Who's your 2nd round crush now that the Bills don't have a 1st round pick?

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I think we're pretty much in a position now where there's no huge need that we absolutely need to address. I think WR might be BPA but I feel like we probably won't go that direction.

 

I think safety/CB is the most likely direction. If Dugger/Winfield/maybe Chinn are there at 54, I would guess they're the pick. I still like Amik Robertson as a fit for us a lot but Round 2 might be too high for him.

 

RB could also be BPA but I would probably pass unless one of the top 4 is there (Swift, Taylor, CEH, Dobbins).

 

Agree on the running backs. If one of that top 4 guys is there I'd strongly consider. 

 

For me I think if there is an EDGE guy there that represents value that should be the pick. 

[wppete]

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Thanks!

 

Do you like him better than any of the CB or RB that are likely to be available at 54?

 

It depends who is there.... I'd take Jonathan Taylor. If any of the other 3 top 4 backs are there I'd consider seriously. At corner..... if my guy Jaylon Johnson is there I'd be all over that pick. I think people's corner rankings tend to go: 1. Okudah, 2 and 3 Henderson and Fulton in some order and then a jumble of guys.... Diggs, Johnson, Gladney, Dantzler... it depends who is there. 

[DCOrange]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree on the running backs. If one of that top 4 guys is there I'd strongly consider. 

 

For me I think if there is an EDGE guy there that represents value that should be the pick. 

 

Agreed. I just personally don't like this edge class all that much, but it's not my speciality either. Seems like the general consensus is that Anae, Okwara, and Weaver could be decent options there -shrugs-

[Victory Formation]

54: R2P22

 

RB JONATHAN TAYLOR

WISCONSIN

86: R3P22

 

EDGE ALTON ROBINSON

SYRACUSE

128: R4P22

 

TE ALBERT OKWUEGBUNAM

MISSOURI

155: R5P9

 

WR QUEZ WATKINS

SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI

188: R6P9

 

WR ANTONIO GIBSON

MEMPHIS

207: R6P28

 

CB STANFORD SAMUELS III

FLORIDA STATE

239: R7P25

 

LB FRANCIS BERNARD

UTAH

[RyanC883]

OT Cleveland.  

 

Mims (doubt he is there).  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Agreed. I just personally don't like this edge class all that much, but it's not my speciality either. Seems like the general consensus is that Anae, Okwara, and Weaver could be decent options there -shrugs-

 

I don't love the edge class either. I think after Young every guy has some hole. I am probably higher than most on Anae, I'd consider Weaver.... I have a 3rd on Okwara so he would be too rich for my tastes at #54. If we go another direction and Okwara was there in the third then sure. 

[BillsFan17]

Taylor 

Weaver 

Swift

Jaylon Johnson 

Cam Dantzler 

[thunderingsquid]

I would freak if Jonathan Taylor fell to us.

[BUNCH OF MULARKEY]

1 minute ago, thunderingsquid said:

I would freak if Jonathan Taylor fell to us.

Looks like the best of the lot to me.    Even if Beane moved up a few spots to get him.  

[BigBuff423]

My "crush" for the Draft will mirror life: will depend on my need and what's available. 

[Ayjent]

22 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

I think Edwards-Helaire would be a home run in the passing game, letalone what he can do as a runner.   

 

He's the closest thing to Turman Thomas I can recall in a long, long time running the wheel route...

I think LaMichael Perine is a better player all around, bigger and more durable.  He's also great in the passing game and played behind a line that couldn't run block for anything last year and still had a pretty good season.  Also, more of a change of pace with Singletary.  He may not have the shiftiness, but we've got that in Singletary.  I think he is available still in the 3rd though so that the Bills can go OL in 2nd.  I really think that is where the 2nd round pick should be focused, but at 54 you have to take the best value you can get wherever it is.

[par73]

Dobbins (doubt he is there) Anae, Weaver.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

RB Clyde Edwards Helaire LSU.

 

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 3/18/2020 at 2:06 PM, philholbroo said:

1-Trade back and get an extra 3rd.

2-Greenard, Duggar, Dantzler, Bredeson or Ruiz, but most of all Gandy-Golden.

No.  We should notice that they use the draft to shoot for homerun type players. They use cap space to get seasoned veterans who have shown they can play well, and do this rather than wasting time on good to okay college guys who might flame our or take 2-3 years to get up to speed. ...  I'm pretty sure that they will trade UP rather than down, and might do something like trade the 4th & 5th and a 3rd next year to move up from #54. They would like to get somebody who could start and has all-pro potential.  

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 3/18/2020 at 11:04 PM, Lurker said:

 

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/joe-burrow-clyde-edwards-helaire-lsu-best-athlete-2019/

 

Dan Patrick: “Who was the best athlete on the team?”

Joe Burrow: “Clyde Edwards-Helaire.”

Patrick: “No question?”

Burrow: “No question.”

Patrick: “Really?”

Burrow: “(He’s) Unreal. He’s going to play for 20 years (in the NFL). Everyone looks at all my stats because we threw the ball so much, because we had great guys on the outside as well, but, I mean, Clyde is a different beast.”

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/clyde-edwards-helaire?id=32194544-5781-5562-8963-df06e680f700

Strengths

• Ball security is outstanding
• Runs low to the ground with superb bend and balance
• 36 percent of his carries were for first downs or touchdowns in 2019
• Can cut-and-go without stopping anywhere on field
• Quick gather and cut agility laterally or on downhill flow
• Has spin move, elongated jump cut, and sudden double cut in his bag
• Makes tacklers miss in a phone booth
• Instinctive eyes and feet make him unpredictable
• Alters run tempo at times to con flowing linebackers
• Squares pads and falls forward to finish
• Has instant access to burst and sharp one-cut angles
• Runs crisp routes out of backfield
• YAC are automatic
• Kick returner for three years

Weaknesses

• Quick but doesn't have speed to house longer runs
• RPOs made linebackers more tentative early in run
• Smaller back as interior runner
• Average power near goal line or on short yardage
• Pure speed to the corner is just average
• Shorter arms with limited catch radius
• Needs to crank up commitment level in pass sets

I would take him if he came to us at #54, but wouldn't move up for him because of his lack of size and flat out speed. He might be a great college player but so-so as a pro. Playing on a champion team, you wonder  if the surounding players made him look good.

On 3/18/2020 at 7:40 PM, billsfan89 said:

 

Am I missing something or is Singletary not the lead back? The team shouldn't waste picks trading up for a back/role player need like RB. This team could use a corner or an edge rusher or even a WR much more than they need someone to take short yardage roles. Even a O-line pick is better. I am all for taking a RB in round 3 or 4 but not in round 2.

I disagree.  The team seems to like doing a rotation.  Singletary is a smaller back and I think having a similar back take maybe a third of the plays would keep him fresher and reduce the chance of an injury either slowing him down, or making him play wounded the rest of the year.

[Buffalo Junction]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It depends who is there.... I'd take Jonathan Taylor. If any of the other 3 top 4 backs are there I'd consider seriously. At corner..... if my guy Jaylon Johnson is there I'd be all over that pick. I think people's corner rankings tend to go: 1. Okudah, 2 and 3 Henderson and Fulton in some order and then a jumble of guys.... Diggs, Johnson, Gladney, Dantzler... it depends who is there. 

I think Bryce Hall is a bit of a sleeper as well. He’s a bit limited as far as fluidity and he didn’t run at the combine, and folks forgot about him after the injury. However, he’s a big smart and instinctive corner with leadership qualities and solid tackling. Would fit for zone schemes and as a corner/safety hybrid. I see him coming into play mid 2nd round. 

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

I would take him if he came to us at #54, but wouldn't move up for him because of his lack of size and flat out speed. He might be a great college player but so-so as a pro. Playing on a champion team, you wonder  if the surounding players made him look good.

 

He's a dynamic runner but where I think he's going to really be an outstanding pro is in the passing game.    He just reminds me so much of Thurman Thomas everytime I see him make a catch.    

 

Add that skill set to the Bills and you've got the next best thing to KC in terms of "which weapon do you cover" from a defensive game planning situation.    And if he can get 8-10 runs a game to spell Singletary, you've got one hell of a dangerous backfield.   Add a low-cost vet as the sledgehammer goal line specialist and boom...

[ehfeuh57]

Antoine Winfield

[Victory Formation]

56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

If a guy like Aiyuk is there you'd have the potential to go from one of the worst WR groups in the league to one of the best in one year with terrific depth..... again, the defense was the strength of this team and they've already made moves to ensure they stay there, they need to do more to improve the offense. 

 

I suspect you are right though considering how this regime is more defense oriented.... I don't expect WR or even RB at 54.

 

That’s very true. I like Aiyuk a lot but I can’t see us passing on Taylor or Dobbins. Aiyuk would be my third option, he’ll be a great player, reminds me of Chad Johnson.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

If a guy like Aiyuk is there you'd have the potential to go from one of the worst WR groups in the league to one of the best in one year with terrific depth..... again, the defense was the strength of this team and they've already made moves to ensure they stay there, they need to do more to improve the offense. 

 

I suspect you are right though considering how this regime is more defense oriented.... I don't expect WR or even RB at 54.

 

 

If Aiyuk was there he absolutely should be the pick. I think he will be long gone. 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Aiyuk was there he absolutely should be the pick. I think he will be long gone. 

I read something a couple of months ago that said something to the tune of “the overwhelming majority of teams that I’ve spoken to think Brandon Ayiuk is a better prospect than N’Keal Harry was a year ago.” That’s stuck with me. Now I realize this WR class is MUCH deeper, it feels like Ayiuk may be one of those guys that teams like more than talking heads. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I read something a couple of months ago that said something to the tune of “the overwhelming majority of teams that I’ve spoken to think Brandon Ayiuk is a better prospect than N’Keal Harry was a year ago.” That’s stuck with me. Now I realize this WR class is MUCH deeper, it feels like Ayiuk may be one of those guys that teams like more than talking heads. 

 

I have a higher grade on Aiyuk than I had on Harry. Not by a lot but he is a tick or two higher. 

 

If I mix the last two year's worth of receiver classes together on my grades I get:

 

1. Jeudy

2. Lamb

3. Ruggs

4. AJ Brown

=5. Metcalf

=5. Higgins

6. Aiyuk

7. Harry

8. Reagor

=9. Marquise Brown

=9. KJ Hamler

 

 

 

[Nester]

BPA 

[Kmart128]

I think TE is our biggest need. Cole Kmet would be a nice target for Allen and provide excellent blocking to help out our line.

[HappyDays]

Definitely Laviska Shenault. He immediately fits into our offense as McKenzie's role. Injury concerns make him a reach in the 1st but I think the value is perfect at pick 54. That would put the final touch on the makeover of our offense.

Edited March 20, 2020 by HappyDays

[GunnerBill]

 

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Definitely Laviska Shenault. He immediately fits into our offense as McKenzie's role. Injury concerns make him a reach in the 1st but I think the value is perfect at pick 54. That would put the final touch on the makeover of our offense.

 

I wouldn't hate Shenault at #54. The value isn't there in the 1st for talent reasons as well as injury concerns but I can see it at #54. He is, coincidentally, currently at #55 on my big board. 

[njbuff]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I wouldn't hate Shenault at #54. The value isn't there in the 1st for talent reasons as well as injury concerns but I can see it at #54. He is, coincidentally, currently at #55 on my big board. 

 

He might slip further.

 

Shenault might be a 3rd rounder at this point.

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Definitely Laviska Shenault. He immediately fits into our offense as McKenzie's role. Injury concerns make him a reach in the 1st but I think the value is perfect at pick 54. That would put the final touch on the makeover of our offense.

 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I wouldn't hate Shenault at #54. The value isn't there in the 1st for talent reasons as well as injury concerns but I can see it at #54. He is, coincidentally, currently at #55 on my big board. 

He has too many concerns for me in the 1st but would be a worthwhile gamble in the 2nd. I agree, that he has a lot of those “McKenzie skills” that help complete that WR room. 
 

FWIW, I’ve heard that the Bills were a little underwhelmed with the receiving prospects which is how the Diggs trade started (and not just the Higgins workout). Now, I don’t know if that means all of them or just the guys that they thought they could draft. They were smart, realizing that they needed a number 1 not another receiver. If they didn’t come away from the combine/workouts thinking that they had a shot at a number 1 this route made sense. They may see value from rounds 2 on.

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, I’ve heard that the Bills were a little underwhelmed with the receiving prospects which is how the Diggs trade started (and not just the Higgins workout).

 

This has been reported by a few others as well. I would be surprised to see us pick and outside WR in the 2nd but Shenault fits in as a gadget player. Since we didn't tender McKenzie that is still a missing piece.

[C.Biscuit97]

Claypool/ Pittman

 

edge rusher

[Buffalo Junction]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

He has too many concerns for me in the 1st but would be a worthwhile gamble in the 2nd. I agree, that he has a lot of those “McKenzie skills” that help complete that WR room. 
 

FWIW, I’ve heard that the Bills were a little underwhelmed with the receiving prospects which is how the Diggs trade started (and not just the Higgins workout). Now, I don’t know if that means all of them or just the guys that they thought they could draft. They were smart, realizing that they needed a number 1 not another receiver. If they didn’t come away from the combine/workouts thinking that they had a shot at a number 1 this route made sense. They may see value from rounds 2 on.

Allen’s youth likely plays a part as well. A QB like Wilson, Brady or Rodgers can direct traffic and explain things like a coach on the field which helps young WRs. Allen isn’t quite experienced enough for that. Adding Diggs makes that a non-issue. They can now draft a developmental WR later and groom them to replace Beasley and/ Brown when their contracts are up. Also let’s a rookie get comfortable before (I hope not) an injury situation forces action. 

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This has been reported by a few others as well. I would be surprised to see us pick and outside WR in the 2nd but Shenault fits in as a gadget player. Since we didn't tender McKenzie that is still a missing piece.

I get what you are saying and I theink the value lines up, but I'm not sure you spend a second on a gadget player. I like Anae, Greenard or CB/RB here

 

As of now just looking at holes on the team, RT/CB & RB need to be addressed, but Edge value here is pretty good as well and we are pretty old in that position

Edited March 20, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Allen’s youth likely plays a part as well. A QB like Wilson, Brady or Rodgers can direct traffic and explain things like a coach on the field which helps young WRs. Allen isn’t quite experienced enough for that. Adding Diggs makes that a non-issue. They can now draft a developmental WR later and groom them to replace Beasley and/ Brown when their contracts are up. Also let’s a rookie get comfortable before (I hope not) an injury situation forces action. 

I think that’s one of the reasons that I was against Shenault in the 1st. I didn’t want to the Bills to “need” him. He’s raw and that was risky. With the room as it is now, he’s appealing as a weapon and role player.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

He has too many concerns for me in the 1st but would be a worthwhile gamble in the 2nd. I agree, that he has a lot of those “McKenzie skills” that help complete that WR room. 
 

FWIW, I’ve heard that the Bills were a little underwhelmed with the receiving prospects which is how the Diggs trade started (and not just the Higgins workout). Now, I don’t know if that means all of them or just the guys that they thought they could draft. They were smart, realizing that they needed a number 1 not another receiver. If they didn’t come away from the combine/workouts thinking that they had a shot at a number 1 this route made sense. They may see value from rounds 2 on.

 

Agree and I had been saying that for a few weeks. I like Higgins better than the rest of the class after the top 3. If the top 3 are gone I feel #22 is a bit early for Higgins and Aiyuk who were my next two and with both I think what you are getting - at least in 2020 - is a good #2. Very different skill sets but that would have been there level in year 1 for me. I think they both have a chance to be #1s down the road but they were not #1s right out of the gate. 

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I just want better offensive players. Diggs isn't enough, IMO. 

 

So do I. I want better edge players too though. I think ours are pretty sucky. 

[Buffalo Junction]

8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I get what you are saying and I theink the value lines up, but I'm not sure you spend a second on a gadget player. I like Anae, Greenard or CB/RB here

 

As of now just looking at holes on the team, RT/CB & RB need to be addressed, but Edge value here is pretty good as well and we are pretty old in that position

Bowden comes into play in the third IMO

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that’s one of the reasons that I was against Shenault in the 1st. I didn’t want to the Bills to “need” him. He’s raw and that was risky. With the room as it is now, he’s appealing as a weapon and role player.

This is why I’m higher on Bowden for Daboll’s offense. You get a similar skill set as Shenault - less size/physicality, but more speed and athleticism - while maintaining all of the gadgetry bonuses. Plus, on top of the ability to run the ball - 2nd nationally in YPC - Bowden has a lot of QB experience for those WR option passes Daboll loves to use. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Buffalo Junction

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, Buffalo Junction said:

 

This is why I’m higher on Bowden for Daboll’s offense. You get a similar skill set as Shenault - less size/physicality, but more speed and athleticism - while maintaining all of the gadgetry bonuses. Plus, on top of the ability to run the ball - 2nd nationally in YPC - Bowden has a lot of QB experience for those WR option passes Daboll loves to use. 

Bryce Perkins is another name if he's open to slash rather than strictly QB

[Buffalo Junction]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Bryce Perkins is another name if he's open to slash rather than strictly QB

Possibly, but I’m not sure if he can catch. I do like him as a late round developmental QB though. I think he’d be a great practice squad player so defenses get accustomed to QBs with legit athleticism.... Maddeningly inconsistency as a passer though, and a lot of his deep strikes are 50/50 lobs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Bowden comes into play in the third IMO

This is why I’m higher on Bowden for Daboll’s offense. You get a similar skill set as Shenault - less size/physicality, but more speed and athleticism - while maintaining all of the gadgetry bonuses. Plus, on top of the ability to run the ball - 2nd nationally in YPC - Bowden has a lot of QB experience for those WR option passes Daboll loves to use. 

If the Bills went Dobbins, Bowden, edge rusher I would be ecstatic 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Possibly, but I’m not sure if he can catch. I do like him as a late round developmental QB though. I think he’d be a great practice squad player so defenses get accustomed to QBs with legit athleticism.... Maddeningly inconsistency as a passer though, and a lot of his deep strikes are 50/50 lobs. 

I think he's got the athleticism to figure it out, and a larger frame than Bowden. Wouldn't want him as more than an emergency qb to start though.

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the Bills went Dobbins, Bowden, edge rusher I would be ecstatic 

For me it's Hamler, Bartch (or any RT, edge would be fine too), and Evans.