buffaloboyinATL Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Torry Holt is becoming the new "Andre Reed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Rico said: Extremely easy to write the history of the gams without using any of those names. If anything, Tasker may be the most worthy. Tasker changed the game. They made rule changes on special teams just to counteract some of things Tasker did. Teams made game plans to counter him including three players responsible for him. Coaches like John Harbaugh who value innovation would love a player like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: For me : Atwater, Holt, James, Polamalu, Willis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Yobogoya! said: None of those guys can say they were the best all-time at what they did. Tasker can. Special Teams is way under-represented in the Hall. When you have 40 running backs in, I feel like you can probably justify having more than two kickers or at least the best coverage specialist of all time. He was not just a coverage specialist. He was a kick returner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think so. Polamalu was great, and Simeon Rice (122 sacks) should have been the 2002 Super Bowl MVP for Tampa. Hutchinson and Faneca were dominant players. Carl Banks, Reggie Wayne, Isaac Bruce (over 15,000 receiving yards), Hines Ward ... those are some excellent players. Gore had an amazing 2006 season, and arguably would have won SB MVP if SF had pulled it out in 2012. That season, he averaged 106 yards over three playoff games. The reason ST guys aren't in is because they play far fewer plays, most ST plays are givens (touchbacks and the like), and they weren't good enough to be regular starters. I love me some Tasker, but he's not even as good as Matthew Slater. Slater should go in before him. I mean, I suppose the HOF could have an ST annex - kind of the "special Olympics" of the HOF. In Tasker's case Jim Kelly advocated him being a WR and Levy disallowed it because he considered Tasker that important to special teams and special teams that important. Marv Levy truly believed that special teams were 1/3 of teams. Later in Steve's career he got reps as WR when Bills were short WRs and he showed he could play with the best. Coach McD allows Lorenzo Alexander to do both and Levy unlikely would have allowed this at that point in Steve's career. Can you imagine Zo on a team with Marv Levy as head coach? The special teams would be spectacular with Tasker, Pike and Lo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 How is Atwater not in already? 8x pro bowler, 2x first team all pro. 1990's all decade team. He was great. 4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: The good news for Tasker is I believe after this year he is a senior candidate, and with 20 going in this year, he will go up the list for a senior candidate. There is no doubt he is the best ST non kicker of all time, and with Vinaterri going in eventually and Guy in, the voters are starting to look at ST stars. i hope he gets in someday, but don’t think it’s this year. I think he will eventually. Hopefully before he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 my top 5 Tasker (start of the Special Teams Wing) Edge Polamalu Boseli and 1 WR who has been waiting longest Bruce/Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Chris Kelsay missed out again Edited November 27, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, DrDare said: my top 5 Tasker (start of the Special Teams Wing) Edge Polamalu Boseli and 1 WR who has been waiting longest Bruce/Wayne Batman joke? Bruce Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Is it me or is that a surprisingly weak class? No one with a WOW factor when thinking about their playing days. Solid players all around for sure. I guess Polamalu would be the leader of the pack? Would love to see Tasker get in with this class too. I agree. This is the kind of year where Steve really has a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Steve Tasker changed the way the game is played. Before he came along, ST was an afterthought. He did it all, PR/KR, gunner, punt and FG blocker, Pro Bowl MVP, and then a short stint at WR near the end of his career. Teams had to game plan for him. Long past time for him to get in. John Clayton has commented on this in the past with his S&B segments. He is on the voting committee and has said that he personally feels Tasker should be in. I think he has more support than some might think, despite having never gotten in. Would love to see it. It seems like a lot of people would agree Tasker is perhaps the single best special teamer of all time. On that basis, he belongs in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Tasker returned 15 kickoffs for the Bills in his career and never averaged 20 yards per return while here. He returned 32 punts for a 10.5 ypr average, and never returned a punt or a kickoff for a TD. Let's not exaggerate. He returned a few here and there, but he was hardly a game changer in those areas. 10.5 PR average would put Tasker about 25th all-time if he had enough of them. My point was that he did it all, was pretty damn good at it, and changed the game to bring an emphasis to special teams that never before existed. He's "The Natural" of special teamers. "There's only you and me, and we just disagree." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 This is a very mediocre class. If Tasker has any shot, this is the year. I think the only three that are HOF worthy are: Polamalu, Hutchinson, and Bosselli. The rest are all very good players but not even close to being best in the league at their positions. I would not be shocked if Willis makes it. They can make a statement sending Tasker in that special teams matters. I would not vote in Tasker but I understand why he could make it. The other two that are long overdue are Don Coryell and Tom Flores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 If Tasker doesn’t make it in the next 2 years his name might get replaced by Mathew Slater in the future. Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I absolutely loved watching Steve Atwater play. I think Atwater, Polamalu and Boseli all should get in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Does anyone have Taskers tackle stats? It’s wasnt about returns with him. It was the constant special teams tackles and the punt blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Is it me or is that a surprisingly weak class? No one with a WOW factor when thinking about their playing days. Solid players all around for sure. I guess Polamalu would be the leader of the pack? Would love to see Tasker get in with this class too. I thought that too. A lot of guys who have "been on the cusp" for a few years and not quite made it. Feel like Boselli, Faneca, Lynch and those greatest show on turf receivers have been on the list forever. Troy Polamalu is the one must on that list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: I absolutely loved watching Steve Atwater play. I think Atwater, Polamalu and Boseli all should get in. a spot is held for a man from the o-line and one for someone 90% of the fanbase never saw play the rest? meh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 2:19 PM, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. Some really strong players in that class but not historic players. Tasker has a chance. I don't expect it but wouldn't be shocked. They need to start opening the gates for some of these ST guys. Not many of them, but if there are kickers and punters... I think that Atwater was a freak KTD. The Denver defense was really all that and Elway got all of the publicity on that team but Atwater was big, fast, and vicious; just a complete great safety. I really am shocked that he wasn't enshrined years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Seems like Boselli, Faneca, Polamalu, and Willis would be near-locks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Seems like Boselli, Faneca, Polamalu, and Willis would be near-locks Without looking at his stats, in my mind it doesn’t seem like Willis really had that long of a prime in the league. He kind of burst onto the scene and then Bowman really surpassed him and he dealt with a lot of injuries. That’s how I remember it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 4:37 PM, 947 said: Yep. It's close, but Ward has better career numbers in every category except yards, and he was a better playoff performer. Plus Ward is seen as a hard-nosed player while Holt was more of a finesse guy. If I'm voting for one the other, it's Ward. Holt will also be deserving when he eventually gets in. Ward edges Holt in stats only because he played longer. Pretty clear who the more talented guy was. Holt had 8 straight seasons of 1,000 + yards. The fastest receiver in history to 10,000 at that point in time. Ward also never made an All Pro team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Ward edges Holt in stats only because he played longer. Pretty clear who the more talented guy was. Holt had 8 straight seasons of 1,000 + yards. The fastest receiver in history to 10,000 at that point in time. Ward also never made an All Pro team. stats mean very little in comparing WRs from prior to the 1990s actually you could deduct 1/2 to 2/3 of their yards in the current QB-friendly era because until 1978 a DB was able to do anything he wanted to a WR, including knock him out cold or paralyze him for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Ward edges Holt in stats only because he played longer. Pretty clear who the more talented guy was. Holt had 8 straight seasons of 1,000 + yards. The fastest receiver in history to 10,000 at that point in time. Ward also never made an All Pro team. Longevity is a big part of a HOF career. Ward also had 2 SuperBowl wins to Holt's 1, played a lot more playoff games, and had better per-game playoff numbers. Even Steeler haters loved the way Ward played, and how he'd jump up after getting smashed by a DB with a huge smile on his face. It's just an opinion poll, I think we can all agree both belong in the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 This list is so watered down. Polamalu is the only lock imo. Zach Thomas was great and will probably get in. Reggie Wayne was great. Edgerrin James? Lol. Dude was a cap casualty. Idk, this is the Hall of Fame, not Hall of Really Good. These players were damn good but idk if 90% of them deserve to go in this year. Steve Tasker is one of the few on the list truly deserving. He and Polamalu dominated their positions when they played. Zach Thomas was a tackling machine but not like Luke Keuchly is, more like London Fletcher was. And not to sound like a total dick but Sam Mills? Because he had cancer? Cornelius Bennett and, by far, Darryl Talley and Shane Conlan deserve it a long time before Sam Mills does; sorry, not sorry. If theres any year Tasker makes it....just look at this list. No Jerry Rice. No Marshall Faulk. Just guys like Fred Taylor and Simeon Rice; great players but not Jerry Rice great..and in this case not even Steve Tasker great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 22 hours ago, Locomark said: Does anyone have Taskers tackle stats? It’s wasnt about returns with him. It was the constant special teams tackles and the punt blocks. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaskSt00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 16 hours ago, 947 said: Longevity is a big part of a HOF career. Ward also had 2 SuperBowl wins to Holt's 1, played a lot more playoff games, and had better per-game playoff numbers. Even Steeler haters loved the way Ward played, and how he'd jump up after getting smashed by a DB with a huge smile on his face. It's just an opinion poll, I think we can all agree both belong in the Hall of Fame. No doubt. Splitting hairs is the fun part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 gee, those WR have better stats these days, wonder why? well, son.... these two plays were part and parcel of the game, a bit rough but nothing was called the club and the hook at the neck were perfectly legal at any time, even after the pass went elsewhere imagine doing that to a WR in today's game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 1:40 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Is it me or is that a surprisingly weak class? No one with a WOW factor when thinking about their playing days. Solid players all around for sure. I guess Polamalu would be the leader of the pack? Would love to see Tasker get in with this class too. Polamalu and Hutchinson are standouts for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Tasker ranked #5 in this NFL.com article. Hope he is correct and Tasker enters the HOF based on his ST contribution. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001080809/article/pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2020-25-semifinalists-ranked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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