I think Bills will draft Edwards-Helaire in the second round

[maryland-bills-fan]

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Folks,   wake up and smell the coffee.  

• We have NO depth at running back.
• If Singletary goes down for the season or pulls a hammy for 4 games we are in a lot of hurt.
• Bean likes to have quality depth
• Bean's plan, which is the best, is to use the first few round of the draft to get a few outstanding, pro bowl quality players. NOT to get "okay" depth players
• Bean uses the FA to get the depth players. Lower rounds of the draft are used to move up in the first 3 rounds, or on "moon shots" on undervalued players.
• We now use a lot of rotation at several positions. Defensive line and TE are two examples. We might to do the same with RB

I'll say point #1 again, we have NO depth at running back

I have another post : How the Bills trade up in the 2020 draftwhich shows that the Bills could use their 3rd round and other picks to move up to various slots. Basically we could turn #54 into

• #54     R2   stay pat if somebody falls, or move up a bit as Bean has done the last two years
• #45     R2,R4,R5
• #38    R2 R3
• #33    R2 R3 R4
• #31 R2 R3    2021 R2

In my view,  there is no need to compromise in getting another, potentially even better, game breaking RB to work in rotation or with Singletary. There are (my opinion) 4 guys who would fit the bill and would probably be available. Shown below are the the top RB’s and where several mock drafts have them being picked.

Swift                    Georgia                   37   18   39   45

Dobbins               Ohio Stat                 39    28   37   32  

Taylor                  Wisconsin               56   37    57    50

Edwards-Helain   LSU                        63   63    62    55

Moss                    Utah                       91   86            139

Aikens                 Flordia                   100  45  

 

 

The first three guys are clearly the class of the position, but Edward-Helain is close behind.  Moss and Aikens are good players, but a bit slower and are more power runners.  I expect Swift and Dobbins to be drafted too high to have a chance at them.  Taylor might drop to us or be available as a trade up at a reasonable price.  Moss & Aikens might still be around with our 3^rd round pick, but the expectation is that they could be adequate backups.  Edward-Helain would be my target because he is the best pass catcher of the entire group and would give Allen another option on passing plays. Remember TT running wheel routes?

 

Clyde Edwards-Helaire*, RB, LSU
Height: 5-7. Weight: 207. Arm: 29. Hand: 9.63.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2020): 2-3.
3/7/20: Edwards-Helaire was a dangerous runner and receiver for the Tigers in 2019, doing a lot of dirty work for their point machine offense. The junior averaged 6.6 yards per carry in 2019 for 1,414 yards with 16 touchdowns. He also had 55 receptions for 453 yards and a score. Edwards-Helaire is a tough runner with quickness, cutting ability, vision, and natural body lean. His natural receiving skills make him a potential three-down starter.      (cf Walter football)

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan
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[JinxedBill]

Is it possible this staff values Yeldon more then the fans do?  I think they are willing to take a back in the draft and if they can’t land one will get a vet on the outside.  

 

Imo we desperately need another dynamic RB.  Yeldons not scaring anyone.  Singletary is great but I’m not sure he’s a lead back.

 

Now Dobbins I think is.  

[Mickey]

i don't think we can afford to have two RBs on the roster who are next to useless in pass pro and short yardage situations. There are plenty of RBs with a skill set that offsets Devin's weaknesses that we will have a chance to draft. I'd pass on Edwards-Helaire.

[CEN-CAL17]

I think Akers has a shot at 54 as well. I think the Bills value him.

[TH3]

Bills need a RB that can block.....Singletary is a great runner but can’t really block....affects the plays that you can run when he is in....same with our TE’s who catch

[Bleedbuffaloblue]

They can get Dillon in the 4th or later possibly. They should use their second and third round picks for young quality depth at other positions.

[ehfeuh57]

What about Taylor falling down to us

 

Also lets think about Dillon and Leake later on

Edited March 23, 2020 by DrDare

[stinky finger]

9 minutes ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

They can get Dillon in the 4th or later possibly. They should use their second and third round picks for young quality depth at other positions.

 

Better not wait until 4th

[H2o]

AJ Dillon, thanks 

[Stank_Nasty]

6 minutes ago, H2o said:

AJ Dillon, thanks 

Yup. Give me Dillon. Nobody will wanna see that dude in the 4th quarter. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Darrynton Evans or Ke'Shawn Vaughn

Edited March 23, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13

[maryland-bills-fan]

19 minutes ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

They can get Dillon in the 4th or later possibly. They should use their second and third round picks for young quality depth at other positions.

 I think there is a difference in how Beane does things from what you might be saying.  "Young quality depth" might mean a good player, who might develop into a starter but will likely be a replacement for a couple of games if the starter goes down with an injury.   .... I think Beane's method is to look for possible pro-bowlers with every draft pick, even though they may flame out.  ..... So if the choice was 60% success as a career backup, 10% chance as a starter and 2% chance at all pro  ....VERSUS 30% backup, 10% starter,  5% as all pro..... (or something like that) then he would take the latter. ...  Reasoning is that if you can add 2 all-pros rather than 15 backups,  you go for the all-pro players who can get you into the playoffs.    You can get tested and known quality backups from the FA wire.

 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

i don't think we can afford to have two RBs on the roster who are next to useless in pass pro and short yardage situations. There are plenty of RBs with a skill set that offsets Devin's weaknesses that we will have a chance to draft. I'd pass on Edwards-Helaire.

Please let Bama know that this guy isn't good in short yardage.

[Utah John]

As a Utah fan, I saw a lot of Zach Moss.  He's an inventive, powerful runner who I think would be a good complement to Singletary.  He is not really fast but he gets through gaps with quickness and power.  I think he'll be a very good NFL back.

[billsbackto81]

45 minutes ago, JinxedBill said:

Is it possible this staff values Yeldon more then the fans do?  I think they are willing to take a back in the draft and if they can’t land one will get a vet on the outside.  

 

Imo we desperately need another dynamic RB.  Yeldons not scaring anyone.  Singletary is great but I’m not sure he’s a lead back.

 

Now Dobbins I think is.  

The TJ Yeldon that was a healthy scratch for the majority of the season?

 

46 minutes ago, DrDare said:

What about Taylor falling down to us

 

Also lets think about Dillon and Leake later one

I like Taylor as a prospect but we already have a talented RB who has a propensity to fumble. 

[YoloinOhio]

I assume you meant Akers, not Aikens? I voted for him but think they wait and take a guy like Perine. Perine’s RB Coach at Florida is the brother of the Bills RB coach. I seem to be in the minority especially among the local media that the Bills won’t take a RB 2 early. I think they will wait until 4th or later. I would, anyway. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Mickey]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Please let Bama know that this guy isn't good in short yardage.

I could have been good on short yardage behind that line. Not a lot of successful short yardage backs in the NFL at 5'-7". 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

i don't think we can afford to have two RBs on the roster who are next to useless in pass pro and short yardage situations. There are plenty of RBs with a skill set that offsets Devin's weaknesses that we will have a chance to draft. I'd pass on Edwards-Helaire.

 

Please remind me of the times Singletary lost yardage as a rusher.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

i don't think we can afford to have two RBs on the roster who are next to useless in pass pro and short yardage situations. There are plenty of RBs with a skill set that offsets Devin's weaknesses that we will have a chance to draft. I'd pass on Edwards-Helaire.

Wut

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Mickey said:

I could have been good on short yardage behind that line. Not a lot of successful short yardage backs in the NFL at 5'-7". 

Well Bama's defense was pretty good and he ran over two of them without any blockers to finish that game.  

[Mickey]

Just now, eball said:

 

Please remind me of the times Singletary lost yardage as a rusher.

 

I'd rather analyze how he did in short yardage situations but the Bills didn't give him the ball in those situations, trusting Josh or Gore to handle them. Besides, not losing yardage is not exactly what you are looking for. In my limited understanding of the game, the goal is to gain yards, not avoid losing them. Devin is awesome at that in many situations but. 4th and 1 guy he is not. Call me crazy but we already have a small, quick guy, why do we need two? Is it so awful to have a guy who can bull over a few defenders? I have more than one kind of knife in the drawer, you want nothing but steak knives?

[eball]

Just now, Mickey said:

 

I'd rather analyze how he did in short yardage situations but the Bills didn't give him the ball in those situations, trusting Josh or Gore to handle them. Besides, not losing yardage is not exactly what you are looking for. In my limited understanding of the game, the goal is to gain yards, not avoid losing them. Devin is awesome at that in many situations but. 4th and 1 guy he is not. Call me crazy but we already have a small, quick guy, why do we need two? Is it so awful to have a guy who can bull over a few defenders? I have more than one kind of knife in the drawer, you want nothing but steak knives?

 

What I recall last season is Singletary's uncanny ability to gain extra yardage after contact -- something not many expected from a "small quick guy."  With Gore gone I expect we'll see him get more opportunities.

 

That said, I completely agree with the need to bring in at least one other RB to complement Motor.

[Mickey]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wut

Isn't that run blocking efficiency?  https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/devin-singletary/

 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I hate the way the title is worded, btw. Sounds like inside info, but it almost certainly is not.

 

The whole poll is confusing. I thought he meant Thaddeus Moss in the 3rd. And who is Aikens? I think he means Akers.

[DJB]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I assume you meant Akers, not Aikens? I voted for him but think they wait and take a guy like Perine. Perine’s RB Coach at Florida is the brother of the Bills RB coach. I seem to be in the minority especially among the local media that the Bills won’t take a RB 2 early. I think they will wait until 4th or later. I would, anyway. 

 

 

 

The bolded is very interesting  to me. Thanks for that big time!

 

 

Now Dean Kindig is doing a disservice  to Perine comparing him to Bell. Perine weighed 216 at the combine with those numbers. Bell weighed 230 at his combine. That's a big difference  

Edited March 23, 2020 by DJB

[Big Gun]

As good as he is, IMO the Bills re not going with two 5'7" guys in their backfield.

[DCOrange]

22 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

I'd rather analyze how he did in short yardage situations but the Bills didn't give him the ball in those situations, trusting Josh or Gore to handle them. Besides, not losing yardage is not exactly what you are looking for. In my limited understanding of the game, the goal is to gain yards, not avoid losing them. Devin is awesome at that in many situations but. 4th and 1 guy he is not. Call me crazy but we already have a small, quick guy, why do we need two? Is it so awful to have a guy who can bull over a few defenders? I have more than one kind of knife in the drawer, you want nothing but steak knives?

Singletary had 22 carries in situations where we had 0-3 yards to go for a first down/TD. He converted on 15 (68%). Some other notable comparisons:

• Derrick Henry: 62.7%
• Melvin Gordon: 65.7%
• Christian McCaffrey: 64.1%
• Nick Chubb: 50%
• Ezekiel Elliott: 74.1%

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

 

Do you think it lends credence to your post when you say "will be" in your title or is that clickbait?

[PIZ]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I assume you meant Akers, not Aikens? I voted for him but think they wait and take a guy like Perine. Perine’s RB Coach at Florida is the brother of the Bills RB coach. I seem to be in the minority especially among the local media that the Bills won’t take a RB 2 early. I think they will wait until 4th or later. I would, anyway. 

 

 

 

I'm starting to get intrigued by this Antonio Gibson RB/WR from Memphis. Where is he projected to go? Is he projected to be a RB or a WR in the NFL? Is he a fit for the Bills offense?

 

 

[jdonley1180]

52 minutes ago, Utah John said:

As a Utah fan, I saw a lot of Zach Moss.  He's an inventive, powerful runner who I think would be a good complement to Singletary.  He is not really fast but he gets through gaps with quickness and power.  I think he'll be a very good NFL back.

 

I think everyone is sleeping on this guy. Unless one of the top 4 (Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Edwards-Helaire) drops to the 54th spot which I think is unlikely, we'd be lucky to grab Moss in the 3rd, unfortunately I don't think he lasts that long .  I think he is just as much of the bruiser Dillon is but much, much more explosive. Dillon is definitely a one cut downhill type of back. To me it looks like Moss has more ability to make people miss at the 2nd level and man does he explode through the hole. He looks much faster than what his 40 time reflects. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Sorry if people got misled by the title- I was just stating the position of what I would like.   If anyone thinks that I have special, insider information, well send me a hundred bucks for some stock tips.

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Edited March 23, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan
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[jdonley1180]

has anyone else noticed that as the Mock drafts get updated, the RB's projected spots keep getting later and later in the draft?

[thebandit27]

I know that when I look at Buffalo’s roster I think to myself: the one thing they’re missing is a 5’7” RB with 4.6 speed that can’t pass protect, but he’s shifty and can slash for yards effectively.

 

Wait...

[YoloinOhio]

54 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

Then he’s good at both if that’s the case, It doesn’t say. PFF had him as the league’s best pass blocking RB at one point toward the end of the season with a 92.1 grade. As far as CEH, pass pro is not a strength. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Sherlock Holmes]

I say just acquire McCaffrey, solves everything since he's the best at everything

[DCOrange]

16 minutes ago, jdonley1180 said:

 

I think everyone is sleeping on this guy. Unless one of the top 4 (Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Edwards-Helaire) drops to the 54th spot which I think is unlikely, we'd be lucky to grab Moss in the 3rd, unfortunately I don't think he lasts that long .  I think he is just as much of the bruiser Dillon is but much, much more explosive. Dillon is definitely a one cut downhill type of back. To me it looks like Moss has more ability to make people miss at the 2nd level and man does he explode through the hole. He looks much faster than what his 40 time reflects. 

On the flip side, he's PFF's #1 RB, so based on how Bills fans feel about them, I assume we all need to start hating Moss as a prospect.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wut

 

I always liked Hyde and think he would be the best signing left. McCaffrey is just so good everywhere, doing everything on the field. Oh would he. look good in a Bills uni. Now there's a Panther I can get behind acquiring for once.

 

 

[DCOrange]

26 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

I'm starting to get intrigued by this Antonio Gibson RB/WR from Memphis. Where is he projected to go? Is he projected to be a RB or a WR in the NFL? Is he a fit for the Bills offense?

 

 

I don't think anyone really has a good read on him. We can't even get consensus on what position he is. Some view him as a WR prospect while others view him as a RB. I'm always a bit wary of guys that don't have a natural position. I think he probably has to play as a RB in the NFL; just easier to survive as a RB with raw skills versus being a WR, but it's a pretty massive projection in his case. His natural abilities are pretty evident though; there's some serious potential if he learns how to play football.

[Seasons1992]

2 hours ago, JinxedBill said:

Singletary is great but I’m not sure he’s a lead back.

 

Are you possibly comparing Motor to Kenneth Davis? 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

I don't think anyone really has a good read on him. We can't even get consensus on what position he is. Some view him as a WR prospect while others view him as a RB. I'm always a bit wary of guys that don't have a natural position. I think he probably has to play as a RB in the NFL; just easier to survive as a RB with raw skills versus being a WR, but it's a pretty massive projection in his case. His natural abilities are pretty evident though; there's some serious potential if he learns how to play football.

So Ty Montgomery type? Maybe gets some looks at WR, but finds more career opportunities at RB?