Bills to play most of the team vs. Jets including Josh Allen

[row_33]

If it works out fine I like it

 

if it turns out to be a disaster I don’t like it

 

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by row_33

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Now list all the players that haven't missed a game due to injury.  Of course injury is a risk.  Everything in life is a risk unless you want to put yourself in a bubble.  Then again that's a risk because your house can burn down on top of your bubble.  You can get injured doing anything, anywhere, anytime.

 

Stop worrying about it.

 

 

I’m sorry, but that’s a ridiculous argument. Let me ask the question a different way. Do you agree that playing in an NFL football game increases the chance of sustaining an injury? 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

If it works out fine I like it

 

if it turns out to be a disaster I don’t like it

 

 

 

I'd be ok with it if it wasn't Greg Williams defense. Being that it is, I just don't know man, I mean I wouldn't put anything past those dirty *****.

[Kirby Jackson]

Let me ask one more question on that. Which of these scenarios do you prefer?

 

- A) Bills beat the Jets 35-0 and outgain them 5-1. Josh Allen suffers a high ankle sprain and won’t play for 4 to 6 weeks.

 

- B) Bills get beat 35-0 and are outgained 5-1. They enter the following week with the same health as this week

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m sorry, but that’s a ridiculous argument. Let me ask the question a different way. Do you agree that playing in an NFL football game increases the chance of sustaining an injury? 

 

Versus sitting at home? yeah. It makes no difference. Kolb got knocked out slipping on a rubber mat at practice.  Again, unless you want these guys to never leave their house until gameday, you won't convince me that they are at any more risk.  How many non contact injuries happen at practice in preseason?  All the damn time.  These are professional athletes that get paid well to play football.  Im not going to stress over some guys playing for a quarter.  I wouldn't even stress if they were playing the whole game.

 

I feel it benefits them to get as much REAL GAME experience that they can get.  The Jets game is REAL GAME experience.

[MDH]

4 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

If resting players will help them tackle better....rest 'em!

 

If playing players will help them tackle better....play 'em!

 

Tackling was horrible agains the Pats. Too many yards after first contact!

They missed 16 tackles vs the Pats. They also missed 16 tackles vs the Steelers.
 

In fact, the Bills D has the 2nd most missed tackles in the NFL was his season. It’s been an issue for awhile.

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Let me ask one more question on that. Which of these scenarios do you prefer?

 

- A) Bills beat the Jets 35-0 and outgain them 5-1. Josh Allen suffers a high ankle sprain and won’t play for 4 to 6 weeks.

 

- B) Bills get beat 35-0 and are outgained 5-1. They enter the following week with the same health as this week

 

A) Allen doesn't play this week.  Stays healthy for playoff game.

   Allen gets knocked out of playoff game on the first play

 

B) Allen plays this week gets injured

    Allen cant play first game

 

Do either of these scenarios make one bit of difference on the result?

Edited December 24, 2019 by Scott7975

[Putin]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Have you seen how this team plays after the bye week? Not a big deal for most of the players.., They are mostly a young team, reps are important...

[MDH]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Versus sitting at home? yeah. It makes no difference. Kolb got knocked out slipping on a rubber mat at practice.  Again, unless you want these guys to never leave their house until gameday, you won't convince me that they are at any more risk.  How many non contact injuries happen at practice in preseason? 

 

There’s a difference between, “there’s no such thing as being absolutely safe” and “it makes no difference what you do.”

 

Playing football poses a bigger risk of injury than sitting on the sideline. If you don’t understand that I don’t know what to tell you.

 

You’re argument is utterly ridiculous. I’m sure those who are debating this issue and are on your side would prefer it if you sat this one out.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Versus sitting at home? yeah. It makes no difference. Kolb got knocked out slipping on a rubber mat at practice.  Again, unless you want these guys to never leave their house until gameday, you won't convince me that they are at any more risk.  How many non contact injuries happen at practice in preseason?  All the damn time.  These are professional athletes that get paid well to play football.  Im not going to stress over some guys playing for a quarter.  I wouldn't even stress if they were playing the whole game.

 

I feel it benefits them to get as much REAL GAME experience that they can get.  The Jets game is REAL GAME experience.

Then why bring up the “you could get hit by a bus argument?” We both agree that guys are more likely to get hurt playing in an NFL game. You just said that. I’m saying “I’d rather see Josh Allen stand on the sidelines and not get hurt.” You are saying “I want him to play even though he is more likely to get hurt.”

 

Again, the “game experience” argument is BS. We have won after every loss this year so we bounce back fine. We scored 31 points out of the bye, 2nd highest of the year. Maybe rest is the key to being sharp? There is nothing to support rest not helping. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Then why bring up the “you could get hit by a bus argument?” We both agree that guys are more likely to get hurt playing in an NFL game. You just said that. I’m saying “I’d rather see Josh Allen stand on the sidelines and not get hurt.” You are saying “I want him to play even though he is more likely to get hurt.”

 

Again, the “game experience” argument is BS. We have won after every loss this year so we bounce back fine. We scored 31 points out of the bye, 2nd highest of the year. Maybe rest is the key to being sharp? There is nothing to support rest not helping. 

 

The argument is not BS.  You can't tell me that players don't get better as they play more football. If they didn't then Josh would have been a terrible draft selection.  

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

A) Allen doesn't play this week.  Stays healthy for playoff game.

B) Allen gets knocked out of playoff game on the first play

 

A) Allen plays this week gets injured

B) Allen cant play first game

 

Do either of these scenarios make one bit of difference on the result?

Yep, it is a HUGE difference!!!  If you get hurt in a meaningful game so be it. It’s the 4th preseason game argument!! You have nothing to gain getting hurt then. If you get hurt when it matters, it happens. If you get hurt when it doesn’t matter it’s a TERRIBLE decision. 

 

I’m sorry but if you can’t see the difference between the importance of this game and the game the following week we should stop talking. This is a RIDICULOUS argument. It’s kind of beyond ridiculous. If you want guys to play, we disagree. If you think getting hurt in a game that means nothing and getting hurt in a playoff game are the same thing we VEHEMENTLY disagree.

[transplantbillsfan]

I get it for Allen. I really do. He needs reps and muscle memory.

 

I suspect they won't play the starters the entire game.

 

Guessing they sit guys after a quarter or two 

[Putin]

45 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

OMGoodness!!  Josh could trip down his own stairs on the way to practice too.

If God forbid anything happens to Josh 

i will find you and I will ??⛏⚰️

Kidding ?

Edited December 24, 2019 by Putin

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The argument is not BS.  You can't tell me that players don't get better as they play more football. If they didn't then Josh would have been a terrible draft selection.  

The Bills didn’t. They played well off rest. That’s a fact. The Bills are 5-0 off a bye since 2015 (best win percentage in the NFL).

Edited December 24, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t like it personally. There is NO upside imo. What do you guys think?

 

 

 

that just says a majority will play.  not for how long.  

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yep, it is a HUGE difference!!!  If you get hurt in a meaningful game so be it. It’s the 4th preseason game argument!! You have nothing to gain getting hurt then. If you get hurt when it matters, it happens. If you get hurt when it doesn’t matter it’s a TERRIBLE decision. 

 

I’m sorry but if you can’t see the difference between the importance of this game and the game the following week we should stop talking. This is a RIDICULOUS argument. It’s kind of beyond ridiculous. If you want guys to play, we disagree. If you think getting hurt in a game that means nothing and getting hurt in a playoff game are the same thing we VEHEMENTLY disagree.

 

There is no difference other than your perception.  The end result is the same.  If he got hurt in practice and it happens just as much as in a game. The result is still the same. Is practice meaningful to you?

5 minutes ago, Putin said:

If God forbid anything happens to Josh 

i will find you and I will ??⛏⚰️

 

So come find me.  It still wouldn't make a bit of difference.  Ironically I live on "Allen St."  and I have to pass by "Brady St." Every damn day on the way to work.

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills didn’t. They played well off rest. That’s a fact. The Bills are 5-0 off a bye since 2015 (beat win percentage in the NFL).

 

So you are saying that Josh has not gotten better over the course of the season?  The whole team has.  Even the coaching.

Edited December 24, 2019 by Scott7975

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

If God forbid anything happens to Josh 

i will find you and I will ??⛏⚰️

But according to Twist of Fate we are better off with Barkley in there, so why worry??

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

There is no difference other than your perception.  The end result is the same.  If he got hurt in practice and it happens just as much as in a game. The result is still the same. Is practice meaningful to you?

 

So come find me.  It still wouldn't make a bit of difference.

 

So you are saying that Josh has not gotten better over the course of the season?

You are more likely to get hurt playing an NFL game than not. If Josh Allen stands on the sideline on Sunday he is less likely to get hurt than playing. You’ve already agreed. He is going to do one of those two things. My opinion is “do what is less likely to injure him.” You are saying “do what is more likely to injure him.” We aren’t even debating that. We are in agreement.

 

Josh has gotten better. The next week’s game hasn’t always been better than the week before. It’s been some up and down but Josh is improving. He’s going to be good and he’s tough in big games. It would be a disaster if he didn’t have a chance in the biggest game of his career.

Edited December 24, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Scott7975]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

You are more likely to get hurt playing an NFL game than not. If Josh Allen stands on the sideline on Sunday he is less likely to get hurt than playing. You’ve already agreed. He is going to do one of those two things. My opinion is “do what is less likely to injure him.” You are saying “do what is more likely to injure him.” We aren’t even debating that. We are in agreement.

 

Yeah but its not flipping a coin or anything.  Again... people lose their whole season just from practice.  They don't have to play football to get injured.  I think the pro of getting more experience is worth the same risk he has every day of his life anyways.

 

You haven't answered... is practice meaningless to you?

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, youngjebrey said:

I trust whatever McDermott decides to do Sunday. If he said he was starting Cory bojoquez behind center all game I’d trust it. Coach of the year!

I like him too but if he did that it would be crazy, especially when we're on D.  Offside every play.  What is the point?

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah but its not flipping a coin or anything.  Again... people lose their whole season just from practice.  They don't have to play football to get injured.  I think the pro of getting more experience is worth the same risk he has every day of his life anyways.

 

You haven't answered... is practice meaningless to you?

He won’t be practicing Sunday. He will be playing a game (the place you are most likely to get hurt) or NOT playing in a game. I’m fine with non-contact practice. If he gets hurt there it’s bad luck. If he gets hurt in the game it’s unnecessary exposure.

[Happy]

I agree with not resting most of the starters.  They came out flat after the bye week earlier this season and didn't exactly play real well against Miami, especially in the first three quarters.  Can't have that vs Texans or they could be one and done.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Seattle just lost their top 3 RBs and chances for SB have taken a big turn. Like it or not, injury randomness and management are huge things. Why tempt fate?

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He won’t be practicing Sunday. He will be playing a game (the place you are most likely to get hurt) or NOT playing in a game. I’m fine with non-contact practice. If he gets hurt there it’s bad luck. If he gets hurt in the game it’s unnecessary exposure.

 

Playing in a game is the best practice you can have.

[Magox]

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Let me ask one more question on that. Which of these scenarios do you prefer?

 

- A) Bills beat the Jets 35-0 and outgain them 5-1. Josh Allen suffers a high ankle sprain and won’t play for 4 to 6 weeks.

 

- B) Bills get beat 35-0 and are outgained 5-1. They enter the following week with the same health as this week

Or option

 

C). Bills starters get in more of a rhythm for following week in the playoffs and sustain no injuries.

 

 

The choice you laid out didn’t include the rationale of why you play the starters.

 

With that said, personally I would rather have them not play the starters that much and rest them for the bye week.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Playing in a game is the best practice you can have.

Oh I agree 100%. I just don’t think Josh is much different the following week with or without that 1 practice. It isn’t just Josh either because you can multiply it by every important guy. Anyone getting dinged is a mess.

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

Or option

 

C). Bills starters get in more of a rhythm for following week in the playoffs and sustain no injuries.

 

 

The choice you laid out didn’t include the rationale of why you play the starters.

 

With that said, personally I would rather have them not play the starters that much and rest them for the bye week.

They are 5-0 off their last 5 byes. We do we think that rhythm is better than rest?

[Magox]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh I agree 100%. I just don’t think Josh is much different the following week with or without that 1 practice. It isn’t just Josh either because you can multiply it by every important guy. Anyone getting dinged is a mess.

They are 5-0 off their last 5 byes. We do we think that rhythm is better than rest?

That’s not the argument I am making.

 

What I’m saying is that you are completely discounting the other side of the coin.  As I said in my original post, preferably I would rest all the main contributors.

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Playing in a game is the best practice you can have.

So the injury rate is the same at 7 days OR 14 days? I wonder what the injury rate is like at 7 AND 14 days? I don’t have the data in front of me but I’d have to think that people are more likely to get hurt playing 2 NFL games than 1?

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

That’s not the argument I am making.

 

What I’m saying is that you are completely discounting the other side of the coin.  As I said in my original post, preferably I would rest all the main contributors.

I’m discounting it in this case because there is ZERO upside. Even if it was as little as moving from the 6 seed to the 5 seed I’d be fine with it. The Bills could play the best game in franchise history or the worst and be in the exact same place the following week. 
 

The flip side of the coin is the value of “rhythm” but the Bills have been good off of rest. McDermott hasn’t lost off of a bye. Maybe an extra week of health and prep is MORE important than rhythm? 
 

Our queen has spoken:

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I agree with not resting most of the starters.  They came out flat after the bye week earlier this season and didn't exactly play real well against Miami, especially in the first three quarters.  Can't have that vs Texans or they could be one and done.  

 

Yes and they've also simply not played well enough in the past 3 weeks to advance far in the playoffs.

 

The objective is not to win 1 game..........it's to win ALL of them.

 

Health is great to have and if you are peaking and your key players are older then it's a no brainer to rest them............but that is not the case on either count.........they need the work on both sides of the football.

 

I'd hate to see them get an injury that hurts their chances in the WC game............but THE LAST thing I want to see them do is come out flat and embarrass themselves with an uncompetitive effort in Houston when we knew full well that they weren't peaking going into week 17 and needed the work.     

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

We could make a run in the playoffs, but aren’t a realistic contender for winning the Super Bowl. If we were a contender with an experienced QB, I’d say sit the starters. Our guys need experience, and Allen is just as likely to get hurt next preseason. It’s not all about this postseason, it’s about building a sustainable future. Getting reps helps with that. If someone does get hurt, are we really going to say that’s the reason we didn’t win the Super Bowl? This is all about the big picture,  not just this postseason. 

McD was annoyed after the Pats game.  Defense gave up 450 yards.  If defense played well maybe they win.  A lot of missed tackles.  McD trying to get the team playoff ready and clean up some stuff.  Is there some risk playing starters against Jets? Yes. 

 

McD has changed the culture at OBD and he's trying to build the expectation of competing in the playoffs every year or close to it.  They are a young team and McD is leading the way.  

 

It's not what I expected but I'm giving McD the benefit of the doubt.  He's with these guys every day and he's been in the league a long time.  Two playoff appearances in three years with the Bills.  Usually this time of year, we're talking about tanking the last game and what draft spot are we getting.  A breath of fresh air.  Kick ass McD!!

[Georgia Bill]

5 hours ago, TPS said:

I hope they try long bombs at least a dozen times; get that shite down!

Exactly what I was thinking.  Bombs away

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like Mr. Rachel Bush is ready for the offseason to start.    I actually thought the regular season was when he got a rest from the "teen mom" drama that he's made his life into.

 

If you as a team want week 17 off don't play your worst game in week 16.

 

If you NEED it off because you are hurting then let the coach know.........otherwise STFU and let the other players WAGs speak for themselves.

[Bakin]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Here are some stars that have missed games this year because of injury: Dalvin Cook, Chris Carson, Drew Brees, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Pat Peterson, Patrick Mahomes, and Alvin Kamara. I could name dozens more but won’t. Every single one of those guys was injured WHILE playing NFL football. If you don’t think that injuries happen in NFL games I don’t know what to tell you. Sticking your fingers in your ears yelling “la la la la la la la la” doesn’t change the risk of playing this game at this level. 
 

They have ZERO to gain!!!!! This isn’t complicated. All that can happen is bad stuff. If they win 52-0 and look like a machine what advantages do they get in their championship pursuit?

They scored 31 points off their bye. The Bills are 4-0 off of a loss coming into this week. I’m not sure how one can reasonably make the “contagious” argument? It isn’t real.

But the bye is part of their schedule. - taking off week 17 is not. 
 

just playing devils advocate here but I can really see both sides. 
 

I would compromise and say ‘play the first 2-3 series’ and call it a regular season. 

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, Georgia Bill said:

Exactly what I was thinking.  Bombs away

he hit twice on the Pats, they should work on earning a drive with 3 first downs 

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, Putin said:

Then explain why Baltimore has a bye week and still will rest their starters this Sunday??

They are the number one seed, and a more veteran team.

[zow2]

Big deal.  Some of the important starters may Only play a series, a quarter or a half. They can get hurt in practice too.  The only ones I would sit for sure or play very sparingly are Tre, Singletary and possibly Milano. 

[SirAndrew]

37 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

McD was annoyed after the Pats game.  Defense gave up 450 yards.  If defense played well maybe they win.  A lot of missed tackles.  McD trying to get the team playoff ready and clean up some stuff.  Is there some risk playing starters against Jets? Yes. 

 

McD has changed the culture at OBD and he's trying to build the expectation of competing in the playoffs every year or close to it.  They are a young team and McD is leading the way.  

 

It's not what I expected but I'm giving McD the benefit of the doubt.  He's with these guys every day and he's been in the league a long time.  Two playoff appearances in three years with the Bills.  Usually this time of year, we're talking about tanking the last game and what draft spot are we getting.  A breath of fresh air.  Kick ass McD!!

Great post, and good points. I think it’s fair to give McD the benefit of doubt. I’ll take a meticulous attention to detail and desire to improve over complacency. There is absolutely a risk, but they have been attempting to build a culture. Taking every opportunity to improve, and playing to win every game is a culture thing. 

[RobbRiddick]

Sorry guys, this is my doing. I messaged coach and told him I'm on record predicting 11-5 this season. Since I am rarely right about anything he took pity on me 

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Big deal.  Some of the important starters may Only play a series, a quarter or a half. They can get hurt in practice too.  The only ones I would sit for sure or play very sparingly are Tre, Singletary and possibly Milano. 

They could get hurt at any point. For example, is a Josh Allen injury this Sunday or next preseason worse? An injury to a guy like Allen at any point is detrimental to this franchise. It could happen at any time. Imo, anyone in an uproar about Allen playing this Sunday should be opposed to him playing at all next preseason.