DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Another Rule also says all scoring plays have to be video reviewed. It was ruled a scoring play on the field. they changed that rule too. That's why the backup refs ran on the field. They got the ref to change the call on the field so that it didn't need to be reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: @dave mcbride-"Touchdown!" The "Intent" was there so we will give it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, DCOrange said: That's why the backup refs ran on the field. They got the ref to change the call on the field so that it didn't need to be reviewed. You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point. They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review. Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, DCOrange said: They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review. Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place? If so, when and where. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point. Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, DCOrange said: They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review. Would love to see even one other time. 1 minute ago, Mojo44 said: Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call. I have never, ever seen a scoring play overturned by the men in black and without video replay. If this happens all the time I have yet to see it. Would love any evidence to the contrary 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place? If so, when and where. It's hard to give specifics on this because it's never been a big deal before. But for example, I'm sure you've probably seen instances where a runner is down near the goal line and one ref signals TD while the other signals that he was short. Then they have a huddle together before ultimately making their call. And then if that call is a touchdown, they review it. In this case, they huddled up and decided that their call was a touchback (which was wrong) and therefore, no review. It sucks because we literally saw the one official initially rule a TD and then another ref initially call a penalty, but after their huddle (with the backup refs), they ultimately decided on a touchback and no review. The only part that hasn't been done before is having the backup refs run onto the field to interrupt them and I suspect they did that because they knew if it was called a TD on the field, they couldn't overturn it since there was no rule to support overturning it. Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: You seem to really want to litigate this and win on some sort of technicality, "Some sort of technicality" = NFL Rule Book. If it's going to be ignored, or set aside, for "common sense" ( "NFL officials" and "common sense" are an oxymoron), then why have a Rule Book at all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call. So, eff the rules????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: "Some sort of technicality" = NFL Rule Book. If it's going to be ignored, or set aside, for "common sense" ( "NFL officials" and "common sense" are an oxymoron), then why have a Rule Book at all? Imagine a game of chess, which football basically is, where any piece can move like the queen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call. Picking up a flag is a far cry from overturning a scoring play. With a scoring play there's no reason to even have a conference because all scores are AUTOMATICALLY REVIEWED!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The arguments if you can call them that for over-ruling the ref on the field are incredibly weak. Common sense and the player didn’t mean to do that about sums it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call. On a scoring play? Picking up a flag on PI or something is OK, but that is reviewable anyway. Or holding. But this was a SCORING PLAY. They are ALL to be reviewed. How was it the right call? Look, I'm not crying over this because we lost. We should have won anyway. But the NFL violated 2 of it's rules on that one play. Dude didn't give himself up and they didn't review it. That's what grates me. I already think the NFL queers it's calls to help certain teams at times. I don't think the whole thing is rigged, but things like this really make me wonder. I swore off the NBA years ago due this kind of nonsense. Seems to be getting worse in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, DCOrange said: They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review. I think this is true, but it still doesn’t excuse reversing an initial call on the field that was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It's hard to give specifics on this because it's never been a big deal before. But for example, I'm sure you've probably seen instances where a runner is down near the goal line and one ref signals TD while the other signals that he was short. Then they have a huddle together before ultimately making their call. And then if that call is a touchdown, they review it. In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback. The ONLY on-field signal was a TD. And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mannc said: I think this is true, but it still doesn’t excuse reversing an initial call on the field that was correct. 100% agreed. They obviously screwed up the ruling at the end of the day. I'm only trying to point out that they purposefully made sure that the official call on the field was a touchback because had they come out of that huddle and called it a touchdown, there's no way it would have been overturned. Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback. The ONLY on-field signal was a TD. And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed. Happens all the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback. The ONLY on-field signal was a TD. And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed. They were already huddling up before the backups came on the field, which means they wanted to discuss it before they made an official ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place? If so, when and where. Exactly...That's the rule...SCORING play...It was a scoring play...By rule there is only one way it can be reversed and that is by replay... Folks can say what they want about the spirit of the blah, blah, blah...They truth is there are a million different ways for NFL players to make boneheaded mistakes that cost their team TD's...This was one of the million...The difference in this one is they quite literally threw away the rule book in MULTIPLE ways to make a feel good (for the Texans) call... Did it cost the Bills the game? Nope...Was it the wrong call...Absolutely, by the rule book it was...And the time for "common sense" to prevail was not last Saturday...It was this coming year at the Owners meetings...Period..End of story...? Edited January 6, 2020 by KOKBILLS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Happens all the time Can you give me one example? Can you also give me another example of the substitution refs coming onto the field, to provide their interpretation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: Can you give me one example? Can you also give me another example of the substitution refs coming onto the field, to provide their interpretation? Of course! Just like everyone else who has made this claim has been able to provide evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Of course! Just like everyone else who has made this claim has been able to provide evidence! There's evidence of the refs - absent replay- changing the call of a scoring play when there was no call to the contrary made on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, DCOrange said: 100% agreed. They obviously screwed up the ruling at the end of the day. I'm only trying to point out that they purposefully made sure that the official call on the field was a touchback because had they come out of that huddle and called it a touchdown, there's no way it would have been overturned. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but in my mind it’s really a distinction without a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: There's evidence of the refs - absent replay- changing the call of a scoring play when there was no call to the contrary made on the field? Look back through this thread bro! Every post claiming this happens all the time has supplied concrete video proof to support the claim. I mean, they're definitely not just making things up and then providing zero evidence, that would be absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Look back through this thread bro! Every post claiming this happens all the time has supplied concrete video proof to support the claim. I mean, they're definitely not just making things up and then providing zero evidence, that would be absurd. Ah, well played. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 WOW lmao...16 pages on a topic thats a non-topic? Come on, no one can really be arguing that we should have been given the TD there right? I mean its clear he gave himself up, whining about its just being poor sports about the loss. ONE MILLION PERCENT no one would be claiming that was a TD had a Bills player been the one receiving and did that. Anyone who claims they would still see it as a TD for the kicking team had the Bills been receiving that kick and that happened is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Exactly...That's the rule...SCORING play...It was a scoring play...By rule there is only one way it can be reversed and that is by replay... Folks can say what they want about the spirit of the blah, blah, blah...They truth is there are a million different ways for NFL players to make boneheaded mistakes that cost their team TD's...This was one of the million...The difference in this one is they quite literally threw away the rule book in MULTIPLE ways to make a feel good (for the Texans) call... Did it cost the Bills the game? Nope...Was it the wrong call...Absolutely, by the rule book it was...And the time for "common sense" to prevail was not last Saturday...It was this coming year at the Owners meetings...Period..End of story...? 100% disagree. Had that been called correctly it would have shut up the crowd and given us major momentum in the 2nd half. Also, the 2nd half as we all watched it, would not have happened as it did... not one play, none of it. We should be playing the Chiefs this weekend, but instead a whole year worth of work went down the ***** drain because the NFL ***** this up royally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 That must be cleaned up this off-season. The ball must be downed in the endzone. Even with current rule, it was a wrong call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: WOW lmao...16 pages on a topic thats a non-topic? Come on, no one can really be arguing that we should have been given the TD there right? I mean its clear he gave himself up, whining about its just being poor sports about the loss. ONE MILLION PERCENT no one would be claiming that was a TD had a Bills player been the one receiving and did that. Anyone who claims they would still see it as a TD for the kicking team had the Bills been receiving that kick and that happened is lying. It wasn't clear to the back judge. You know, the guy who gets paid hefty sums a year to assess these things. What did you see that constitutes that he clearly "gave himself up"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: WOW lmao...16 pages on a topic thats a non-topic? Come on, no one can really be arguing that we should have been given the TD there right? I mean its clear he gave himself up, whining about its just being poor sports about the loss. ONE MILLION PERCENT no one would be claiming that was a TD had a Bills player been the one receiving and did that. Anyone who claims they would still see it as a TD for the kicking team had the Bills been receiving that kick and that happened is lying. Disagree. Did you watch the video I put up? Might have slipped to the last page depending on settings I suppose. Go to 5:15 if you are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: It wasn't clear to the back judge. You know, the guy who gets paid hefty sums a year to assess these things. What did you see that constitutes that he clearly "gave himself up"? Wasn't clear to Bills coverage team either. Pretty much the only people it was clear to were Booger McFarlane, Joe Tessitore, and @Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Wasn't clear to Bills coverage team either. Pretty much the only people it was clear to were Booger McFarlane, Joe Tessitore, and @Alphadawg7 You left out John Parry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: You left out John Parry. yes, he was parroting the "common sense" mantra that the refs chose to apply...instead of the rule book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Wasn't clear to Bills coverage team either. Pretty much the only people it was clear to were Booger McFarlane, Joe Tessitore, and @Alphadawg7 I think we should retroactively go back and overturn every play where a rookie pass catcher or runner forgot that theres a difference between NCAA and NFL rules, assumed he was down and voluntarily left a live ball in the field of play. These guys who make millions to play a game shouldn't be expected to understand the fundamental rules of the game and adhere to them. Particularly, the specialists who have one f@#$%ing job. Its the responsibility of the officials to make sure they can't affect the outcome of the game with their blithe indifference for the rules and general stupidity. Andre Roberts wasted so much energy kneeling this year. Its no wonder our return game sucked. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I think we should retroactively go back and overturn every play where a rookie pass catcher or runner forgot that theres a difference between NCAA and NFL rules, assumed he was down and voluntarily left a live ball in the field of play. These guys who make millions to play a game shouldn't be expected to understand the fundamental rules of the game and adhere to them. Particularly, the specialists who have one f@#$%ing job. Its the responsibility of the officials to make sure they can't affect the outcome of the game with their blithe indifference for the rules and general stupidity. Andre Roberts wasted so much energy kneeling this year. Its no wonder our return game sucked. I’m surprised the NFLPA hasn’t bargained kneeling out of the game already. It’s a tremendous burden on the returner and it’s so difficult to officiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The rule, is the rule. You cant pick and choose a rule to make the game more entertaining and enjoyable. The Texans returnman made an incredible mistake. He caught a ball he should have let go for a touchback. He then forgot to kneel before giving up the ball. This is no different than any other kneel down or fair catch situation. To end a game s QBs down get a snap and turn around and hand a ball to the ref. They kneel first. That Td effectively ends the game. The NFL didnt want the majority of the the viewers to turn channel when its 20-0. If Buffalo did the same thing it would have been a "Billsy" thing to do. It was a Texan thing to do because they melted down in every playoff game under Obrien. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: WOW lmao...16 pages on a topic thats a non-topic? Come on, no one can really be arguing that we should have been given the TD there right? I mean its clear he gave himself up, whining about its just being poor sports about the loss. ONE MILLION PERCENT no one would be claiming that was a TD had a Bills player been the one receiving and did that. Anyone who claims they would still see it as a TD for the kicking team had the Bills been receiving that kick and that happened is lying. Sorry Dude, you're one million percent wrong. You cant read my mind,or discern my intent (unlike the menin black). As a Bills fan, if the shoe was on the other foot,I would've. Said "wow, we really dodged a bullet there. That should have be a Texan TD" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Hey @Alphadawg7 what if he did everything the same except at the last second realized some of the Bills players had started walking to the sideline? Then ran it it back for a TD? by rule that’s a TD and the bills should have been more attentive. I think the same standard should be held to the returner. The ref even waved his hand at him warning him not to toss it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: It wasn't clear to the back judge. You know, the guy who gets paid hefty sums a year to assess these things. What did you see that constitutes that he clearly "gave himself up"? Did it remain a TD? No, so apparently it was clear to them. There is literally nothing to discuss here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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