Want a WR in the 4th/5th round range?

[njbuff]

Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon State 6'4" 210, 2020 playing age: 22

 

Watch the catch at 5:01.

 

 

 

 

[FAN_SINCE_62]

Hopefully he can play like that in the NFL. If he can could be a good pick up in those rounds.

[Lurker]

Yes, he would be perfect in that 4th or 5th round range.     

 

 

https://www.dynastyfootballdigest.com/nfl-draft/can-isaiah-hodgins-be-the-best-wide-receiver-prospect/

 

 

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

Tyler Johnson or Quintez Cephus are the 2 I love in that range. Johnson is so reliable and underrated and Cephus reminds me of Hines Ward with no fear across the middle and plays like he’s 6’5” 

[Mat68]

If we are looking at mid rd guys I would be more interested in Bowden from Kentucky, or Jefferson from UF.  A gadget guy day 3 could really help the offense.  I also be willing to take a guy coming off injury.  In the redzone I like Diggs, Beasley, or Browns chances at getting open vs a tall guy trying to bring in 50/50 ball.  In the modern game 50/50 fade routes are low %.

[NeverOutNick]

That was a sweet catch by Hodgins

[ExWNYer]

5 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

If we are looking at mid rd guys I would be more interested in Bowden from Kentucky, or Jefferson from UF.  A gadget guy day 3 could really help the offense.  I also be willing to take a guy coming off injury.  In the redzone I like Diggs, Beasley, or Browns chances at getting open vs a tall guy trying to bring in 50/50 ball.  In the modern game 50/50 fade routes are low %.

 

They got their 'gadget guy' when they re-signed Isaiah McKenzie.

[CEN-CAL17]

7 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

They got their 'gadget guy' when they re-signed Isaiah McKenzie.

For 1 year correct?

 

They need a slot guy, depth and for the future. 
 

Im thinking round 5-6, James Proche SMU or Quartney Davis Texas A&M.

[ExWNYer]

6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

For 1 year correct?

 

They need a slot guy, depth and for the future. 
 

Im thinking round 5-6, James Proche SMU or Quartney Davis Texas A&M.

 

Yes, one year. Could they use some depth? Certainly; however, with McKenzie back in the fold, I don't see this as a pressing need for this year and it can easily be addressed either during the season, if need be, or next off-season/draft.

[RyanC883]

well, 12/12 in the redzone is something.  I like that.  

 

I'd like Claypool if he lasts until the 4th, but  I doubt he does.  

 

This draft will be fun.  It's great to have a GM you trust making the calls.  I went from "who is this guy" early on, to being glad when he got Singletary last year even though I thought it was early and the kid wouldn't make it in the NFL.  

[CEN-CAL17]

34 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Yes, one year. Could they use some depth? Certainly; however, with McKenzie back in the fold, I don't see this as a pressing need for this year and it can easily be addressed either during the season, if need be, or next off-season/draft.

True I agree.... but if we are talking a deep WR draft you may get a quality WR in the later rounds who could go to the PS.... there’s not a lot of glaring holes. But you gotta take BPA and with how deep the WRs are, you may get a steal who comes in and competes, maybe wins a job or goes to the PS.

[NewEra]

Absolutely.  Was talking about him today.  

[Rocky Landing]

One of the things Beane has accomplished in FA is to set us up to go BPA throughout the draft. I would not be at all surprised if we didn't take a WR at all. With Diggs as a solid #1, this team is fairly stacked at #2 WRs. As I observed in another thread, last season our first through third picks in the draft (Oliver, Ford, and Singletary) started week one, and our fourth (Knox) started week five. This year, we are likely going to be drafting for depth, only. It is unlikely that, barring injury, a single draft pick will start early in the season, unless we get really lucky at pick #54. If Hodgins is available to us in later rounds and is BPA, then sure, we grab him. But, at the moment, WR is less of a need than RB, LB, OT, Edge, or CB.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

well, 12/12 in the redzone is something.  I like that.  

 

I'd like Claypool if he lasts until the 4th, but  I doubt he does.  

 

This draft will be fun.  It's great to have a GM you trust making the calls.  I went from "who is this guy" early on, to being glad when he got Singletary last year even though I thought it was early and the kid wouldn't make it in the NFL.  

You wouldn’t want Claypool in rd 3?

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

 

They got their 'gadget guy' when they re-signed Isaiah McKenzie.

I wouldnt be so sure.  He was brought back for peanuts.  The Redzone threats are also the guys that cant sepetate usually.  Finding guys who get open in college is more important than 50/50 contested catch pertcentage.  Arcega-Whiteside was legendary at 50/50 catches in college and was relativley useless last year for Philly.

[BillsFan17]

I know the draft is super deep. However, I have a hard time saying Hodgins is going to slip that late. I'm not saying he wont be there, there's no real way of knowing how teams have their boards set, but the kid is stupid good in the red zone. If he there you absolutely run to the podium because hes going to be a sleeper WR. Another good WR for the later rounds that should likely be there is Isaiah Coulter from Rhode Island.

[Victory Formation]

Good catch! Looks like a very solid prospect.

[First Round Bust]

singletary also had an NFL father who played the same position; genes and high-level coaching at home and at an early age..

[DCOrange]

I'd be interested in picking Hodgins up in like the 6th round or something like that. Hands/ball skills are obviously very good, but he didn't test very well and that shows up big time in his tape. He has a really hard time getting any separation. I'm not really convinced he can stick on an NFL roster. If we want a WR in the 4th-5th round I think the value is in getting another guy that's kinda similar to the guys we already have (which may or may not be a bad thing). Bryan Edwards would be a more unique fit for us and he might be available in that range. Beyond him though, I'd be looking at Devin Duverney, John Hightower, James Proche, and Kalija Lipscomb. Hightower is a deep threat while the other 3 are underneath guys (Duverney winning with speed and the other two just winning with precision).

 

Edit: Adding this video of Hodgins. Even with his push-offs he isn't generating much separation, and look at the second play for an example of how hard of a time he can have. I'm just not really sure where he wins in the NFL; doesn't separate very well underneath, struggles to beat press coverage, and struggles to beat guys deep. Seems like the best way he might be able to contribute is purely backshoulder fade type passes? I don't know, not sure I see him as a potential upgrade over Duke and I'm not sure Duke is even good enough to make the team this year.

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by DCOrange

[BillsFan17]

9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I'd be interested in picking Hodgins up in like the 6th round or something like that. Hands/ball skills are obviously very good, but he didn't test very well and that shows up big time in his tape. He has a really hard time getting any separation. I'm not really convinced he can stick on an NFL roster. If we want a WR in the 4th-5th round I think the value is in getting another guy that's kinda similar to the guys we already have (which may or may not be a bad thing). Bryan Edwards would be a more unique fit for us and he might be available in that range. Beyond him though, I'd be looking at Devin Duverney, John Hightower, James Proche, and Kalija Lipscomb. Hightower is a deep threat while the other 3 are underneath guys (Duverney winning with speed and the other two just winning with precision).

Man, Proche is such a hard guy for me to gauge. For the volume of catches the dude had, to only have four games over 100 yards. Seems like an ideal, death by a million paper cuts type of player.

[DCOrange]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

Man, Proche is such a hard guy for me to gauge. For the volume of catches the dude had, to only have four games over 100 yards. Seems like an ideal, death by a million paper cuts type of player.

Yeah, he seems like the kind of guy that in past years would have ended up in New England and just killed you underneath. Not sure if they go with a different approach now that Brady is gone but we'll see.

[BigBuff423]

Somewhat due to the depth of the WR position in this Draft and somewhat based on the relative age of two of Buffalo's top 3 WRs, I could see the Bills Drafting two WRs in the Draft: one in the 3rd and one in the 5th, given the rest of the roster. I could also see the Bills goin back to back for WR in subsequent rounds in 4 and 5.....either way, I think this crop of WRs is just too good to pass up on getting a very good one somewhere between 2 and 4. JMO....

[Big Turk]

 still might take one in the 2nd or 3rd round as insurance against Brown leaving after next year...always got to be looking a year or two down the line...hopefully get a young guy now and let him develop so he is ready when Brown leaves or declines

Jauan Jennings might be nice add if we can get him in the mid rounds...

Edited March 26, 2020 by matter2003

[DCOrange]

34 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 still might take one in the 2nd or 3rd round as insurance against Brown leaving after next year...always got to be looking a year or two down the line...hopefully get a young guy now and let him develop so he is ready when Brown leaves or declines

Jauan Jennings might be nice add if we can get him in the mid rounds...

 

I was going to mention in my first reply that I might lean towards Jennings in the 6th over Hodgins as well. Like Hodgins, he struggles big time to separate; he's an absolute load to tackle after the catch though which might give him a better chance at surviving in the NFL than Hodgins.

[H2o]

46 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 still might take one in the 2nd or 3rd round as insurance against Brown leaving after next year...always got to be looking a year or two down the line...hopefully get a young guy now and let him develop so he is ready when Brown leaves or declines

Jauan Jennings might be nice add if we can get him in the mid rounds...

Still got my fingers crossed for this one

[Big Turk]

47 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I was going to mention in my first reply that I might lean towards Jennings in the 6th over Hodgins as well. Like Hodgins, he struggles big time to separate; he's an absolute load to tackle after the catch though which might give him a better chance at surviving in the NFL than Hodgins.

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

Edited March 26, 2020 by matter2003

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

You wouldn’t want Claypool in rd 3?

Of course you would.  Players like Easley, Ray Ray, Foster and Duke are hardly guaranteed a spot. It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class by not grabbing a quality wr who might fall a little. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Of course you would.  Players like Easley, Ray Ray, Foster and Duke are hardly guaranteed a spot. It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class by not grabbing a quality wr who might fall a little. 

I was just asking RyanC if he would. I don’t think he makes it to our 3rd rd pick, let alone our 4th.  

[DCOrange]

12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

 

That seems like an extremely optimistic projection to me. Aside from PFF, I haven't personally seen anyone that's particularly high on him. I know Lance Zierlein, Todd McShay, and Matt Miller for example expect him to go undrafted. PFF has him as a 2nd round prospect though.

[RyanC883]

13 hours ago, NewEra said:

You wouldn’t want Claypool in rd 3?

 

oh I'd take him in the 3rd.  I'd love him in the 4th, but if he's there in the 3rd, yeah, I'm grabbing him then.  

Edited March 26, 2020 by RyanC883

[maryland-bills-fan]

13 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

One of the things Beane has accomplished in FA is to set us up to go BPA throughout the draft. I would not be at all surprised if we didn't take a WR at all. With Diggs as a solid #1, this team is fairly stacked at #2 WRs. As I observed in another thread, last season our first through third picks in the draft (Oliver, Ford, and Singletary) started week one, and our fourth (Knox) started week five. This year, we are likely going to be drafting for depth, only. It is unlikely that, barring injury, a single draft pick will start early in the season, unless we get really lucky at pick #54. If Hodgins is available to us in later rounds and is BPA, then sure, we grab him. But, at the moment, WR is less of a need than RB, LB, OT, Edge, or CB.

I disagree and agree.  Some people go overboard with the idea of "BPA".  If we have an all-pro starting center and a good backup,,, they say "the BPA is a center.  DRAFT HIM (and have him sit on the bench for 8 years).  It also implies that you just sit there passively, keep all your draft picks and ignore holes in your roster.  And if you ever draft for need, when then you HAVE VIOLATED THE DIGNITY OF SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME.   ..... Instead, he has used a combination of building the team with free agents and draft picks.  I think he looks at both how the draft is going to unfold AND what FA's are available, (and has the ones he wanted signed before the draft) AND THEN goes into the draft looking for specific players that he has targeted.  Yes, those player are at a specific position.  The draft is also used to CHEAPLY get the impact players who can be of all-pro calibre.  He traded up to get Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Knox, and Dawkins and took Milanio about 60 picks above where most draft publications thought he should go. ...  ... I guess I see him integrating the use of draft and FA's to improve the roster with FA and try to get difference makers rather than incremental improvements in the draft.

 

We to wide receivers, I expect a feeding frenzy on them and there will be teams that overdraft lower round WR because they get greedy and want to look smart. I expect Beane to use the lower picks for trade bait and to look for the damaged toys, who might be a diamond in the rough.  Vosen Joseph?  Some guy who got hurt his junior and senior year or was playing behind an established golden boy starter of the same graduating class.  (Remember that TT guy?) I really don't see  any rookie that we get in the 4th or 5th round as an improvement over our present 2rd string players. Rather than improving the 2nd and 3rd string backups, I think they will take moon shots in the 5th 6th and 7th round.

Edited March 26, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[CarpetCrawler]

That QB Luten didn't look too bad either. 

[KD in CA]

5 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 still might take one in the 2nd or 3rd round as insurance against Brown leaving after next year...always got to be looking a year or two down the line...hopefully get a young guy now and let him develop so he is ready when Brown leaves or declines

Jauan Jennings might be nice add if we can get him in the mid rounds...

 

Absolutely.  Brown and Beasley both likely have two years left in Buffalo based on current contract and age.   The time to draft a starting WR for 2022 is now.

[BuffaloHokie13]

If we're going rd 2

 

On topic though, Devin Duvernay, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Tyrie Cleveland

Edited March 26, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I disagree and agree.  Some people go overboard with the idea of "BPA".  If we have an all-pro starting center and a good backup,,, they say "the BPA is a center.  DRAFT HIM (and have him sit on the bench for 8 years).  It also implies that you just sit there passively, keep all your draft picks and ignore holes in your roster.  And if you ever draft for need, when then you HAVE VIOLATED THE DIGNITY OF SMART PEOPLE LIKE ME.   ..... Instead, he has used a combination of building the team with free agents and draft picks.  I think he looks at both how the draft is going to unfold AND what FA's are available, (and has the ones he wanted signed before the draft) AND THEN goes into the draft looking for specific players that he has targeted.  Yes, those player are at a specific position.  The draft is also used to CHEAPLY get the impact players who can be of all-pro calibre.  He traded up to get Allen, Edmunds, Ford, Knox, and Dawkins and took Milanio about 60 picks above where most draft publications thought he should go. ...  ... I guess I see him integrating the use of draft and FA's to improve the roster with FA and try to get difference makers rather than incremental improvements in the draft.

 

We to wide receivers, I expect a feeding frenzy on them and there will be teams that overdraft lower round WR because they get greedy and want to look smart. I expect Beane to use the lower picks for trade bait and to look for the damaged toys, who might be a diamond in the rough.  Vosen Joseph?  Some guy who got hurt his junior and senior year or was playing behind an established golden boy starter of the same graduating class.  (Remember that TT guy?) I really don't see  any rookie that we get in the 4th or 5th round as an improvement over our present 2rd string players. Rather than improving the 2nd and 3rd string backups, I think they will take moon shots in the 5th 6th and 7th round.

I'm not sure which part of my post you disagree with? Certainly (and Deane has said this, himself), the goal is to draft BPA within a position of need. My point really is that a) WR is no longer a pressing need (really, #2WR was never a pressing need), and b) likely all of our draft picks this season will be drafted as potential backups-- which if you think about, really opens up the scope of what would be considered "a position of need." 

 

All that being said, I stand by my assertion that if Hodgins is available in later rounds, he will not supplant another player who ranks higher on their board, likely even if that player is a center.

[Rad Likes The Bills]

Quez Watkins is my late round guy. He plays almost just like Stefon Diggsmaybe a tad bit faster but not as good a route runner. He is going to be a steal

 

James Proche is a late round stud as well. 

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

8 hours ago, njbuff said:

Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon State 6'4" 210, 2020 playing age: 22

 

Watch the catch at 5:01.

 

 

 

 

He is so under the radar and I think he is going to be a very valuable player for the team that chooses him

[Putin]

2 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Absolutely.  Brown and Beasley both likely have two years left in Buffalo based on current contract and age.   The time to draft a starting WR for 2022 is now.

Agree 100% !!  I still think we go RB and WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and possibly another WR in later rounds 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Putin

[ScorpionZero]

On 3/26/2020 at 11:47 AM, matter2003 said:

 

I was seeing scouts talking about him being a 60-80 catch 700-1000 yd type of receiver who is very consistent week to week...won't put up huge numbers but will consistently put up similar numbers week to week...big physical chain mover that can make tough catches...every team can use a guy like that...basically a better version of Duke Williams

He's also an outstanding blocker.

 

Watch "Matt Waldman's RSP Film Room No.195 WR Jauan Jennings (Tennessee)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/bJCj-p53lNY

Edited March 27, 2020 by ScorpionZero

[Cal]

We need one in 2-3 imo.