47% percent of the electorate who voted for him in 2016. Not only of the ”red” states. And not only of the self-identified conservatives. He is the president of the entire country. It’s time for him to get off his hands and show a little leadership with respect to a problem that is not of his causing but that is within the ambit of his responsibility to help to resolve. You are suggesting he remove the mayor and governors and declare martial law? These problems are local problems that need local solutions- if you think Trump is responsible what should he do besides tell the mayor's and governors he will send in police help if requested which he has already done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You are suggesting he remove the mayor and governors and declare martial law? These problems are local problems that need local solutions- if you think Trump is responsible what should he do besides tell the mayor's and governors he will send in police help if requested which he has already done Nope. I think he should get on TV, address the nation, and try to salve the wound. I realize that he’s incapable but he has to at least try. Get on the phone with black leaders and try to steer the protests to stop the violence. Go visit Minnesota and look like you give a crap about what’s going on. The nation is like, you know, burning, and the leader of the nation is doing not a freaking thing about it. 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Antifa which hatched from the Occupy Movement and George Soros has given a ton of money to front organizations who pay the agitators. Hoax until proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 22 hours ago, Bangarang said: Seems like a lot of Mayors are saying the violence is coming from out of town/state people. I don’t believe it for a second. I'm in Geneva NY, and alot of the protest that took place in Rochester last night is coming down to Geneva today. I locked up my restaurant and it's fingers crossed at this point. But I saw a LOT of out of state license plates when I left (that was about 7pm). Hoping when I get there tomorrow it's not trashed ? Sad thing is I support the protests and my restaurant (like many) is in a very very precarious position. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Nope. I think he should get on TV, address the nation, and try to salve the wound. I realize that he’s incapable but he has to at least try. Get on the phone with black leaders and try to steer the protests to stop the violence. Go visit Minnesota and look like you give a crap about what’s going on. The nation is like, you know, burning, and the leader of the nation is doing not a freaking thing about it. You pretend that the Chicago mayor has not literally proudly told Trump to F U and the rest of the mayor of these cities have said almost as bad. Also why do you think any of these rioters would care what he said? These people believe that two wrongs make a right. But you are proving my point- liberals expect more of conservative people then they do of liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You pretend that the Chicago mayor has not literally proudly told Trump to F U and the rest of the mayor of these cities have said almost as bad. Also why do you think any of these rioters would care what he said? These people believe that two wrongs make a right. But you are proving my point- liberals expect more of conservative people then they do of liberals. I expect everyone to follow the law and do their job. Including our loser president. 10 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: I'm in Geneva NY, and alot of the protest that took place in Rochester last night is coming down to Geneva today. I locked up my restaurant and it's fingers crossed at this point. But I saw a LOT of out of state license plates when I left (that was about 7pm). Hoping when I get there tomorrow it's not trashed ? Sad thing is I support the protests and my restaurant (like many) is in a very very precarious position. I’m with you. I support the protests. I detest the antagonists and the looters. I hope you are well when you awake tomorrow. Edited June 1, 2020 by SectionC3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Capco said: It's actually from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Thank you for pointing that out I had no idea. Profound words spoken by a great man, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 15 hours ago, Don Otreply said: The other three cops helped murder an unarmed American citizen and should be charged as such, we as a society need to hold the perpetrators of crimes responsible regardless if they happen to be the police or not, police killing unarmed citizens has to stop or our country is no better than any other tin horn dictatorship that murders their citizens. Enough already America! Much bigger problems out there. It doesn’t happen all that often , and it mostly happens to white people. Don’t remember any violent protests or media campaigns about those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You pretend that the Chicago mayor has not literally proudly told Trump to F U and the rest of the mayor of these cities have said almost as bad. Also why do you think any of these rioters would care what he said? These people believe that two wrongs make a right. But you are proving my point- liberals expect more of conservative people then they do of liberals. Big tough guy president gets spoken to the wrong way and hides in the White House doing nothing. Pathetic. You’re right; the rioters might not care. But the protestors might. They should be acknowledged. And if they are assuaged, guess what? Fewer protests and fewer opportunities to pervert the protests for the purpose of rioting and looting. We are better than all of this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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