Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Matt Parrino tweeted that he went on a 15 minute Josh Allen rant on the air. But, for {reasons} I can not bring myself to listen Can anyone help with a summary or key points? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It really isn't bad at all, give that clip a listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CaliBills said: It really isn't bad at all, give that clip a listen. I have brought it up on my computer and positioned the cursor over the start arrow and I just can't. Call it a character flaw on my part, if you like. I see a lot of people in the twitter thread said they agreed or couldn't disagree Can you help me out with a summary? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Unyielding desire to be great. Playoff game was the Josh Allen experience. A few too many mistakes, but players let him down to leave plays on the field. Some lights out throws (Brown sideline, Duke End Zone). Staff and players let him down, where Houston made plays for Watson. He felt the game shift and went back to ground zero. Will the coaching staff be true to their word and put him in a position to win in 2020? 10 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Unyielding desire to be great. Playoff game was the Josh Allen experience. A few too many mistakes, but players let him down to leave plays on the field. Some lights out throws (Brown sideline, Duke End Zone). Staff and players let him down, where Houston made plays for Watson. He felt the game shift and went back to ground zero. Will the coaching staff be true to their word and put him in a position to win in 2020? Thanks Hokie! I am listening to Brandon Beane interview on Tim Graham show. He flat out says "I'll ride or die with Josh Allen" and "I can do a better job with giving him weapons to where he doesn't feel as though he's got to put the whole team on his back" So there you have it. If the FO does NOT give him more protection and more weapons, Mr Beane is forsworn. Edit: later on in that interview, Beane is asked about adding an insurance policy QB at QB as Tenn. did with acquiring Mariota when they have Tannehill. Again Beane flat out said that you do that when you're not sure you have the guy, and that they're operating believing Josh is the guy and they're going to put all their resources in to putting pieces around him. 10 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 All I need to know about Josh Allen is that he COMPETES HIS BALLS OFF EVERY PLAY. Every. Play. It’s something that can’t be coached and it’s infectious and is one of the reasons his teammates speak so highly of him. And it gives you a chance more often than not. 13 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Good little listen. The Josh Allen experience. Wyoming Josh. I think that'd be a fitting nickname. "The cowboy". If an actual cowboy played football, that's probably how he'd play lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 specifically mention lesean saying he's a young raw QB and we need to help him out as well by making plays for him. Brought up if John Brown makes that catch inside the 5, Williams catch he didn't come down with in the end zone Was actually a good listen Both Watson and Allen made plays for themselves but houstons players made more plays for watson than the players made for Josh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Some lights out throws (Brown sideline, Duke End Zone). He had the game won in the 1st half with those two passes... I've watched both a million times now...Slow motion...Frame by frame...And I have to stop because it makes me too angry... Both those throws were absolute money and to say Duke and Smoke let him down is a bit of an understatement... Just heartbreaking... ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 He didn’t say anything wrong (shockingly.) allen panicked in the 2nd half and made stupid plays because the team (and coaches) around him kinda let him down. Nothing inaccurate about that take. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 ‘Cowboy Josh’ it is. Love that Brandon is as passionate about him as I and many others are. This speaks directly to his critics -and we have a million of them here. Get on Board or get out. The Bills & McBeane are hitching their circled wagons to Allen. Brandon went so far in an interview on GR that $$ must be set aside for Josh, regarding the +$90M current cap. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) "Boy, that was so well-said." - Sully And Hap, it wasn't a 15 minute rant. It was a 2 minute rant in the first 15 minutes of Jerry's show. Edited January 9, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just have to take another step forward. A lot for Josh to learn, and also a lot for the coaches and team management to learn. But luckily, I think the makeup of this team is to learn and progress. They all seem devoted to becoming better. What did Rex Ryan do when he faced failure? He doubled down on his strategy and refused to change. He refused to listen to criticism. He refused input from his players and assistant coaches. He dug in his heels and stayed the flawed course. A lot of coaches and GM's are that way. McDermott and Beane are always looking for positive ways to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, MJS said: Just have to take another step forward. A lot for Josh to learn, and also a lot for the coaches and team management to learn. But luckily, I think the makeup of this team is to learn and progress. They all seem devoted to becoming better. What did Rex Ryan do when he faced failure? He doubled down on his strategy and refused to change. He refused to listen to criticism. He refused input from his players and assistant coaches. He dug in his heels and stayed the flawed course. A lot of coaches and GM's are that way. McDermott and Beane are always looking for positive ways to change. Fired Greg Roman after giving up 371 passing yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick Edited January 9, 2020 by Doc Brown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, NC Book said: Good little listen. The Josh Allen experience. Wyoming Josh. I think that'd be a fitting nickname. "The cowboy". If an actual cowboy played football, that's probably how he'd play lol. A young Brett Favre like. That's my comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, K-9 said: All I need to know about Josh Allen is that he COMPETES HIS BALLS OFF EVERY PLAY. Every. Play. It’s something that can’t be coached and it’s infectious and is one of the reasons his teammates speak so highly of him. And it gives you a chance more often than not. And... he’s 23! I don’t usually compare the two, but when Jim Kelly was 23 he was THREE YEARS away from taking his first snap for the Bills. As you said, Allen is nothing if not competitive and has shown the ability to learn and grow within the position. He made a lot of progress from year 1 to year 2. He’s far from a finished product but who is at 23. He has 2-3 years to show he’s *the guy* looking at contract timeline. People don’t want to wait for things but that’s reality. Edited January 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And... he’s 23! I don’t usually compare the two, but when Jim Kelly was 23 he was THREE YEARS away from taking his first snap for the Bills. As you said, Allen is nothing if not competitive and has shown the ability to learn and grow within the position. He made a lot of progress from year 1 to year 2. He’s far from a finished product but who is at 23. He has 2-3 years to show he’s *the guy* looking at contract timeline. People don’t want to wait for things but that’s reality. I love Josh Allen with all his flaws. He has a ways to go; however, there is nothing I see in him or his play that leads me to doubt, in any way, that he will get there. In fact, just the opposite. It is unfortunate that so many will walk away from the Houston game thinking Allen had a meltdown and was the reason the Bills lost that game. He certainly made his share of mistakes; however, there was also so much to like about so much of what he did in that game. In the end, the loss was like every game the Bills play: A team effort, from coaches to players. IMHO, the future looks pretty good with this kid leading the team. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: ‘Cowboy Josh’ it is. Love that Brandon is as passionate about him as I and many others are. This speaks directly to his critics -and we have a million of them here. Get on Board or get out. The Bills & McBeane are hitching their circled wagons to Allen. Brandon went so far in an interview on GR that $$ must be set aside for Josh, regarding the +$90M current cap. I am sorry but I absolutely can not get on board with calling our QB a “cowboy” Edit: I mean, that evidently IS what they call the Wyoming teams, so he is a Wyo "cowboy" or "poke" But this is the NFL, and it has that whole Dallas association. NO. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have brought it up on my computer and positioned the cursor over the start arrow and I just can't. Call it a character flaw on my part, if you like. I see a lot of people in the twitter thread said they agreed or couldn't disagree Can you help me out with a summary? I am like you. I haven't read anything he has written, or listened to anything he has said, in at least 4-5 years. It wasn't even so much whether I agreed with him or not (because he certainly made his share of valid points), it was the fatalistic, depressing tone in which he always seemed to present his views. I just listened to the clip. It was a good assessment. But, even more than that, it was the first time I recall feeling real, genuine optimism from him. Hell has frozen over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am sorry but I absolutely can not get on board with calling our QB a “cowboy” "GIDDYUP" !! Edited January 9, 2020 by I am the egg man 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Unyielding desire to be great. Playoff game was the Josh Allen experience. A few too many mistakes, but players let him down to leave plays on the field. Some lights out throws (Brown sideline, Duke End Zone). Staff and players let him down, where Houston made plays for Watson. He felt the game shift and went back to ground zero. Will the coaching staff be true to their word and put him in a position to win in 2020? Thanks Hokie. I really like Matt Parrino but can’t bring myself to listen to sully 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Thanks Hokie. I really like Matt Parrino but can’t bring myself to listen to sully I am glad to know I am not the only one who was unable to bring myself to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Thanks Hokie. I really like Matt Parrino but can’t bring myself to listen to sully This particular clip is 98% sully free If GoT didn't crash and burn that would've been a great spot for an unsullied pun... Edited January 9, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Parrino says well what I have been thinking as I process what happened last weekend. Yes Josh had a "meltdown" or whatever you want to call it. But the point about being let down by the rest of the team and coaches is huge. Josh needs to be better, and he will keep working to do so. But so does the rest of the guys on the field. There were several games this year that Josh carried the team to victory. We often see other teams where WR's make plays for their QB (like Hopkins). It has been a long time since we have had a WR that consistently did so in Buffalo. Also a big point in this is Josh's attitude - no finger pointing or deflecting blame from him. I can think of a few other situations where the QB response would have been to point out other failings around him... thankful that Josh is not that guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: "GIDDYUP" !! it looks like someone is making him wear that hat at gun point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, teef said: it looks like someone is making him wear that hat at gun point. Nobody's got a gun like "Cowboy" Josh ! The red and blue look so good too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am sorry but I absolutely can not get on board with calling our QB a “cowboy” Edit: I mean, that evidently IS what they call the Wyoming teams, so he is a Wyo "cowboy" or "poke" But this is the NFL, and it has that whole Dallas association. NO. FWIW, the cowboy thing in America is massively overblown, from a historical and demographic standpoint. There is only one team in New York, and it sure as hell is never to be associated with the cowboy. Oh, and Fuh K the cowboys. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Nobody's got a gun like "Cowboy" Josh ! The red and blue look so good too. No. Just.....NO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumaro02 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Unyielding desire to be great. Playoff game was the Josh Allen experience. A few too many mistakes, but players let him down to leave plays on the field. Some lights out throws (Brown sideline, Duke End Zone). Staff and players let him down, where Houston made plays for Watson. He felt the game shift and went back to ground zero. Will the coaching staff be true to their word and put him in a position to win in 2020? Good summary. He also should have added his 3 blocker sweep in which his 3 blockers blocked nobody and he got hit. Could have been a TD. Morse, Knox, and ? (Feliciano) all left him hanging. Morse is being paid $44 mil. We should have an expectation that at least he or Feliciano? should have the veteran presence to know what the hell they are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thanks Hokie! I am listening to Brandon Beane interview on Tim Graham show. He flat out says "I'll ride or die with Josh Allen" and "I can do a better job with giving him weapons to where he doesn't feel as though he's got to put the whole team on his back" So there you have it. If the FO does NOT give him more protection and more weapons, Mr Beane is forsworn. Edit: later on in that interview, Beane is asked about adding an insurance policy QB at QB as Tenn. did with acquiring Mariota when they have Tannehill. Again Beane flat out said that you do that when you're not sure you have the guy, and that they're operating believing Josh is the guy and they're going to put all their resources in to putting pieces around him. I would think there is an implied "yet" or "for now" in those statements. No GM or HC is going to waiver on their 2nd year QB who had some pretty nice highs in their second year. I think Josh has to make another big jump or two for the FO to throw 35-40M his way. Beane also said something along the lines of "I hope Josh progresses to a point where we have to pay him a lot of money". They will commit to Josh for as long as they reasonably can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumaro02 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: He didn’t say anything wrong (shockingly.) allen panicked in the 2nd half and made stupid plays because the team (and coaches) around him kinda let him down. Nothing inaccurate about that take. I listened as well. IMO Matt Parinno is really the guy to read as he is the most fair about Allen. He gets "fanish" right after a game and does over criticize initially. Then he walks that back and is consistently fair. I used to like Fairburn but ever since he and Buscaglia went "Athletic" they seem to have led and fed each other down the rabbit hole of negative reporting above fairness. Buscaglia has always been an Allen critic who tries to hide it sometimes. I remember when the Nate, AJ, and Josh debacle was going down in early August of 2018 he reported that McCarron (or Peterman not sure which and doesn't matter) looked good but that the other two didn't do "anything" to distinguish themselves. This was at the same time the Bills were reporting Allen ran for a TD in practice of 40 - 50 yards. I tweeted Joe to ask why the disconnect. He stated he thought he ran out of bounds!. Yet none of the two including our 7th did nothing to distinguish themselves. I said to my self.....ahh ok... really? I think he continues to reluctantly give Allen credit.....when he must. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, tumaro02 said: Good summary. He also should have added his 3 blocker sweep in which his 3 blockers blocked nobody and he got hit. Could have been a TD. Morse, Knox, and ? (Feliciano) all left him hanging. Morse is being paid $44 mil. We should have an expectation that at least he or Feliciano? should have the veteran presence to know what the hell they are doing. I've put up some pics elsewhere: the Allen fumble is one where he stepped forward through the pocket ahead of a charging JJ Watt on the R and Mercilus blowing by Kroft on the L, with Singletary and Dawkins stepping in between him and Mercilus. He thought he had time to wait for Beasley to come open. That's another one that really rots me. Should Allen have had the ball in a different position, with 2 hands on it until just before he throws, absolutely, and that needs to be a focus of his off season work, every drill. But C'Mon Man! Three Bills can't take out one damn defender? 9 minutes ago, Mango said: I would think there is an implied "yet" or "for now" in those statements. No GM or HC is going to waiver on their 2nd year QB who had some pretty nice highs in their second year. I think Josh has to make another big jump or two for the FO to throw 35-40M his way. Beane also said something along the lines of "I hope Josh progresses to a point where we have to pay him a lot of money". They will commit to Josh for as long as they reasonably can. Oh, I have no doubt. I said elsewhere my take is that McDermott is at heart a cold hard ruthless competitor. They expect Allen to take another big step, and they're gonna ride with him until proven otherwise. But once they decide it's proven otherwise, McDermott may shed a tear and pray over him, but he's gone. What I don't understand is why they didn't make a bigger push to give him what he needed this year. Maybe they thought they did - they thought they did enough in 2018, they acknowledged they didn't and did a partial overhaul in 2019, and now saying it's still not enough. So what will be different next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I haven’t listened to one bills related piece of media since before the game. like Mr T said: “Pain” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Can't argue with much. His players did let him down both catching the ball and blocking ( or lack thereof). Get him weapons. Lots of weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: I haven’t listened to one bills related piece of media since before the game. like Mr T said: “Pain” Here are a couple podcasts that I recommend for this stage of the grieving process, when you are ready. You can trust me, i will not lead you astray on these things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Here are a couple podcasts that I recommend for this stage of the grieving process, when you are ready. You can trust me, i will not lead you astray on these things Thanks doc! I trust you! Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am sorry but I absolutely can not get on board with calling our QB a “cowboy” Edit: I mean, that evidently IS what they call the Wyoming teams, so he is a Wyo "cowboy" or "poke" But this is the NFL, and it has that whole Dallas association. NO. Yeah, but Buffalo Bill was a cowboy, so there's that. I realized this a long time ago, but it struck as very weird that our team is named after a guy who got famous for murdering the animal our city is named after. Edited January 9, 2020 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Nobody's got a gun like "Cowboy" Josh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: And... he’s 23! I don’t usually compare the two, but when Jim Kelly was 23 he was THREE YEARS away from taking his first snap for the Bills. As you said, Allen is nothing if not competitive and has shown the ability to learn and grow within the position. He made a lot of progress from year 1 to year 2. He’s far from a finished product but who is at 23. He has 2-3 years to show he’s *the guy* looking at contract timeline. People don’t want to wait for things but that’s reality. Here's a crazy fun fact. Jim was 30 when he lead the Bills to SB25. Josh at only 23 is scary. I think Josh will be the first Buffalo qb to throw for over 4000 someday. Enjoy the ride mafia brethren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Matt Parrino tweeted that he went on a 15 minute Josh Allen rant on the air. But, for {reasons} I can not bring myself to listen Can anyone help with a summary or key points? Edited January 10, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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