Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: He deserves a raise, @GunnerBill is 1000000% correct on him and Hyde disguising coverage and the sum of the parts has been top notch, I'm just not sure how much cap I put into the safeties. We have the room to give a him a raise and structure it so it hits next offseason and limits the upfront hit this year, but from a production standpoint alone he is replaceable at a cheaper contract. I would look to spend my premium cap space on QB, WR, CB, Edge, Pass Catching TE over a zone safety. We could reasonably fit him in though without affecting our ability in the next couple seasons to sign whoever we want. He deserves a raise but nothing crazy.. McDermott is a defensive back guru is 100% the reason poyer has broke out in the league McDermott has him in the right spots to succeed. Poyer on any other team is honestly probably a jag, maybe slightly better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, stony said: $10 she has none. Not taking that bet, ? , I likes me some bush, it’s odd that women will have their pubs yanked out, as painful as it is, and do it over and over, trying desperately to look prepubescent as a style statement, kinda F’ed up if you ask me.. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: He deserves a raise but nothing crazy.. McDermott is a defensive back guru is 100% the reason poyer has broke out in the league McDermott has him in the right spots to succeed. Poyer on any other team is honestly probably a jag, maybe slightly better It looks like there is good value in RD2 & 3 for a replacement this year I think we can get WR, RT and S in RDs, 1, 2 and 3 with a little bit of movement. Sign Hooper and Yannick and call it a day. He isn't a Minkah, Derwin, Earl or Harrison Smith so I'm not sure I pay a premium for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Reed83HOF said: It looks like there is good value in RD2 & 3 for a replacement this year I think we can get WR, RT and S in RDs, 1, 2 and 3 with a little bit of movement. Sign Hooper and Yannick and call it a day. He isn't a Minkah, Derwin, Earl or Harrison Smith so I'm not sure I pay a premium for him... He isn't anything like any of those guys.. he is good safety in the league who has found his scheme fit .. which most players don't find in the league So he has benefitted immensely from it I think drafting a kid to groom would be smart. And the 3rd round would probably land a good football player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He deserves a raise but nothing crazy.. McDermott is a defensive back guru is 100% the reason poyer has broke out in the league McDermott has him in the right spots to succeed. Poyer on any other team is honestly probably a jag, maybe slightly better Possibly. I do think you are a little harsh on him. But also as I say while I have no doubt McDermott could coach up the next guy replicating the chemistry with Hyde is near impossible. I agree thought. There is a price at which you have to let him walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Possibly. I do think you are a little harsh on him. But also as I say while I have no doubt McDermott could coach up the next guy replicating the chemistry with Hyde is near impossible. I agree thought. There is a price at which you have to let him walk. The chemistry between them is the only thing that would suck losing which would take a few seasons to grow But you can definitely draft a bigger , stronger , faster guy to groom.. while trying to negotiate with poyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: The chemistry between them is the only thing that would suck losing which would take a few seasons to grow But you can definitely draft a bigger , stronger , faster guy to groom.. while trying to negotiate with poyer They could. The other incredible thing with those two is how healthy they have stayed. How many games have they missed between them in 3 years? Can't be more than a couple. So I really have no feel for how our current depth would hold up having to play for a longer period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: They could. The other incredible thing with those two is how healthy they have stayed. How many games have they missed between them in 3 years? Can't be more than a couple. So I really have no feel for how our current depth would hold up having to play for a longer period. The Bills new medical equipment and top facilities seem to keep our players healthier than years past. Safety is also a relatively healthy position compared to RB or LBr or Lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The chemistry between them is the only thing that would suck losing which would take a few seasons to grow But you can definitely draft a bigger , stronger , faster guy to groom.. while trying to negotiate with poyer Poyer has the unfortunate habit of getting trucked into the end zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: Poyer has the unfortunate habit of getting trucked into the end zone He has an unfortunate habit of being trucked for 3 years Great coverage guy , not a great tackler... Routinely gets dragged 5 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They could. The other incredible thing with those two is how healthy they have stayed. How many games have they missed between them in 3 years? Can't be more than a couple. So I really have no feel for how our current depth would hold up having to play for a longer period. You could easily give him a 3-4 yr deal and now hurt yourself at all and honestly I am fine either way. The sum of the parts is outstanding and it may not even be worth messing with, but I can understand if they did. If I had to chose between Yannick or Hooper over him I would. I'm not sure he is worth $9-10 million/season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not taking that bet, ? , I likes me some bush, it’s odd that women will have their pubs yanked out, as painful as it is, and do it over and over, trying desperately to look prepubescent as a style statement, kinda F’ed up if you ask me.. Go Bills!!! I think my post was bushwhacked! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Careful Ms. Bush, some high end safety talent in this draft. Simmons (Clem), Delpit(LSU), McKinney(Tide), Wade(OSU), Davis(Cal) And in the later rounds for some nostalgia Antoine Winfield Jr(,Minn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 And its officially the offseason lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Or common sense. Poyer will be 29 at the start of next season. You dont give a 30 year old safety a big contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, noacls said: Careful Ms. Bush, some high end safety talent in this draft. Simmons (Clem), Delpit(LSU), McKinney(Tide), Wade(OSU), Davis(Cal) And in the later rounds for some nostalgia Antoine Winfield Jr(,Minn) Did Winfield declare? He’s a corner though Wade is returning to Ohio state (also a corner) Edited January 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Did Winfield declare? He’s a corner though Wade is returning to Ohio state (also a corner) Winfield is listed at safety on the draft network . He is a redshirt sophomore, so not sure. Threw him on list because big fan of his dad. As to Wade did not see that, Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, noacls said: Winfield is listed at safety on the draft network . He is a redshirt sophomore, so not sure. Threw him on list because big fan of his dad. As to Wade did not see that, Thank You He might be a safety in the NFL. I don’t think he’s very fast. (Winfield) Edited January 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He might be a safety in the NFL. I don’t think he’s very fast. (Winfield) no he is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Where is the Jaquan love coming from? He played 53 defensive snaps in 2019. Team likes him and played well in regular season finale. He will have shot in training camp to take #3 safety spot next year. If he plays well you have potential replacement. Can’t pay everyone and sometimes tough decisions need to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 hours ago, class_of_2012 said: I didn't realize you could edit tweets. Me either, actually. She may have just deleted the original and put up something else in its place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Me either, actually. She may have just deleted the original and put up something else in its place. I think that’s what happened. And no you can’t edit tweets, only delete them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Surprised to see that some think he's good in run support. I see (or think I see) him messing up his gap responsibility and whiffing on tackles a lot. Not to mention getting trucked. He's much better in pass D if my eyeball impression is right. But given the scheme and McBeane's uncanny ability to develop DBs 8-9 M per as has been suggested seems crazy to me. With 9 picks we ought to be able to draft a good safety. We also have a couple of STmers who might be ready to step up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Anyone still doubt that he’s grossly underpaid compared to his peers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 23 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Surprised to see that some think he's good in run support. I see (or think I see) him messing up his gap responsibility and whiffing on tackles a lot. Not to mention getting trucked. He's much better in pass D if my eyeball impression is right. But given the scheme and McBeane's uncanny ability to develop DBs 8-9 M per as has been suggested seems crazy to me. With 9 picks we ought to be able to draft a good safety. We also have a couple of STmers who might be ready to step up. Here's the quandry, and hopefully they can resolve it. Hyde is worth at least as much as Poyer, IMO more. He's under contract thru 2021 at essentially $5.1M/yr (cap hit of $6.7 including signing bonus). Poyer wants a renegotiation, and is quite arguably underpaid at $3.2M per year. But if you renegotiate him when he's got a year on his contract, and up his salary to $8-9M, then suddenly other guys under contract like Hyde look around and say "hey! how about ME? What am I worth on the open market?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Pay him. It’s a strength so keep it together. She also wants it because she will collect more alimony in a few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Here's the quandry, and hopefully they can resolve it. Hyde is worth at least as much as Poyer, IMO more. He's under contract thru 2021 at essentially $5.1M/yr (cap hit of $6.7 including signing bonus). Poyer wants a renegotiation, and is quite arguably underpaid at $3.2M per year. But if you renegotiate him when he's got a year on his contract, and up his salary to $8-9M, then suddenly other guys under contract like Hyde look around and say "hey! how about ME? What am I worth on the open market?" Probably why Beane feels like a nice chunk of the 90 mill is going to go to paying his current core. Those two guys are integral to the success of this defense. A guy like Jordan Phillips is a good piece to have but not integral. Especially with the high pick used on Oliver and Harry coming back. There is also a cheap guy like Vincent Taylor they can use. Edited January 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Probably why Beane feels like a nice chunk of the 90 mill is going to go to paying his current core. Those two guys are integral to the success of this defense. A guy like Jordan Phillips is a good piece to have but not integral. I'm wondering about that. One thing it's clear that McDermott likes on D is a rotation, especially at DT. Phillips saw his snaps spike up from less than half (48%) vs Eagles, to >2/3 (66%, 71%, 61%, 61%) after the Eagles game. Then they dropped off again, with a spike to 62% against NWE. Oliver's snaps pretty much mirrored Phillips. On the other hand.....Oliver and Harrison Phillips are both regarded as kind of undersized for DL. I wonder if over a long season, someone like Jordan Phillips is more integral to our success than McDermott appreciates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 6:25 PM, noacls said: Winfield is listed at safety on the draft network . He is a redshirt sophomore, so not sure. Threw him on list because big fan of his dad. As to Wade did not see that, Thank You just Declared 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Here we go... https://twitter.com/rachel__bush/status/1234971722262073344?s=21 aaand she deleted it already @rachel_bush They either pay him what he’s worth or he goes else where. It’s football not rocket science. 3/3/20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 she deleted it and i didnt get a screenshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I believe that they will pay him this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dep13 said: What did it say? It's been deleted I put it underneath the link to the tweet she deleted jordan had a couple tweets earlier that I thought were fairly innocuous but Matt parrino was retweeting. Just said stuff about how he’s going to say what he thinks from now on on twitter. Oh goodie. He deleted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Here we go... https://twitter.com/rachel__bush/status/1234971722262073344?s=21 aaand she deleted it already @rachel_bush They either pay him what he’s worth or he goes else where. It’s football not rocket science. 3/3/20 is this tampering? ? Edited March 3, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 People will think I’m overstating things, but this here is why the team needs to bring in a veteran leader. With LorAx gone, someone needs to be able to pull a kid like Poyer aside and tell him how to go about this to get what he wants. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Here we go... https://twitter.com/rachel__bush/status/1234971722262073344?s=21 aaand she deleted it already @rachel_bush They either pay him what he’s worth or he goes else where. It’s football not rocket science. 3/3/20 “Goes elsewhere” after the season? He’s a FA in 2021 right? Probably a good draft to find his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, WMDman said: I believe that they will pay him this offseason God I hope not. His coverage and tackling were awful last year. I'd much rather find his replacement now and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: People will think I’m overstating things, but this here is why the team needs to bring in a veteran leader. With LorAx gone, someone needs to be able to pull a kid like Poyer aside and tell him how to go about this to get what he wants. Hes 28 years old and has played for 3 teams. If he doesn't know how it works by now then I don't think hes meant to get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: People will think I’m overstating things, but this here is why the team needs to bring in a veteran leader. With LorAx gone, someone needs to be able to pull a kid like Poyer aside and tell him how to go about this to get what he wants. poyer’s agent should be telling him (and his wife) that. but you’re right finding that replacement leader for Lorax is important. Hey maybe it’s someone already in the room who’ll emerge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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