Rosenthal: True QB value rankings from 1-35

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, chris heff said:

I get that part, ranking your own players or players you’re looking to sign sure, but making a list of every starting QB? 

I don’t think the guy you’re responding to literally meant that each GM has their own list of all 1000 or whatever NFL players. I think his point was simply that merging player ability and contract value is something that every GM does and that is what the author of the article is attempting to do. 

[ProcessAccepted]

17 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

10 for me, but I don't mind this. Love being the under-the-radar underdogs.

Especially when you see who he has at 10 and the logic used. I've long since reach the point where I don't care what these guys think. Most don't even watch all the games they just parrot the current narratives.

 

[MJS]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watch the film. Daboll isn't an issue. Anyone that studies the Bills offense knows that. Daboll allows Allen freedom to be a QB. Maybe that's what people want, Daboll to limit Allen instead.

No, I don't believe that you or I are qualified to make that analysis.

[Rigotz]

20 hours ago, GreggTX said:

23rd sounds about right. His inaccuracy, fumbling, inability to handle pressure, etc always get a free pass from his admirers. I'm just hoping he can get it together finally in 2020.

 

See... this is why we can't have nice things.

Some people are so damaged from our past regimes, they can't see a good thing even when it hits them right in the face. 

[Rigotz]

Here's the real joke. It's supposed to be about future value and "who you would want at current age, value, etc."

 

This loser is saying that he would rather have Tom Brady on his team than:

-Sam Darnold

-Josh Allen

-Daniel Jones

-Gardner Minshew

-Drew Lock

 

So, rather than a top prospect with future upside, you'd rather have a 42 year old Dinosaur on a huge contract?

Oh, maybe your argument is that Tom Brady is much better RIGHT NOW than Allen?

 

Nope, last season:

Brady: 60.8 completion %, 24 TD, 8 INT (plus 3 rushing TD's)
Allen: 58.8 completion %, 20 TD, 9 INT (plus 9 rushing TD's)

 

Add in the fact that Allen is literally 19 years younger than Brady, has a $5M cap hit vs a $25M cap hit per year for the next two years.

You could say this about any of the guys above, not just Allen... they should all be ranked above Brady. The bias is unbelievable.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

No, I don't believe that you or I are qualified to make that analysis.

Who is? Yet you blame Daboll without knowing playcalls as well. Many people study the Bills offense and don't come away thinking Daboll is a problem.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[MJS]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Who is? Yet you blame Daboll without knowing playcalls as well. Many people study the Bills offense and don't come away thinking Daboll is a problem.

Did I blame Daboll? I suggest going back and reading my post.

[Yav]

17 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Lolololol. Mahomes isn’t a top 10 qb? 
 

I seem to remember you being obnoxious about him since he came into the scene. this takes it to a whole other level though. 
 

also he, erased a 10 of deficit in the 4th quarter of the biggest game while producing 300+ total yds and 3 total td. 
 

I hope you are joking or just saying things for shock value because, if not, that is a startlingly stupid take on mahomes.  

First off, opinions can not be wrong. 
Second, I don’t like Mahomes, can’t stand him, I’m also over hearing Bills fans cry about not drafting him. 
 

As for top ten, I wouldn’t take him I’ve Rodgers, Breese, Rivers or Brady. Rivers has continued to do more with less than anyone else and Drew continues to be the best QB in the league year in and year out. 
 

Watch some KC games, Mahomes continues to under throw Hill who makes a great adjustment to the ball. Again throwing to the best skill players in the game can make most QBs look good. 

[Shaw66]

If you're a GM, and your objective is to have the most success of any team over the next ten seasons, and if there's a draft where you can take any QB that's left on the board, I think there is no way Allen lasts past #10.   Someone is taking him.  

 

Who's ahead of him?   Mahomes, Watson.   Russell Wilson.   Maybe Grappolo.. Not Goff, bit Winston.  Maybe Wentz.  I wouldn't take Lamar Jackson, but that's me.  I wouldn't take Wentz.  Not Prescott.   

 

Someone takes Allen in the top 10, because of his upside.  

[Stank_Nasty]

40 minutes ago, Yav said:

First off, opinions can not be wrong. 
Second, I don’t like Mahomes, can’t stand him, I’m also over hearing Bills fans cry about not drafting him. 
 

As for top ten, I wouldn’t take him I’ve Rodgers, Breese, Rivers or Brady. Rivers has continued to do more with less than anyone else and Drew continues to be the best QB in the league year in and year out. 
 

Watch some KC games, Mahomes continues to under throw Hill who makes a great adjustment to the ball. Again throwing to the best skill players in the game can make most QBs look good. 

I think maybe you need to watch some chargers games instead of the chiefs. Rivers has weapons all over. Allen, williams, Henry, ekler, gordon. That’s an embarrassment of riches. Let’s not pretend mahomes is the only qb to ever have a great cast of players. 
 

also opinions may not be able to be wrong but they can be extremely ill informed and foolish. Saying mahomes isn’t top ten, or even top 5, is just that. It’s a really really silly thing to say. 
 

and I’ll end with saying I Love our guy at qb. I can also acknowledge how good others are. And I don’t see any real reason to not like the guy. He’s been a really good pro and a solid citizen from what I’ve seen... again, you’re just way over the top with this. It’s clear you can’t think clearly when you talk about mahomes. Any rational thought process wouldn’t produce your “opinions” 

[transplantbillsfan]

What a joke.

 

Allen is lower than Darnold and friggin Gardner Minshew????

 

pffft

[Charles Romes]

I think JA is inherently underrated.  Yes he misses too many open plays.  What people don’t calculate is he creates several times the average number open plays due to his prodigious arm strength, running ability, and escapability. 

[Yav]

42 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think maybe you need to watch some chargers games instead of the chiefs. Rivers has weapons all over. Allen, williams, Henry, ekler, gordon. That’s an embarrassment of riches. Let’s not pretend mahomes is the only qb to ever have a great cast of players. 
 

also opinions may not be able to be wrong but they can be extremely ill informed and foolish. Saying mahomes isn’t top ten, or even top 5, is just that. It’s a really really silly thing to say. 
 

and I’ll end with saying I Love our guy at qb. I can also acknowledge how good others are. And I don’t see any real reason to not like the guy. He’s been a really good pro and a solid citizen from what I’ve seen... again, you’re just way over the top with this. It’s clear you can’t think clearly when you talk about mahomes. Any rational thought process wouldn’t produce your “opinions” 

You have proven that with your ill advised opinion. 
 

good day

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Yav said:

First off, opinions can not be wrong. 
Second, I don’t like Mahomes, can’t stand him, I’m also over hearing Bills fans cry about not drafting him. 
 

As for top ten, I wouldn’t take him I’ve Rodgers, Breese, Rivers or Brady. Rivers has continued to do more with less than anyone else and Drew continues to be the best QB in the league year in and year out. 
 

Watch some KC games, Mahomes continues to under throw Hill who makes a great adjustment to the ball. Again throwing to the best skill players in the game can make most QBs look good. 

So this guy likes Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Rivers, hates Mahomes, and doesn’t even mention Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, or Deshaun Watson.  I wonder if one could find a pattern here...

[Yav]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

So this guy likes Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Rivers, hates Mahomes, and doesn’t even mention Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, or Deshaun Watson.  I wonder if one could find a pattern here...

Reach much? 
has nothing to do with color. Don’t like Mahomes or Jackson 

[JESSEFEFFER]

21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's not that simple. He had an incredibly easy schedule last year. It's very similar to Mitchell Tribisky's 2018. The biggest difference between the two is the Bills offense continues to add while the Bears stopped. Bears added a lot on offense entering Tribisky's 2nd season. Allen Robinson and Trey Burton in free agency. OL James Daniels and WR Anthony Miller in the 2nd round. Then in 2019 they were pretty stuck because of the Mack trade.

 

Last year the Bills added 4 new starting OL, 2 new starting WRs. A good rookie RB. An athletic rookie TE. This year they've added a  #1 WR and another possible starting OL to the mix. They will likely be adding more before the end of the month.

 

So the Bills are doing more to help Allen. Allen has everything a young QB could want. Stable coaching, consistent OL, great defense, great WR's, athletic TES, and a good running game.

The Bills faced tougher defenses last year than offenses.  8 games against top 13 in DVOA defense.  Seems rather balanced.

[Billl]

3 hours ago, Yav said:

Reach much? 
has nothing to do with color. Don’t like Mahomes or Jackson 

If Josh was traded for Mahomes straight up, Buffalo would immediately become Super Bowl favorites.

[Billl]

15 hours ago, Yav said:

Reach much? 
has nothing to do with color. Don’t like Mahomes or Jackson 

Big Kyler Murray fan are ya?

[Yav]

On 4/5/2020 at 8:10 AM, Billl said:

Big Kyler Murray fan are ya?

Actually have his jerseys and attend Cards games. 
sorry that some of you are too ignorant to understand that it’s possible to not like a player and not have that based on skin color.

[whatdrought]

15 minutes ago, Yav said:

Actually have his jerseys and attend Cards games. 
sorry that some of you are too ignorant to understand that it’s possible to not like a player and not have that based on skin color.

 

I agree with you and I hate people always playing the race card... That being said, not thinking Mahomes is good is a bad take.

 

[Putin]

On 4/3/2020 at 3:34 PM, GreggTX said:

23rd sounds about right. His inaccuracy, fumbling, inability to handle pressure, etc always get a free pass from his admirers. I'm just hoping he can get it together finally in 2020.

Allen has heart , leadership , and he’s a fighter how many of the ones ahead of him got that ??? 
 

[Yav]

50 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I agree with you and I hate people always playing the race card... That being said, not thinking Mahomes is good is a bad take.

 

I just don’t like him. He continues to under throw Hill and Hill adjusts and makes great catches. Sure he won the SB but wasn’t the MVP, sorry I’m just not that impressed. I would take Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers and Wilson over him. He’s not in the top 5. I also like Watson over him.

[FLFan]

Any ranking that has Gardner Minshew ahead of Allen, in fact not in the bottom feeder category, is mortally flawed from the jump.  What an idiot.  

[BigBillsFan]

I think the article was pretty accurate. Until Josh has one of "those games" that just WOW you as a QB, and I mean the whole game, then he's a good fit at 23. You can argue all of the guys above had one of those except Minshew. Allen's best game against Dallas is better than Minshew's best, not merely in yards which Minshew has the advantage, but in field generalship.

 

I mean he's fairly realistic in saying he wants to be proven wrong and get a L, so look he's not saying "no" he's saying wait and see. How is that unreasonable?

[racketmaster]

I’m surprised he even put Allen just ahead of Haskins lol.  List is such a joke with Mayfield at 10. 

[eball]

On 4/3/2020 at 4:34 PM, GreggTX said:

23rd sounds about right. His inaccuracy, fumbling, inability to handle pressure, etc always get a free pass from his admirers. I'm just hoping he can get it together finally in 2020.

 

 the takes you put out there are something else.  When I read one of your posts it reminds me of the Seinfeld episode in which George tries to do everything the opposite.

[billrooter]

On 4/3/2020 at 4:34 PM, GreggTX said:

23rd sounds about right. His inaccuracy, fumbling, inability to handle pressure, etc always get a free pass from his admirers. I'm just hoping he can get it together finally in 2020.

   8 game winning drives in two years does sound kind of clutch doesn't it though, or better yet 8 game winning drives in 27 starts? Just curious to this point, how Darnold and Mayfield (after last year) can be rated higher than him, you have to figure in rushing to the equation as well hell they did with Lamar I am sure.

15 hours ago, Yav said:

I just don’t like him. He continues to under throw Hill and Hill adjusts and makes great catches. Sure he won the SB but wasn’t the MVP, sorry I’m just not that impressed. I would take Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers and Wilson over him. He’s not in the top 5. I also like Watson over him.

  This is going to be an awful interesting season if you would take a depleted 43 year old Brady over Mahomes, wow are you smoking crack?

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

I think the article was pretty accurate. Until Josh has one of "those games" that just WOW you as a QB, and I mean the whole game, then he's a good fit at 23. You can argue all of the guys above had one of those except Minshew. Allen's best game against Dallas is better than Minshew's best, not merely in yards which Minshew has the advantage, but in field generalship.

 

I mean he's fairly realistic in saying he wants to be proven wrong and get a L, so look he's not saying "no" he's saying wait and see. How is that unreasonable?

 

You mean like beating Dallas on Thanksgiving or topping the Steelers on the road on national TV to clinch a playoff berth? Yeah, I'd love to see that.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, billrooter said:

   8 game winning drives in two years does sound kind of clutch doesn't it though, or better yet 8 game winning drives in 27 starts? Just curious to this point, how Darnold and Mayfield (after last year) can be rated higher than him, you have to figure in rushing to the equation as well hell they did with Lamar I am sure.

  This is going to be an awful interesting season if you would take a depleted 43 year old Brady over Mahomes, wow are you smoking crack?

Mark Sanchez had 9 game winning drives in a 2 year period.  Without context, the stat kinda sucks. Qbs that play on teams with really good defenses have more a chance for GWDs.  It could be argued with more consistent offense and our easy schedule, there were a bunch of games that could have been over before the 4th quarter.  
 

and Jackson has 16 more passing tds than Allen.

[Yav]

5 minutes ago, billrooter said:

   8 game winning drives in two years does sound kind of clutch doesn't it though, or better yet 8 game winning drives in 27 starts? Just curious to this point, how Darnold and Mayfield (after last year) can be rated higher than him, you have to figure in rushing to the equation as well hell they did with Lamar I am sure.

  This is going to be an awful interesting season if you would take a depleted 43 year old Brady over Mahomes, wow are you smoking crack?

Some of you are just ridiculous. OMG I don't agree with you and don't like a QB ... someone should call me names and assume I'm as messed up as them and do drugs. 

Dude get over yourself. You're not the end all be all. I lived in KC for 12 years, I've seen Majokes play he under throws Hill, I'm entitled to my own opinion as not sure how it would be an interesting season based on me not putting the joke in my top 5 or 6. 

[Bangarang]

15 hours ago, Putin said:

Allen has heart , leadership , and he’s a fighter how many of the ones ahead of him got that ??? 
 

Tim Tebow approves of this message. ?
 

And to answer your question, I’d imagine all of them. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You mean like beating Dallas on Thanksgiving or topping the Steelers on the road on national TV to clinch a playoff berth? Yeah, I'd love to see that.

139 yards passing with 1 td and 1 int is a wow game?  We won that game because of our defense and Duck throwing ducks (?).  
 

physical talent, he’s top 10 without a doubt.  But in terms of production, he’s kinda where he should be.  He is a game manager who is capable of explosive plays.  Next step is being maddeningly consistent.  He’s got a bunch of weapons now so it will be cool to see if he gets there.

12 minutes ago, Yav said:

Some of you are just ridiculous. OMG I don't agree with you and don't like a QB ... someone should call me names and assume I'm as messed up as them and do drugs. 

Dude get over yourself. You're not the end all be all. I lived in KC for 12 years, I've seen Majokes play he under throws Hill, I'm entitled to my own opinion as not sure how it would be an interesting season based on me not putting the joke in my top 5 or 6. 

With all due respect, this is a very hot, skip bayless type take.  “How many Super Bowls has Pat Mahomes won? Just 1?  And he’s been in the league 3 years?  I rest my case.  Overrated!!!”

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Tim Tebow approves of this message. ?
 

And to answer your question, I’d imagine all of them. 

Josh Allen is the only qb in the nfl that works hard and cares about winning.  Facts.  

[C.Biscuit97]

15 hours ago, FLFan said:

Any ranking that has Gardner Minshew ahead of Allen, in fact not in the bottom feeder category, is mortally flawed from the jump.  What an idiot.  

I don’t think you can really argue that Minshew is a better pure passer than Allen and the Jags aren’t exactly loaded at receiver.  Now the question is whether Minshew is at his ceiling and what will ceiling Allen has.  
 

I didn’t expect Minshew to translate this well at all to the nfl.  Thought he was a product of a gimmick system.  But if we had Minshew with how he played last year, we would have made the playoffs with him too.  I think that’s what some fans are missing out on.  A lot of Starting level Qbs could have taken us to the playoffs last year.  Our defense was so good that our offense didn’t have to be anything special.  

[BigBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You mean like beating Dallas on Thanksgiving or topping the Steelers on the road on national TV to clinch a playoff berth? Yeah, I'd love to see that.

 

He played an excellent game in Dallas, his best as a complete QB, but are you serious with the Steelers? He was horrible. He battled a scrub QB and they both couldn't score and he looked horrible. What part of the Pittsburgh screamed top 20 let alone top 10?

[billrooter]

15 minutes ago, Yav said:

Some of you are just ridiculous. OMG I don't agree with you and don't like a QB ... someone should call me names and assume I'm as messed up as them and do drugs. 

Dude get over yourself. You're not the end all be all. I lived in KC for 12 years, I've seen Majokes play he under throws Hill, I'm entitled to my own opinion as not sure how it would be an interesting season based on me not putting the joke in my top 5 or 6. 

Wow, first up I said what are you smoking crack (was trying to be funny) never called you a crackhead though. You lived in KC for 12 years, so whats your point Mahomes career stats 65.9 career completion percentage 76 tds and 18 interceptions and 9,412 yards, sorry he doesn't pass your genius eye test.

[Don Otreply]

On 4/3/2020 at 3:55 PM, whatdrought said:

Rosenthal is a Patriots fan who is very anti Bills. He’s also kinda an arrogant D-bag.

This is true, some here appear to worship an organization that regularly flouts the concept of sportsmanship and agree that constantly be caught cheating is acceptable behavior, and ya know, that says a lot about those types of people.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This is true, some here appear to worship an organization that regularly flouts the concept of sportsmanship and agree that constantly be caught cheating is acceptable behavior, and ya know, that says a lot about those types of people.

Wait a second.  Some media members are biased towards a team that has been to 9 SBs in 20 years?  What a bunch of idiots.  

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wait a second.  Some media members are biased towards a team that has been to 9 SBs in 20 years?  What a bunch of idiots.  

That as you well know is not the point. You can do far better, clever of up to ignore the body of the post, or is it to near a nerve??? ?

[Bangarang]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh Allen is the only qb in the nfl that works hard and cares about winning.  Facts.  

Honestly, I’m so tired of hearing about how our QBs are hard working or good people.
 

The only thing that matters to me is how good they are on Sundays. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

That as you well know is not the point. You can do far better, clever of up to ignore the body of the post, or is it to near a nerve??? ?

If we were the Pats, our board would look exactly like a Pats board where we defended everything our team did and say it was fake news! And everyone is just jealous of us.  Sad but true!

Just now, Bangarang said:

Honestly, I’m so tired of hearing about how our QBs are hard working or good people.
 

The only thing that matters to me is how good they are on Sundays. 

But did you see how clean JP Losman made Buffalo that one time!  
 

and who is the last crappy, not hard working qb the Bills has? Billy Joe? RJ? That coward Kyle Orton?  Most of our guys are good dudes who work hard.