Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Good news, I like Frazier. Must’ve been a hard decision between Daboll and Frazier, both coaches have made improvements and both were interviewed for HC jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Greg S said: Both McDermott and Beane deserve an extension. I agree, and it would help a bit with bringing in FA players, in which the franchise will look very stable, that has to be a plus in players eyes I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: Unsure how this is related. Also trying to understand what urgency there would be to extend McDermott and/or Beane with 2 years left on their contracts It’s the normal timing for an extension. Not like they can’t still be fired at any time. Pegs would just need to pay them still. btw, agents push for extensions for coaches. The same agents who represent players in FA. There is a lot of politics around this stuff. Edited March 4, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I suspect that is just the title catching up with the role he has always done. He is vet former HC that I imagine McD has leant on as a first time HC. if Brit or Quote I suspect that is just the title catching up with the role he has always done. He is vet former HC that I imagine McD has leaned on as a first time HC. if American Since we dont have info on any borrowing transactions between McD and Frazier:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: The Charger game in 2017. McD started to blitz Rivers, which stopped the bleeding; too little, too late since LA piled on a 40 point lead by then. I can let that go, but not the playoff game against Houston. They blew a 16 point lead and allowed the Texans to convert on a 3rd and 18 by lining the LBs and DBs 20+ yards off the ball. McD's or Frazier's idea? Probably both were in agreement with the call, very similar conservative coaching styles. Or simply a player or two failing to hit his landmark in coverage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: I don’t get it though - what changes? Does he just get paid more? 36 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: The Charger game in 2017. McD started to blitz Rivers, which stopped the bleeding; too little, too late since LA piled on a 40 point lead by then. I can let that go, but not the playoff game against Houston. They blew a 16 point lead and allowed the Texans to convert on a 3rd and 18 by lining the LBs and DBs 20+ yards off the ball. McD's or Frazier's idea? Probably both were in agreement with the call, very similar conservative coaching styles. That was a player issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Or simply a player or two failing to hit his landmark in coverage... If it is multiple players, that suggests a coaching/scheme issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: if Brit or if American Since we dont have info on any borrowing transactions between McD and Frazier:) I have been here 7 years and I have STILL not got you lot to use our beautiful language properly. I am failing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: If it is multiple players, that suggests a coaching/scheme issue. Or an offensive play call that disguises the action of a defenders read key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: That was a player issue. Who is responsible for ensuring the players know what to do? And why was that particular play call made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: If it is multiple players, that suggests a coaching/scheme issue. Nah the players just blew it on that play. We have called that defense about 30 times over the course of the season. We let the catch be made we rally and tackle about 2 yards short of a first down. The players panicked, got too deep and blew the call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I have been here 7 years and I have STILL not got you lot to use our beautiful language properly. I am failing. Says the dude whose countrymen can’t pronounce an “H” sound ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 WHAT? Not Daboll? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Or an offensive play call that disguises the action of a defenders read key. Which means they got out smarted by Bill O'Brien. Edited March 4, 2020 by Happy Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Which means they got out smarted by Bill O'Brien. He’s actually a pretty good play designer. He’s just a lousy HC and a brutal GM. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nah the players just blew it on that play. We have called that defense about 30 times over the course of the season. We let the catch be made we rally and tackle about 2 yards short of a first down. The players panicked, got too deep and blew the call. i just vehemently disagree with that particular call. I understand the theory, it's just that is a "play not to lose" mindset. They let Houston dictate the situation, rather than capitalizing on a position of strength (Bills' perspective) and dictating the situation to Houston. In the end, the Bills paid the price for a conservative philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Good for him! Well deserved! Titles are great. $how him the money. I’m $ure they were very fair with him. I’ve worked at places where they’d rather throw titles at you than cash. The title never bought diapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: Does this even change anything? It may have changed Frazier's mind about going somewhere else for more money. Here's a new title. Here's some more cash. Now don't go anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Woof, I had actually blocked that Chargers game out for a while there. It certainly shut up the "it can't get any worse that Tyrod" posters, lol. But after that game we had lots of posters saying that "McDermott & Beane were in over their heads and they should be fired!" OY! These fans can be so bi-polar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: i just vehemently disagree with that particular call. I understand the theory, it's just that is a "play not to lose" mindset. They let Houston dictate the situation, rather than capitalizing on a position of strength (Bills' perspective) and dictating the situation to Houston. In the end, the Bills paid the price for a conservative philosophy. It was 3rd and 18, and they had just come within 2 penalties and 1 missed block of winning on their previous possession. No reason to panic and throw the game plan out the window. Run your trusted play call and trust your players to do their job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Woof, I had actually blocked that Chargers game out for a while there. It certainly shut up the "it can't get any worse that Tyrod" posters, lol. I am sure they can be forgiven for their temporary insanity. Coach McD listened to his OC and put him in as starter (should not have announced, just done it) and OC got canned for it at end of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: i just vehemently disagree with that particular call. I understand the theory, it's just that is a "play not to lose" mindset. They let Houston dictate the situation, rather than capitalizing on a position of strength (Bills' perspective) and dictating the situation to Houston. In the end, the Bills paid the price for a conservative philosophy. That is our strength though. That literally is our defense. We force teams into third and long then force them to take the underneath throw and rally and tackle. We have been running it for 3 years now. That is who we are. Sending a blitz on 3rd and 18 would have been the Bills away from who they are. I have no problem with the call. At all. Execution was the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I agree Frazier deserves it but I do find it a bit curious that McDermott, whose own background is as a defensive coach and coordinator would have a defensive coordinator as an assistant head coach. Ideally, it seems as if a head coach with a defensive background would want to have an offensive coordinator in whom he has enough trust to bestow the title of assistant head coach rather than a defensive guy since he would have a better grasp of what the defensive guy is doing anyway. This does suggest that McDermott has not yet placed the same level of trust in Brian Daboll, nor, of course, has production on the field for the offense risen to a level where you can say McDermott should trust Daboll as much as Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chandler#81 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: Does this even change anything? You’re new to the game right? Haven’t seen anything this naive since BocaBills was shown the door...? For others who really are new to the NFL, he can’t be poached for a DC job without offering him HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said: Does this even change anything? Or, don’t all coordinators assist the HC by the nature of their job??? Basically a pay raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Yep. Leslie is an adult. He isn't a spit the dummy out merchant. I like the hire as soon as McDermott made it. I am a fan of first time Head Coaches having a former Head Coach in one of those coordinator spots. I always think it helps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) This reminds me of the day we handed out that big contract to Fitzmagic. The kiss of death. Edited March 5, 2020 by Saint Doug English helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I don’t get it though - what changes? Does he just get paid more? That was a player issue. Some here would call you naive for asking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) I suspect the main reason for this is to make it more difficult for other teams to poach Frazier. Oops, looks like Chandler beat me to it. Edited March 4, 2020 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is our strength though. That literally is our defense. We force teams into third and long then force them to take the underneath throw and rally and tackle. We have been running it for 3 years now. That is who we are. Sending a blitz on 3rd and 18 would have been the Bills away from who they are. I have no problem with the call. At all. Execution was the problem. You and Bandit27 are probably right. My problem is that the defense we run reminds me a bit of the Dick Jauron "bend but don't break" defense. Only we have better players now and, admittedly, better coaching than Dick Jauron and his staff. I'd prefer a more aggressive defense that gets after the QB and stops the run better than what we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: I suspect the main reason for this is to make it more difficult for other teams to poach Frazier. It may make it more attractive for him to stay, but it doesn’t change whether he can be poached for anything other than HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: Does this even change anything? I assume he gets paid more. That’s probably ok by hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: You’re new to the game right? Haven’t seen anything this naive since BocaBills was shown the door...? For others who really are new to the NFL, he can’t be poached for a DC job without offering him HC. That was already the case, and is the case for all assistant coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I agree, and it would help a bit with bringing in FA players, in which the franchise will look very stable, that has to be a plus in players eyes I would think. It absolutely is. I remember Jim Kelly saying that Brady told him one of the main reasons why they have been so successful in NE is because they run the same system year after year. Changing HC's, OC's, DC's as well as positional coaches all the time make it impossible to build chemistry/a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: That was already the case, and is the case for all assistant coaches. Yeah I was googling there but couldn't find anything, I coulda swore I read the NFL got rid of the asst coach title, at least in being used in the aid of raiding coordinators. Basically that it was still a legit title, but it is not considered an actual higher position in terms of if a guys contract said he could only leave for a "higher" position. What good is my memory tho. Where am I again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Makes it harder for a team to sign him away from us by giving him asst HC title while still keeping him as a DC Now he could only leave for a HC job It doesn't change anything. Formally for the purposes of NFL rules, any position coach or co-ordinator role is treated the same. An interview can only be forced upon a team for a Head Coach interview. Any little titles like Assistant Head Coach are meaningless for job interview rules purposes 2 hours ago, Herc11 said: Does this also help protect from a team hiring him away as a DC/Assistant HC? I know a team can't take him laterally unless approved by the Bills, but if they were to offer a DC/Assistant HC job would that no longer of been a lateral move if he was still only officially a DC? No. Its still a lateral. Even a D line or RB coach is considered a lateral to DC/Assistant HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just wondering who had who had that title before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Good for Coach Frazier. He's a tremendous leader, and deserves some recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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