Poll - Who Should the Bills take with their 2nd pick (For TSW Mock Draft)

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

Diggs and Brown outside, Beasley and Claypool running from the slot, occasionally swap Diggs or Brown and Claypool, and then Knox at TE in 4 WR sets? This O would be unstoppable Virgil. Who are you going to double cover? How are you gonna scheme to stop all of these guys? It would be a constant nightmare for opposing defenses and DC's, especially if Josh is making the correct hot reads more consistently this year.  

Edited April 6, 2020 by H2o

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

I think Claypool is a bit of a hybrid. Teams asked him to do TE drills at the combine. He’s more of a “weapon” type that will primarily play in the red zone early in his career. He’s really gifted physically.  I’m not opposed to the pick if they have him as BPA. The Bills said that they wanted more “TD makers” and so far have just added Diggs (which is HUGE).  They really are in position to go a variety of ways. 

[Lurker]

17 minutes ago, H2o said:

 with Singletary being recognized as the more agile of the two and CEH running with a bit more power.  

 

CEH is a better athlete than Singletary and a more natural receiver.

 

                                   Singletary           CEH

 

40-Yard                           4.66                4.60

Vertical Leap                 35.0"               39.9"

Broad Jump                   117"                123"

Bench Press                   15                    15

 

Hand Size                     8.50"               9.63"

 

 

 

[DCOrange]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

I'm totally fine with it if a guy like Pittman, Reagor, Higgins, Shenault, Aiyuk, etc. slide to 54. I view Claypool as like a 3rd or 4th round prospect though so I'm not really in favor of this one. Being optimistic though, he gives us a combination of size and athleticism that we don't currently have in the WR corps so he could end up having a role early on if he develops nicely.

[yungmack]

My bet? They wind up with none of them.

[H2o]

19 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

CEH is a better athlete than Singletary and a more natural receiver.

 

                                   Singletary           CEH

 

40-Yard                           4.66                4.60

Vertical Leap                 35.0"               39.9"

Broad Jump                   117"                123"

Bench Press                   15                    15

 

Hand Size                     8.50"               9.63"

 

 

 

Probably so as far as being the better receiver out of the backfield, but they are still very similar RB's when you compare the two overall. It's like the same guy with one having better hands and one being more agile than the other. 

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

I voted for Claypool because there aren’t any OL on the list, nor is my guy Antonio Gibson.
 

i don’t really view claypool as a WR, but a versatile weapon that can line up all over and is effective as a big red zone target, a blocker and as a ST player.  Not much not to like when fitting him into this Bills team.  He really fits a lot of spots.  

[turftoe]

30 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

He would add a dimension that we dont currently have. He could be a great TE to pair with Knox or a great red zone WR. He is a special teams demon so he would also contribute that way. I think a good #2 RB will be there next round. I dont think Claypool gets past Indy at 44 unless they take a WR at 34. He played in their backyard and they have heavily scouted him. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I'm totally fine with it if a guy like Pittman, Reagor, Higgins, Shenault, Aiyuk, etc. slide to 54. I view Claypool as like a 3rd or 4th round prospect though so I'm not really in favor of this one. Being optimistic though, he gives us a combination of size and athleticism that we don't currently have in the WR corps so he could end up having a role early on if he develops nicely.

 

I think Claypool is a 3rd rounder too. I think he is a slot receiver who runs seam routes. Basically what Jimmy Graham was for the Saints. He was never really a tight end. He played in the slot but rain almost exclusively seam routes until the redzone where he ran the odd corner route.

 

I would not hate any of the receivers you list at #54 though I wouldn't describe either Pittman or Shenault as sliding there. That is pretty much around where I value them. Reagor, Higgins and Aiyuk I think would be slides and all, IMO, will be gone.

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

 It's like the same guy with one having better hands and one being more agile than the other. 

 

I'm not sure why that's a problem.   If both guys are equally effective, that's one hell of a backfield.   

 

The whole concept of a 'thunder and lightning' tandem (two different skill sets) seems old school to me in a pass-happy NFL.   Having RB1 and RB2 that can run AND play a large role in the passing game is where the game's headed , IMO.     

 

RB3 can be a pile driver, short yardage specialist.   Those guys are easy to find...     

[Rocky Landing]

From this list, I guess I would take Terrell Lewis. 

But, I believe that it is more likely than not that we trade up. I also believe we draft BPA for RB, LB, Edge, S, OT, DL, maybe WR, or CB. And, I don't share the common opinion that good RBs are a dime a dozen.

[Logic]

This is insane. Instead of taking a stud running back — RB2 is currently TJ freaking Yeldon — or an athletic young pass rusher or a playmaking TE to pair with Knox or even a young CB2 candidate...the leading vote getter is a WR?!

 

Madness. 

 

For all the 21 and 11 personnel this team is gonna be running, we’re taking a WR4 with our highest draft pick?! Glad TSW won’t be making the call in real life.

[DJB]

If we draft CEH or Akers both will surpass Singletary as the starter. 

 

Akers is a much better runner inside and can catch. CEH is the much better receiver over Singletary and can also run inside

 

I'd love either one at 54

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is insane. Instead of taking a stud running back — RB2 is currently TJ freaking Yeldon — or an athletic young pass rusher or a playmaking TE to pair with Knox or even a young CB2 candidate...the leading vote getter is a WR?!

 

Madness. 

 

For all the 21 and 11 personnel this team is gonna be running, we’re taking a WR4 with our highest draft pick?! Glad TSW won’t be making the call in real life.

 

Beasely and Brown are very cut-able after this season, and would save the team a lot of cap space to be used elsewhere. WRs usually need a year to develop. This would set us up for the future.

 

I voted RB, but just sayin...

[Virgil]

Claypool is the pick. 

 

Thank you everyone

[Logic]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Beasely and Brown are very cut-able after this season, and would save the team a lot of cap space to be used elsewhere. WRs usually need a year to develop. This would set us up for the future.

 

I voted RB, but just sayin...

 

Still a yuck for me.

 

For the reasons you mentioned, I’m all for the Bills taking a WR (or 2!) in this draft. But because of the deep crop of WRs, they can do it in the 3rd-6th rounds. No need to spend such a premium pick on a WR when it’s the deepest position in the draft.

 

Besides, let’s suppose the Bills hadn’t traded for Diggs and had instead used pick 22 to take a rookie WR. In that scenario, would people still want the Bills to then turn around and spend their 2nd round pick on a WR, too? It’s nuts. Bills fans just have hard-ons for height/weight/speed WR candidates, which was exacerbated by the success of DK Metcalf last year. It’s silly.

[Freddie's Dead]

13 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Claypool is the pick. 

 

Thank you everyone

 

Freakin' Whaley.

[maryland-bills-fan]

10 minutes ago, H2o said:

Diggs and Brown outside, Beasley and Claypool running from the slot, occasionally swap Diggs or Brown and Claypool, and then Knox at TE in 4 WR sets? This O would be unstoppable Virgil. Who are you going to double cover? How are you gonna scheme to stop all of these guys? It would be a constant nightmare for opposing defenses and DC's, especially if Josh is making the correct hot reads more consistently this year.  

Imagine if we ALSO had a running back who was a good receiver, something like that T .Thomas guy.  Somebody that got like 55 catches in his senior year of college. 

[H2o]

Just now, maryland-bills-fan said:

Imagine if we ALSO had a running back who was a good receiver, something like that T .Thomas guy.  Somebody that got like 55 catches in his senior year of college. 

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

[maryland-bills-fan]

38 minutes ago, turftoe said:

He would add a dimension that we dont currently have. He could be a great TE to pair with Knox or a great red zone WR. He is a special teams demon so he would also contribute that way. I think a good #2 RB will be there next round. I dont think Claypool gets past Indy at 44 unless they take a WR at 34. He played in their backyard and they have heavily scouted him. 

I would think that a guy at #54 would be the RB1A back, not the alternate guy.

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

Maybe not a TT the second, but somebody who would get more than 194 yards in a season-  maybe 500-700 and who would be a threat in the passing game. That would also help the passing game for the wide outs.  Why would anyone want to NOT use those parts of the playbook?

[Lazy]

Just wanted to say I love these drafts.

Thanks Virgil and who ever else is involved.

Smart reasoning and good discussion.

Do we have any past ones to compare how you guys/girls do with the real draft?

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is insane. Instead of taking a stud running back — RB2 is currently TJ freaking Yeldon — or an athletic young pass rusher or a playmaking TE to pair with Knox or even a young CB2 candidate...the leading vote getter is a WR?!

 

Madness. 

 

For all the 21 and 11 personnel this team is gonna be running, we’re taking a WR4 with our highest draft pick?! Glad TSW won’t be making the call in real life.

I didn't vote for Claypool and don't really think he's worth the pick here, but to be fair, I'm not sure any of the pass rushers or TEs available are good enough prospects to warrant the pick either. I do think a corner, safety, or RB probably should have been the pick in this scenario.

[DrDawkinstein]

18 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Still a yuck for me.

 

For the reasons you mentioned, I’m all for the Bills taking a WR (or 2!) in this draft. But because of the deep crop of WRs, they can do it in the 3rd-6th rounds. No need to spend such a premium pick on a WR when it’s the deepest position in the draft.

 

Besides, let’s suppose the Bills hadn’t traded for Diggs and had instead used pick 22 to take a rookie WR. In that scenario, would people still want the Bills to then turn around and spend their 2nd round pick on a WR, too? It’s nuts. Bills fans just have hard-ons for height/weight/speed WR candidates, which was exacerbated by the success of DK Metcalf last year. It’s silly.

 

The way Beane has the team setup right now, I'm fine with BPA regardless of the position. Whether that's a RB, WR, Safety, CB, or even Kicker. I dont really have a positional preference at 54 or 86.

 

Tough to compare the Diggs acquisition to a rookie there. But if we didnt pull off the trade, and didnt sign any FAs, I wouldnt be jumping off the roof if Beane went WR 1 and 2. Again, not a lot of glaring needs to make me worry.

 

I think the love of measurables was pretty well supported last year when there were a handful of times our Smurfs couldnt get open, or couldnt make a play on a well-thrown ball, because of their stature. The Baltimore game for certain. Good chance we tie it up on that pass that Brown got out-muscled on.

 

I'm not pounding the table on any of this, just playing devils advocate, and saying dont get too upset with however they go. We're finally back in a spot where us fans can sit back and just enjoy the ride and let Beane drive. Should be fun to see play out.

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

 

Why not?   Thurman wasn't that big a part of the passing game at Oklahoma State, but we saw how he made the offense hum when he was a Bill.    That kind of passing game production is easily projected on CEH...

 

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Oklahoma State					956	4847	5.1	43	84	598	7.1	2	1040	5445	5.2	45
*1984	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	12	205	843	4.1	7	22	122	5.5	0	227	965	4.3	7
*1985	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	12	327	1650	5.0	15	25	142	5.7	1	352	1792	5.1	16
1986	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	11	173	741	4.3	4	18	150	8.3	1	191	891	4.7	5
1987	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	11	251	1613	6.4	17	19	184	9.7	0	270	1797	6.7	17

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Lurker

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

Was Thurman a short, slow midget ?

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

Because Beasley & Brown are in their 30's and only signed for 2 more seasons.

 

This is a rich WR class, and we should take advantage of that, so that we can get the best product on the field.

 

The Bills can have better players than Foster, Williams, McKenzie & Roberts, who could step in and eventually replace Beasley & Brown.

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

 

I bet you're on your knees about now, begging for your life....

[Rico]

I'm sure someone has noted this somewhere else on this board, but Cole Kmet's dad Frank (from Purdue) was the 4th-round pick of the Bills in 1992.

[maryland-bills-fan]

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

Claypool is the pick. 

 

Thank you everyone

Sorry, but you biased the results by waiting until you got a certain result and then stopped.  The WR won by 6% when you stopped. RB's actually won, 31 % to 28%.  There were 3 RB options and only one WR option.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[Virgil]

3 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Sorry, but you biased the results by waiting until you got a certain result and then stopped.  The WR won by 6% when you stopped. RB's actually won, 31 % to 28%.  There were 3 RB options and only one WR option.

 

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

[Hardhatharry]

I knew people would panic and pick RB.

[maryland-bills-fan]

20 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

I knew people would panic and pick RB.

Not how things happen.  People panic and "it is a wonderful draft for WR and we don't want to get left out.  Draft SOMEBODY"!!!

 

31 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

Well, when you run a poll or an election, you can influence the results by splitting the vote.   In political elections, 2, 3 or 4 "third party candidates" can suck votes out of a candidate and throw the election to the guy from the other side.  I think the Bills might have several good RB candidates to chose from at #54 or a mild trade up from there.  To me, that means they can selected the best "flavor" for their needs (they know better than me).

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Not how things happen.  People panic and "it is a wonderful draft for WR and we don't want to get left out.  Draft SOMEBODY"!!!

 

Well, when you run a poll or an election, you can influence the results by splitting the vote.   In political elections, 2, 3 or 4 "third party candidates" can suck votes out of a candidate and throw the election to the guy from the other side.  I think the Bills might have several good RB candidates to chose from at #54 or a mild trade up from there.  To me, that means they can selected the best "flavor" for their needs (they know better than me).

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

[Prospector]

38 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

I think the only logically fair option is to have the top 2 or 3 do a final poll

[maryland-bills-fan]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

This stuff is complicated.  We are all just stumbling along

 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, WorstTEever81 said:

I think the only logically fair option is to have the top 2 or 3 do a final poll

 

The only huh?

 

This is the closest vote we've had in the 3 years of doing this with multiple drafts each year.  I'm also trying to get these done in a reasonable time to where we can get our final one in. 

End of the day, it provides the context that there's a decent split in wanting a WR or a RB.  That's the ultimate point

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I just gave CEH his 22nd vote.  Question:  If we take a RB at #2 in this mock, do some people's heads still explode?  That should be reserved for the if the Bills do it I would think.  Just wondering.

Not at all. If by some miracle Taylor or Dobbins fall to 54 you take them. I'm still convinced the RB carries will be split 50/50. If they're both gone go get Claypool. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

 

That is obvious Virgil..... you had a guy on the initial poll that you had selected on my behalf moment before 

[billsfan_34]

I went Clyde Edwards but if Jonathon Taylor was an option I most likely would have selected him.

[The Jokeman]

I'm a Cam Akers fan at #54. As think he has the extra gear Devin lacks and a more proven receiver out of the backfield. At best seem he starting ahead of Devin, at worst he replaced Devin on 3rd downs.