SNF: Pats @ Texans

[stevewin]

37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

What a douche

[GunnerBill]

Belated SNF conclusions (avoided the score long enough to watch on a flight back from Amsterdam at lunchtime - but new Pats had lost because my Jags fan friend messaged me this morning asking if we can win the division):

 

- This was big for Houston. In previous years they have definitely had a mental block in the biggest games but now this season they have knocked off Kansas City and knocked off New England. Yes they had a nightmare in Baltimore but for the first time they must feel that they can beat some of these playoff teams when the time comes.

- Bill O'Brien took some stick for getting rid of his GM... and maybe deservedly so.... but Duke Johnson, Carlos Hyde, Gareon Conley, Vernon Hargreaves, Kenny Stills and Laremy Tunsil are "his" personnel moves since he took full control. Those guys are all contributing.

- Watching Watson vs Brady was an interesting contrast. One is fast in thought and movement and looks like he is having fun out there. The other has always been physically slow of course, but he looks mentally a split second slower and he doesn't look like this is fun anymore. 

- How many years have we seen New England's oline start the year struggling and they have found a way as things have gone along to adjust on the fly? Doesn't look like it is working this time. That oline is bad. 

- Buffalo will have a shot at the division if they can win out. At the very least they will go to Foxborough with it still in play. How cool is that? 

- I think the Brady era is drawing to a close. I now believe it is more likely than not that someone else is the Patriots QB on day 1 of 2020. 

[Gugny]

22 minutes ago, stevewin said:

What a douche

 

An ineffective douche, at that.

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

The fun starts on page 20. 
 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/official-game-day-thread-week-13-pats-texans.1150686/page-22

 

This "we are playing terrible" thing seems pretty new to them

 

I like the sarcasm..."Edelman's fault (on that throw) he does not have a 72" vertical".

I have that Doors tune "The End" running through my head right now.

 

This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes, again

Can you picture what will be, so limitless and free
Desperately in need, of some, stranger's hand
In a, desperate land

 

Dare we hope that the bell finally tolls for NE? Belichick is a very good coach and I expect they still have fight in them but they are looking more vulnerable than I can ever remember. 

 

That defense is far less effective playing from behind.

 

[May Day 10]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

The fun starts on page 20. 
 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/official-game-day-thread-week-13-pats-texans.1150686/page-22

 

I scanned through a couple dozen pages

 

First, I cant believe how soft-skinned they all are.  It was like 3-7, their team, is 10-1, and you would think it was a Browns GTD from the Steelers game.  

 

Its remarkable how many people are screaming that they need to sign Antonio Bryant (again) as if he is some sort of magic pill that will make this 10-2 team an 14 and negative 3 team.  They are crying that Kraft made the awful decision, while everyone else was on board with riding him out, veiled threats to children and all.  

 

It is funny how many people defend Brady no matter what there, blaming everyone else no matter what.   I get it though, and that would happen anywhere.

 

People were turning the game off pretty early, and one person even said they were going to "switch to Greys Anatomy".  Lol.  

 

There does seem to be a general feeling of panic.  It isnt the typical 'this always happens, on to Cincinnati' crowd.  This Patriots team has shown flaws since week 3, and they havent gone away.  Additional weaknesses have popped up, and they got their faces kicked in by both AFC Division leaders they have faced.  The third is coming up this week (and they just won a game like 40-9 and have a lot of motivation).  

[Foxx]

47 pages.... wow.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I scanned through a couple dozen pages

 

First, I cant believe how soft-skinned they all are.  It was like 3-7, their team, is 10-1, and you would think it was a Browns GTD from the Steelers game.  

 

Its remarkable how many people are screaming that they need to sign Antonio Bryant (again) as if he is some sort of magic pill that will make this 10-2 team an 14 and negative 3 team.  They are crying that Kraft made the awful decision, while everyone else was on board with riding him out, veiled threats to children and all.  

 

It is funny how many people defend Brady no matter what there, blaming everyone else no matter what.   I get it though, and that would happen anywhere.

 

People were turning the game off pretty early, and one person even said they were going to "switch to Greys Anatomy".  Lol.  

 

There does seem to be a general feeling of panic.  It isnt the typical 'this always happens, on to Cincinnati' crowd.  This Patriots team has shown flaws since week 3, and they havent gone away.  Additional weaknesses have popped up, and they got their faces kicked in by both AFC Division leaders they have faced.  The third is coming up this week (and they just won a game like 40-9 and have a lot of motivation).  

 

I love it.

 

Let them suffer. Let them suffer for 20 years in the wilderness.

 

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, stevewin said:

One huge thing was no turnovers by Houston.  You need to avoid huge game changing turnovers and specual teams gaffes against the Cheaters to win - you have to play mistake free because positive plays are always going to be taken away from you as well as given to them by the refs

 

Yep.

 

No ST gaffes, no turnovers, and don't give their struggling offense a short field to work with and you have a good chance of beating them.

 

Especially if you can go up on them a score or two and are able to keep that pressure/passing D in check with some run balance.

 

As Baltimore did show, they really struggle with defending the RPO and (Run) Option. Daboll has been getting Allen more acclimated to running those plays.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RaoulDuke79]

4 hours ago, the skycap said:

Are there any lip readers on the forum? I'd love to know what Brady was saying as he sat on the bench

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

His receivers should have responded by requesting he not fall down and go into the fetal position whenever a defender comes within 3 yards of him.

[jkeerie]

4 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Yep.

 

No ST gaffes, no turnovers, and don't give their struggling offense a short field to work with and you have a good chance of beating them.

 

Especially if you can go up on them a score or two and are able to keep that pressure/passing D in check with some run balance.

 

As Baltimore did show, they really struggle with defending the RPO and (Run) Option. Daboll has been getting Allen more acclimated to running those plays.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How many of us had our hearts in our throats with that onside kick?

First off Houston goes into that soft prevent D and Brady and Edelman play catch down the field to score and pull within 6.

Then the onside kick.  Had that ball not gone out of bounds and been picked up cleanly by the Pats, that guy had clear sailing to the endzone.

 

Just goes to show you, run the prevent D at your own risk.  

[badassgixxer05]

10 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

How many of us had our hearts in our throats with that onside kick?

First off Houston goes into that soft prevent D and Brady and Edelman play catch down the field to score and pull within 6.

Then the onside kick.  Had that ball not gone out of bounds and been picked up cleanly by the Pats, that guy had clear sailing to the endzone.

 

Just goes to show you, run the prevent D at your own risk.  

For real, I hate prevent D more then anything. It prevents nothing, and is guaranteeing an opponent score.. makes zero sense...

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

What a douche

Yeah.  And if Josh Allen had done this in a similar game with the Bills, he would be showered with praise for his leadership and will to win. 

 

Let's be honest, despite being the greatest QB of all time, Tom Brady just isn't going to get a fair deal around here, is he?

 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Thanks Yolo

[Haslett_Stomp]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

This "we are playing terrible" thing seems pretty new to them

 

I like the sarcasm..."Edelman's fault (on that throw) he does not have a 72" vertical".

I have that Doors tune "The End" running through my head right now.

 

This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes, again

Can you picture what will be, so limitless and free
Desperately in need, of some, stranger's hand
In a, desperate land

 

Dare we hope that the bell finally tolls for NE? Belichick is a very good coach and I expect they still have fight in them but they are looking more vulnerable than I can ever remember. 

 

That defense is far less effective playing from behind.

 

 

Nice.  "When the Music's Over" also comes to mind.

[Brandon_Bean]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

47 pages.... wow.

Shows how much we hate the Pats.

[stevewin]

17 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah.  And if Josh Allen had done this in a similar game with the Bills, he would be showered with praise for his leadership and will to win. 

 

Let's be honest, despite being the greatest QB of all time, Tom Brady just isn't going to get a fair deal around here, is he?

 

There was a camera right in his face and he knew it - it was all completely for show.  Josh Allen doesn't whine like a baby when he is touched or every time every single thing doesn't go his way, drop into the fetal position when pressure comes within 5 ft of him. nor has he cheated throughout his entire career.  The comparison is false.  Brady is a douche of the highest order and Josh is not.

[Chandemonium]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

How many of us had our hearts in our throats with that onside kick?

First off Houston goes into that soft prevent D and Brady and Edelman play catch down the field to score and pull within 6.

Then the onside kick.  Had that ball not gone out of bounds and been picked up cleanly by the Pats, that guy had clear sailing to the endzone.

 

Just goes to show you, run the prevent D at your own risk.  

I was definelty nervous, but at worst they’d get the ball at the spot of recovery. The kicking team can’t advance a kickoff. 

[jkeerie]

4 minutes ago, Chandemonium said:

I was definelty nervous, but at worst they’d get the ball at the spot of recovery. The kicking team can’t advance a kickoff. 

I forgot about this.  Thank you for reminding me of that rule.  However...I think Houston would have been so out of sorts, it would have been Brady and Edelman again for the TD.

[Sherlock Holmes]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Could Pats miss playoffs???

[Chandemonium]

50 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Could Pats miss playoffs???

Yes. There may be other scenarios, but one I found with the ESPN playoff machine involved the pats losing out, the Steelers and titans winning out to get to 11-5, and the Texans winning both their remaining games not against the titans to go 10-6. In that case titans take the south, pit takes the 1st wildcard and the Texans get the 2nd with their head to head tiebreaker over the pats. The best possible record for the bills in this case would be 12-4 because the Steelers would have beaten them, but that would be good enough for at least a 1st round bye if not the top seed.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Chandemonium said:

Yes. There may be other scenarios, but one I found with the ESPN playoff machine involved the pats losing out, the Steelers and titans winning out to get to 11-5, and the Texans winning both their remaining games not against the titans to go 10-6. In that case titans take the south, pit takes the 1st wildcard and the Texans get the 2nd with their head to head tiebreaker over the pats. The best possible record for the bills in this case would be 12-4 because the Steelers would have beaten them, but that would be good enough for at least a 1st round bye if not the top seed.

Well $#!+ let's hope for that scenario then

[May Day 10]

Everybody is doubting them

 

 

Tine for their magical pixiedust bulletin board that makes them go from a bad nfl team to beating the chiefs by 50

[GoBills808]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah.  And if Josh Allen had done this in a similar game with the Bills, he would be showered with praise for his leadership and will to win. 

 

Let's be honest, despite being the greatest QB of all time, Tom Brady just isn't going to get a fair deal around here, is he?

 

Sorry for your loss

[london_bills]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah.  And if Josh Allen had done this in a similar game with the Bills, he would be showered with praise for his leadership and will to win. 

 

Let's be honest, despite being the greatest QB of all time, Tom Brady just isn't going to get a fair deal around here, is he?

 

Yep. Not a single mention that brady is throwing to undrafted recievers sans Edelman. 

 

I get the anti patriots thing, still Intelligent discussion to be had. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by london_bills

[atlbillsfan1975]

Where are the Pats fans now that come on our board to give us their expert opinions? Brady is done. Your D is slow. Belichicks kid can’t call a good game. Get a clue, it’s over. 

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Where are the Pats fans now that come on our board to give us their expert opinions? Brady is done. Your D is slow. Belichicks kid can’t call a good game. Get a clue, it’s over. 

Pats Fans are an entitled, vicious bunch.  

 

I lived in the Boston area for a few years.  A few months ago I read a post on Twitter about someone calling out Brady for bad play and maybe he was in decline.  I simply replied to that post agreeing to it...and I got FLOODED with messages and tweets from Pats fans who wanted to argue to an unreal extent defending Brady. These are people I didn't know..but just saw I replied to a post about Brady...i got called names and much worse.   As I said, I lived in Boston...enjoyed a few Bruins and Celtics games and have some friends there...but it seems the more a fan base experiences success, the worse they get as fans..and in some cases worse at being decent human beings.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

Pats Fans are an entitled, vicious bunch.  

 

I lived in the Boston area for a few years.  A few months ago I read a post on Twitter about someone calling out Brady for bad play and maybe he was in decline.  I simply replied to that post agreeing to it...and I got FLOODED with messages and tweets from Pats fans who wanted to argue to an unreal extent defending Brady. These are people I didn't know..but just saw I replied to a post about Brady...i got called names and much worse.   As I said, I lived in Boston...enjoyed a few Bruins and Celtics games and have some friends there...but it seems the more a fan base experiences success, the worse they get as fans..and in some cases worse at being decent human beings.

Condescending as well.  I get tired of them on here. They primarily show up after a Pats victory or a Bills loss. I doubt we will see much of them this week. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah.  And if Josh Allen had done this in a similar game with the Bills, he would be showered with praise for his leadership and will to win. 

 

Let's be honest, despite being the greatest QB of all time, Tom Brady just isn't going to get a fair deal around here, is he?

 

 

And now, the truth is revealed.

 

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yep. Not a single mention that brady is throwing to undrafted recievers sans Edelman. 

 

I get the anti patriots thing, still Intelligent discussion to be had. 

tf are you talking about...Sanu (3rd rounder), Harry they just drafted in the first...

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

tf are you talking about...Sanu (3rd rounder), Harry they just drafted in the first...

Forgot about sanu, he's a good receiver. He played a few snaps and Harry didn't play against the texans

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Forgot about sanu, he's a good receiver. He played a few snaps and Harry didn't play against the texans

lmao Harry 100% did play against the Texans...oh isn't Dorsette a first rounder as well? Poor Tom Brady and all these first round picks he has to throw to lololol where do you people come up with this stuff 'bunch of undrafted receivers' 

[MattM]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

lmao Harry 100% did play against the Texans...oh isn't Dorsette a first rounder as well? Poor Tom Brady and all these first round picks he has to throw to lololol where do you people come up with this stuff 'bunch of undrafted receivers' 

I signed in just to make the exact same point.  Did some of these folks just not even watch the game?

[GoBills808]

Just now, MattM said:

I signed in just to make the exact same point.  Did some of these folks just not even watch the game?

It's so weird to see people make excuses for Brady that AREN'T EVEN TRUE...just the most ridiculous bs I have ever heard.

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

lmao Harry 100% did play against the Texans...oh isn't Dorsette a first rounder as well? Poor Tom Brady and all these first round picks he has to throw to lololol where do you people come up with this stuff 'bunch of undrafted receivers' 

Harry played no snaps in the game. They were looking a bit more dangerous when brown and gordon were in the lineup, not the whole picture but part of it. Brady has looked less good. Didn't realise Dorset was a first rounder, didn't look like one. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by london_bills

[4BillsintheBurgh]

29 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Harry played no snaps in the game. They were looking a bit more dangerous when brown and gordon were in the lineup, not the whole picture but part of it. Brady has looked less good. Didn't realise Dorset was a first rounder, didn't look like one. 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/patriots-nkeal-harry-records-22-snaps-sunday/

 

Seems like he did. Was targeted on a one of brady's picks.

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/patriots-nkeal-harry-records-22-snaps-sunday/

 

Seems like he did. Was targeted on a one of brady's picks.

Right.

 

Nfl.com has him at 0 and I didn't recall him in the game. 

 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

Just now, london_bills said:

Right.

 

Nfl.com has him at 0 and I didn't recall him in the game. 

 

I can't help but read this with a heavy British accent. ?

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I can't help but read this with a heavy British accent. ?

Haha

[GoBills808]

42 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Harry played no snaps in the game. They were looking a bit more dangerous when brown and gordon were in the lineup, not the whole picture but part of it. Brady has looked less good. Didn't realise Dorset was a first rounder, didn't look like one. 

You are saying less than nothing. Everything you've typed is either untrue, inconsequential, or an excuse for Tom Brady. Please stop wasting both our time.

[london_bills]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You are saying less than nothing. Everything you've typed is either untrue, inconsequential, or an excuse for Tom Brady. Please stop wasting both our time.

Everything I've typed is untrue -

Undrafted receivers is not true as clearly they are drafted apart from jacoby myers. 

 

Excuse for Tom Brady - Any QB who throws to receivers that are not getting alot of seperation has an excuse to an extent, come on. It doesn't change that he has looked bad aswell now does it. Its just because you hate the guys guts. 

 

Watch brady's 40 yard dash, that will cheer you up. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by london_bills