GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, finn said: The O-line played better than people are saying here. If a team blitzes it's on the quarterback to get the ball out quickly, and Allen often didn't. When he did, he overthrew his receivers or they dropped the ball (Singletary, Beasley, Knox). The Ravens came up with a good defense against Allen: Blitz hard, make him think fast and hit him hard every chance you get. It's easy to fault Daboll, but he did ok. I like how he put Singletary at receiver, and he tried to take what they were giving him. But where were the screens against the blitz? And why not more intermediate routes for the tight ends? This is totally correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, london_bills said: I thought that was right on the money, I heard others say it should of been a yard or so in front of brown. I suppose that makes sense as the defender couldn't get there if it was. It looked perfect to me but id love to know how accurate that was from a former QB. Um, are you saying im a former QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I will be curious what the ravens say about our defense. They have been unstoppable for most of the season and were mostly held in check today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said: Well, for one, Cole Beasley’s flop on that long pass just made Pro Soccer’s Top-Flop List for 2019. Buffalo ran that “NE PICK” play to perfection on the TD. Yes, it was an illegal pick. And hold. And, no, it is seldom/never called when run as smoothly as BUF did today. Within a yard of LOS is legal tf...football much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, london_bills said: Hi Ravens fan, not to be too provocative but it would be interesting to get your opinion of josh Allen today? I could not care less what a Ravens fan has say about Josh Allen. Why would I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Um, are you saying im a former QB? Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, JR in Pittsburgh said: I will be curious what the ravens say about our defense. They have been unstoppable for most of the season and were mostly held in check today. Andrews going out early took a lot of their offenes away. Especially two TE plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, FLFan said: I could not care less what a Ravens fan has say about Josh Allen. Why would I? Because it would probably be a more objective answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said: PI isn’t called when feet get tangled. Beasley flopped like a Duke Blue Devil in the Final Four. watch his arms. Defender tugged Beasley’s jersey. Definitely PI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I'm looking forward to when Josh grows older and loses a bit of his arm strength. ALL those long throws will just perfect then. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I will be curious what the ravens say about our defense. They have been unstoppable for most of the season and were mostly held in check today. I am more curious as to what they say about our offence actually. We know the D is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: Because it would probably be a more objective answer. No, it would be Ravens fan opinion. I saw the game and can form my own opinions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, london_bills said: Haha. Wasnt sure lol, it read it as that though. As a not ever QB it was Friggin perfect !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Freak-O said: I'm looking forward to when Josh grows older and loses a bit of his arm strength. ALL those long throws will just perfect then. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said: Well, for one, Cole Beasley’s flop on that long pass just made Pro Soccer’s Top-Flop List for 2019. Buffalo ran that “NE PICK” play to perfection on the TD. Yes, it was an illegal pick. And hold. And, no, it is seldom/never called when run as smoothly as BUF did today. It wasn't called because its legal within one yard which I would have to see a replay but I think it was within one yard. I think I agree with the Beasley one. That did look like a pretty good acting job. 11 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Wasn't there a fumble overturned because refs thought Earl Thomas roughed after the play? No because we recovered it. 8 minutes ago, finn said: The O-line played better than people are saying here. If a team blitzes it's on the quarterback to get the ball out quickly, and Allen often didn't. When he did, he overthrew his receivers or they dropped the ball (Singletary, Beasley, Knox). The Ravens came up with a good defense against Allen: Blitz hard, make him think fast and hit him hard every chance you get. It's easy to fault Daboll, but he did ok. I like how he put Singletary at receiver, and he tried to take what they were giving him. But where were the screens against the blitz? And why not more intermediate routes for the tight ends? Not a bad loss, all things considered. They never quit, the defense showed that it's elite. We're still a tackle and WR away on offense, and Allen needs to keep developing. Amazing he's come along this far already. Been a fun season. Go KC! No. The line allowed jail breaks. QB had zero time. Pats just had ran one of their blitzes on KC. KC line held. In order to get the ball out fast there has to be someone to get the ball out fast to. Edited December 8, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FLFan said: No, it would be Ravens fan opinion. I saw the game and can form my own opinions. If you have formed your own opinions then why are you threatened by what an opposing team fan thinks. It could be a 'he sucks' thing yes but there can be an interesting perspective if you get an honest fan of another team. It doesnt mean it changes ones opinion. Its just football talk. You can always tell if another team, fans are actually scared of your better players by what they say/don't say though! 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wasnt sure lol, it read it as that though. As a not ever QB it was Friggin perfect !!! No I just meant id like to hear what a QB thinks aswell. Can it be in the perfect place if a defender makes a play on it is my point Edited December 8, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpsnation Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 *Warning - Ravens fan post* Hey all, hope things aren't too raw right now. I said before that I hope both of our teams brought their A game, and after watching, I feel that only our defenses did just that. Think everyone was left wanting more from our respective offenses. Hoping the injuries that we saw on both sides are nothing too serious. After how close this game was, I am definitely not looking forward to a potential rematch in the playoffs. Would much prefer facing almost any other team in the AFC, which I think is a massive testament to the physicality of your team this year. If the Ravens aren't the ones going to the Superbowl, I'll be right there with you rooting for the Bills. Best of luck with the rest of your season, and thanks again for all of the great analysis over the past week. 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, finn said: If a team blitzes it's on the quarterback to get the ball out quickly, and Allen often didn't. I mean this is over simplifying things quite a bit. If it was that easy to beat a blitz then teams wouldn't blitz. The QB has to make a quick decision AND someone has to pick up the extra rusher AND someone has to get open quickly. It also helps if the play calling accounts for the blitz. Considering Baltimore blitzes more than anyone else in the league we shouldn't have been surprised. It's hard to move the ball when the pocket is always a mess. Edited December 8, 2019 by HappyDays 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: If you have formed your own opinions then why are you threatened by what an opposing team fan thinks. It could be a 'he sucks' thing yes but there can be an interesting perspective if you get an honest fan of another team. It doesnt mean it changes ones opinion. Its just football talk. You can always tell if another team, fans are actually scared of your better players by what they say/don't say though! No I just meant id like to hear what a QB thinks aswell. Can it be in the perfect place if a defender makes a play on it is my point Definitely, the Defense makes big plays too. He could of been a little more ahead but hindsight is 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InheritedBillsfan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Ravens (1st) -and- Bills (2nd) fan here. Gotta say this was a nail biter pretty much from start to finish. Very physical game on both sides of the ball, reminded me of the early 2000 games between the Ravens and Steelers. I was very impressed with the fortitude the Bills showed today, and as I expected, they came out and hit the Ravens back in the mouth, sometimes more-so than the Ravens were able to do. I have seen several Bills games this season but feel as though the Bills have started putting things together more over the last few games, and this game in particular will only make this team fight harder down the road to the playoffs. They disrupted the Ravens run game like I have not seen yet this season, limited Lamar Jackson's effectiveness on the ground better than any team thus far, and essentially got the Ravens off their game plan. While I felt as though the Ravens were getting too cute early in the game and in the 2nd quarter with some of their offensive play calling, the Bills defense is for real and should have success against their remaining opponents this season. Offensively Josh Allen faced one of his toughest opponents this season, and the offensive line certainly did not do him any favors. While the Ravens mixed up their blitz packages, I feel as though the offensive line could have done more to limit how many times he got hit. It's obvious Josh is a playmaker and the current and future of the Bills organization. He does have room to grow as does Lamar the Ravens defense got in his head and forced him into mistakes. He does sometimes hold onto the ball too long, but I give him credit for hanging in the pocket and trying to make something out of nothing. Overall, this game could have went either way. Both teams making stupid, sometimes questionable penalties, and both offenses were off their game. Hoping the Bills run the table on their remaining schedule and curb stomp the Steelers and Patriots the next few weeks. Best of luck the remaining season and would love to see these two teams meet again in the post season...only in Baltimore. Cheers. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said: Well, for one, Cole Beasley’s flop on that long pass just made Pro Soccer’s Top-Flop List for 2019. Buffalo ran that “NE PICK” play to perfection on the TD. Yes, it was an illegal pick. And hold. And, no, it is seldom/never called when run as smoothly as BUF did today. Enjoy the season with Lamar, this will be your best chance to win the SB. I left the game less impressed with Jackson and more assured he is another runner who throws when he has too. He can’t read defenses. Lamar has the perfect OC, Roman made Tyrod look decent. Unfortunately the player will have to develop or defenses will shut him down like the Bills did for the most part today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Beasley drop... Brown drop, were killers. We played like an upper-tier team, though, so not all is lost. In fact, change a couple variables and we beat the current best team in football. This season is not over lady and gentlemen. Go Bills!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Today is the first time since the New England game Allen struck me as rattled. However, longer term, Anyone that might think the current stable of WRs is good enough to beat the best need to watch this game. He needs to be able to hit those deep passes. Eliminate teams from blitzing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, london_bills said: If you have formed your own opinions then why are you threatened by what an opposing team fan thinks. It could be a 'he sucks' thing yes but there can be an interesting perspective if you get an honest fan of another team. It doesnt mean it changes ones opinion. Its just football talk. You can always tell if another team, fans are actually scared of your better players by what they say/don't No I just meant id like to hear what a QB thinks aswell. Can it be in the perfect place if a defender makes a play on it is my point You mss the point. I am certainly not threatened. I do not need my own observations validated by fans of the other team. I simply do not care what they think. Nor do I need to be validated by the national media or any other Bills fans, thank you very much. I watch this team every week. I know what I see. Why would I care if other fans are scared of our players? The last pass was a good pass. The Ravens defender made a great play. They have a very good defense. If these teams played 10 times it would be surprising if it was not 5 and 5. That is how closely matched these teams are. On to Pittsburgh, which by the way, is not in Buffalos’ league no matter what any Pittsburgh fan might think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Not happy with the outcome but we hung in there with maybe the best team in the league. No moral victories though. Let’s get the actual victories and go freak out another fan base in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Beasley drop... Brown drop, were killers. We played like an upper-tier team, though, so not all is lost. In fact, change a couple variables and we beat the current best team in football. This season is not over lady and gentlemen. Go Bills!! Combined with an Allen ankle injury which in all likelihood altered the Daboll game plan. I'm hoping for a rematch in the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InheritedBillsfan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Enjoy the season with Lamar, this will be your best chance to win the SB. I left the game less impressed with Jackson and more assured he is another runner who throws when he has too. He can’t read defenses. Lamar has the perfect OC, Roman made Tyrod look decent. Unfortunately the player will have to develop or defenses will shut him down like the Bills did for the most part today. The Bills defense definitely got Lamar off his rhythm today and limited what he could do on the ground as well. Probably the least effective I have seen Lamar as of late. I wouldn't say that Lamar is a run-first quarterback. He does have 28 TD passes on the season and had 3 more today. It would be like an untrained eye saying Josh isn't a pass first quarterback because he has half the rushing TD's as he does passing. Neither quarterback had their best game and it is probably due to the windy conditions, being young, as well as the defenses taking away the pass game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, InheritedBillsfan said: The Bills defense definitely got Lamar off his rhythm today and limited what he could do on the ground as well. Probably the least effective I have seen Lamar as of late. I wouldn't say that Lamar is a run-first quarterback. He does have 28 TD passes on the season and had 3 more today. It would be like an untrained eye saying Josh isn't a pass first quarterback because he has half the rushing TD's as he does passing. Neither quarterback had their best game and it is probably due to the windy conditions, being young, as well as the defenses taking away the pass game. Jackson has more rush attempts than some RBs. He is absolutely a run first QB, that’s the whole point of running read option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They were better than us with the speed of their offense. We countered it pretty well, but they have the best natural flow, speed-wise, that I've seen since the Oregon Ducks helmed by Dennis Dixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Still a good day...we hung tough and had a chance. Now we just need some losses and we are good. Other teams aren't looking good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:The Bills defense definitely got Lamar off his rhythm today and limited what he could do on the ground as well. Probably the least effective I have seen Lamar as of late. I wouldn't say that Lamar is a run-first quarterback. He does have 28 TD passes on the season and had 3 more today. It would be like an untrained eye saying Josh isn't a pass first quarterback because he has half the rushing TD's as he does passing. Neither quarterback had their best game and it is probably due to the windy conditions, being young, as well as the defenses taking away the pass game. Jackson was unimpressive today against a good defense. Erratic and clearly limited as a passer. The long TD was a blown coverage by Buffalo. Kudos to him for seeing it I guess, but a high school QB couldn’t have made that throw. On the their last TD, it was a terrible pass and a spectacular catch. He made some plays but he wasn’t hardly the model of a top QB today. On other days he does not get so lucky. I hope the Bills draw this team in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, FLFan said: You mss the point. I am certainly not threatened. I do not need my own observations validated by fans of the other team. I simply do not care what they think. Nor do I need to be validated by the national media or any other Bills fans, thank you very much. I watch this team every week. I know what I see. Why would I care if other fans are scared of our players? The last pass was a good pass. The Ravens defender made a great play. They have a very good defense. If these teams played 10 times it would be surprising if it was not 5 and 5. That is how closely matched these teams are. On to Pittsburgh, which by the way, is not in Buffalos’ league no matter what any Pittsburgh fan might think. Yes and I think you miss the point. naturally there is a big 'bills fan vibe' that comes through in what your saying. Your comment about 'Pittsburgh not in buffalo's league no matter what' is saying that buffalo are way better than the Steelers and will win. No guarantees after today's offensive performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InheritedBillsfan Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Jackson has more rush attempts than some RBs. He is absolutely a run first QB, that’s the whole point of running read option. He's really not, but ok. Take it from someone who has seen every snap of this kids NFL career so far, or the few games you've seen. Lamar is not a run first quarterback, but he is dual threat. He does what he needs to make a play and takes what the defense gives him, such as his 3 TD passes today and 0 rushing TD's. Take a look at his season stats and it should be an objective opinion: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson He will have over 400 passing attempts on the season and in excess of 30 passing TD's. Bottom line, the kid wins and is a multi-talent and despite anyone thinking he is a running back in a quarterbacks position, he can win through the air or on the ground when necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Gore is becoming a liability on offense. If a defense has a strong front, Gore is rendered useless. He's not fast enough to get outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Any word on what happened on that broken long TD by the ravens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiezzz Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Not sold on Josh. 3 guys wide open, just this week, and cant't hot them. Can't have a QB that can only throw 19 yards. In my opinion, not the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, InheritedBillsfan said: He's really not, but ok. Take it from someone who has seen every snap of this kids NFL career so far, or the few games you've seen. Lamar is not a run first quarterback, but he is dual threat. He does what he needs to make a play and takes what the defense gives him, such as his 3 TD passes today and 0 rushing TD's. Take a look at his season stats and it should be an objective opinion: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson He will have over 400 passing attempts on the season and in excess of 30 passing TD's. Bottom line, the kid wins and is a multi-talent and despite anyone thinking he is a running back in a quarterbacks position, he can win through the air or on the ground when necessary. agreed. Anyone with two eyes would agree. the thing that amazes me about Lamar is his accuracy (more so than his running). I actually think over time and as he gets older, he will be almost a pure pocket passer. He doesn’t need to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Any word on what happened on that broken long TD by the ravens? Yeah, Poyer got caught cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Oil Company Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Way too much moral victory / we played well rhetoric by this fan base after the loss. STOP! A loss is not acceptable. Demand better. Be better than that. Luckily, I don't think McBeane has the same mindset as half the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, InheritedBillsfan said: He's really not, but ok. Take it from someone who has seen every snap of this kids NFL career so far, or the few games you've seen. Lamar is not a run first quarterback, but he is dual threat. He does what he needs to make a play and takes what the defense gives him, such as his 3 TD passes today and 0 rushing TD's. Take a look at his season stats and it should be an objective opinion: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson He will have over 400 passing attempts on the season and in excess of 30 passing TD's. Bottom line, the kid wins and is a multi-talent and despite anyone thinking he is a running back in a quarterbacks position, he can win through the air or on the ground when necessary. Yeah today he had 3 pass tds on a busted coverage and two flips inside the 5 color me unconvinced lmao Dual threat, run first, whatever...he ain’t beating anybody with his arm alone. If he was there’s no need for Roman and the read option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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