Daboll is an excellent play caller

[Xwnyer]

Browns bad on run so let’s try throwing like crazy with lots of play action?  Dabol has yet to develop a great game plan. Bombs on 3rd and 3 and down are not the answer

[H2o]

Daboll is an idiot. He calls a terrible game week in and week out. He IS holding this team back. The idiot kicker also didn't do us any favors today, but Daboll has got to go. McDermott won't do it though. 

[mjt328]

I'm a big believer in continuity, and that you need to stick with your coaches.  But I'm starting to get really frustrated with Brian Daboll. 

We are NINE games into the season, and the offense continues to struggle scoring.  The offense continues to go extended periods of time being incapable of moving the ball.

 

Early in the season, it was easy to blame the turnovers, penalties and drops.  But we seem to have cleaned up those areas, and STILL can't put enough points on the board.  The offense had the ball 10 times today.  Even if Hauschka makes those kicks, scoring on 4 drives all day isn't good enough.

 

This offense has absolutely no rhythm.  No plan.  No purpose.  Every drive feels like we are throwing darts at a board, regardless of what is working/not working, or what the defense is showing us.  On the other side of the ball, you can see the constant adjustments and the way McDermott/Frazier strategize to keep an opponent off-balance.  Daboll is the complete opposite, randomly tossing crap at the wall and hoping something sticks.

 

His inability to utilize Devon Singletary is ridiculous.  At this point, our offense should be built around getting him the ball.  He had 8 carries today (3 in the first half), and once again averaged 5+ yards per carry.  Against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL.  All the signs point to Singletary being a budding superstar.  But instead of building the gameplan around him, our Offensive Coordinator treats him like a gadget player.  He's no more important than Isaiah McKenzie running a jet-sweep or Patrick DiMarco catching a swing pass.

 

Our playcalling on third down (and fourth down today) has been especially horrendous.  For someone who came from New England, I'm baffled at how pathetic our playbook is on 3rd-short plays.  And how little Cole Beasley is targeted in those situations.  Your whole playbook should be setup, so those 3rd-5 or less plays are relatively easy to convert.  You don't drive 40 yards, get to 3rd-3 and then launch a deep pass to a well-covered WR.  We are just as likely to convert a 3rd-15 as a 3rd-3, because our OC doesn't have a plan.  He is just randomly calling stuff.

 

I was a strong first-half for the Bills, built almost entirely on the defense suffocating opponents.  We got to 6-2.  But some cracks have started showing, and the defense cannot be counted on to totally shut-down teams every single week.  The offense has had enough time to come together, and they need to hold-up their end of the bargain.  Another bad performance is discouraging me from believing that will happen in 2019.  If it doesn't, that Wild Card spot might not be such a guarantee.

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

No. Daboll sucks as a game day play caller.

 

His offensive system might be fantastic, but Daboll isn't good on Sundays.

 

The coaches need to have an epiphany this week of we want to continue winning and make the playoffs at the end of the year.

 

Right now, game day coaching and play calling is our biggest problem.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

No. Daboll sucks as a game day play caller.

 

His offensive system might be fantastic, but Daboll isn't good on Sundays.

 

The coaches need to have an epiphany this week of we want to continue winning and make the playoffs at the end of the year.

 

Right now, game day coaching and play calling is our biggest problem.

You’ve got to always stop not placing blame on the QB.  You always blame everyone else.

Allen isn’t making enough plays and is careless with the football.  He’s a major issue in this offense.

[Chris66]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

No. Daboll sucks as a game day play caller.

 

His offensive system might be fantastic, but Daboll isn't good on Sundays.

 

The coaches need to have an epiphany this week of we want to continue winning and make the playoffs at the end of the year.

 

Right now, game day coaching and play calling is our biggest problem.

Daboll is in a tough spot. He has a good system. He just doesnt have a very good qb for this system. I always find it funny when people used to say why dont teams run NE's system. You need a smart accurate qb to run that system.

 

Allen would be better served with Greg Roman, but I heard on this board he sucks too.

[White Linen]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You’ve got to always stop not placing blame on the QB.  You always blame everyone else.

Allen isn’t making enough plays and is careless with the football.  He’s a major issue in this offense.

 

You don't think Kitchens called the better game?

[Big Gun]

Daboll stinks and should be shown the door at season's end. Every game seems like he is always trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. He does not call plays to anybody's strengths. 

[transplantbillsfan]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You’ve got to always stop not placing blame on the QB.  You always blame everyone else.

Allen isn’t making enough plays and is careless with the football.  He’s a major issue in this offense.

 

No. You can't do this here because I HAVE placed blame on Allen. He is awful as a deep passer and has a big Big BIG problem holding onto the football when he's running.

 

I'm highly critical of him in those 2 aspects of his game. Long term if he can't hit some deep passes I don't think he can last in this league.

 

But other than that, I'm sorry but I strongly disagree.

 

Are you honestly telling me that as you watch you think Daboll is calling great plays?

 

@oldmanfan started a thread in the last week or 2 to just let Allen be Allen and I think that's an accurate assessment.

 

Put him in shotgun and spread the offense out. Keep an RB in the backfield and run it on occasion, that's fine. Keep doing the motion sweeps with McKenzie. That's fine. But this play calling has just been like throwin crap against a wall and hoping something sticks.

 

Once again, Allen hasn't been excused because I really think his deep passing and fumble issues are BIG issues. But otherwise he was good today.

 

If you don't think he was good without those few deep misses (we're there 3 or 4?) and the fumble he lucked out on, can you identify a handful of plays that you would qualify as bad?

 

I also counted like 3 drops by WRs and a couple good passes by Allen that were just really well defended.

[billsfan_34]

Daboll is atrocious 

[Franco_92]

Not just the long bomb on third down, but that second 4th down we attempted, on that third and fourth down (less than 5 to go) combined, there was like one receiver that ran any sort of quick-developing route. the rest of the guys had deep, long routes, the pressure got to allen, and the plays died before they could unfold. We didn't need 20 yards, we needed 4.

[transplantbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Daboll is in a tough spot. He has a good system. He just doesnt have a very good qb for this system. I always find it funny when people used to say why dont teams run NE's system. You need a smart accurate qb to run that system.

 

Allen would be better served with Greg Roman, but I heard on this board he sucks too.

 

Disagree. I think the system is fine. Allen demonstrates he can run it just fine when it's turned over to him the way it was late in the game today. What Daboll pulls from that system in the context of the game when he's calling plays is not.

 

Might be time for him to go up in the booth.

[Turk71]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

Not just the long bomb on third down, but that second 4th down we attempted, on that third and fourth down (less than 5 to go) combined, there was like one receiver that ran any sort of quick-developing route. the rest of the guys had deep, long routes, the pressure got to allen, and the plays died before they could unfold. We didn't need 20 yards, we needed 4.

Yes. Daboll still sucks. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No. You can't do this here because I HAVE placed blame on Allen. He is awful as a deep passer and has a big Big BIG problem holding onto the football when he's running.

 

I'm highly critical of him in those 2 aspects of his game. Long term if he can't hit some deep passes I don't think he can last in this league.

 

But other than that, I'm sorry but I strongly disagree.

 

Are you honestly telling me that as you watch you think Daboll is calling great plays?

 

@oldmanfan started a thread in the last week or 2 to just let Allen be Allen and I think that's an accurate assessment.

 

Put him in shotgun and spread the offense out. Keep an RB in the backfield and run it on occasion, that's fine. Keep doing the motion sweeps with McKenzie. That's fine. But this play calling has just been like throwin crap against a wall and hoping something sticks.

 

Once again, Allen hasn't been excused because I really think his deep passing and fumble issues are BIG issues. But otherwise he was good today.

 

If you don't think he was good without those few deep misses (we're there 3 or 4?) and the fumble he lucked out on, can you identify a handful of plays that you would qualify as bad?

 

I also counted like 3 drops by WRs and a couple good passes by Allen that were just really well defended.

Yeah he missed a couple long balls and that needs improvement.  But I think at most 5% of passes are in the air more than 30 yards.  Still, hitting McKensie would have been big.

 

I say let Allen be Allen.  Let him play the first three quarters the way he plays 4th quarters. And get Singletary the ball!

[Turk71]

The defense was so soft on that last Browns drive, no attempt to finish them off. 

[Steptide]

I don't think daboll shoukd be fired, but I do think some major changes need to be made and McDermott is responsible to make that happen 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No. You can't do this here because I HAVE placed blame on Allen. He is awful as a deep passer and has a big Big BIG problem holding onto the football when he's running.

 

I'm highly critical of him in those 2 aspects of his game. Long term if he can't hit some deep passes I don't think he can last in this league.

 

But other than that, I'm sorry but I strongly disagree.

 

Are you honestly telling me that as you watch you think Daboll is calling great plays?

 

@oldmanfan started a thread in the last week or 2 to just let Allen be Allen and I think that's an accurate assessment.

 

Put him in shotgun and spread the offense out. Keep an RB in the backfield and run it on occasion, that's fine. Keep doing the motion sweeps with McKenzie. That's fine. But this play calling has just been like throwin crap against a wall and hoping something sticks.

 

Once again, Allen hasn't been excused because I really think his deep passing and fumble issues are BIG issues. But otherwise he was good today.

 

If you don't think he was good without those few deep misses (we're there 3 or 4?) and the fumble he lucked out on, can you identify a handful of plays that you would qualify as bad?

 

I also counted like 3 drops by WRs and a couple good passes by Allen that were just really well defended.

I never said Daboll is great.  
 

We aren’t scoring points in this offense.  It’s not that Allen is terrible, it’s just that he doesn’t do enough.  He doesn’t make enough plays....major reason why we aren’t scoring points.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Fire Dabol Now???? 
 

I started a poll in a thread but the authorities on here shut it down. What you say Fire Dabol now to salvage our season Yes or No?

 

 

I don’t see what would be served by firing him mid season, but McDermott for reals needs to have a “come to Jesus” meeting with him and figure out some guidelines or oversight of the play calling, because it’s beyond bizarre at times.

[Jaywrizzo]

Yeah...bcuz people that actually played the game are always right...make sure you never have an opinion or disagree with any play call...How silly does that sound!

[White Linen]

One thing for sure I put on Daboll is designed plays.  We have very little and those we have aren't used timely.  Designed plays have beat us consistently the past few weeks.

 

That's coaching.

[Buffbills123]

If play designs are resulting in WRs wide open for game-changing touchdowns and your QB can’t hit it, that’s not on the OC. 

[Iverwig]

1 minute ago, Buffbills123 said:

If play designs are resulting in WRs wide open for game-changing touchdowns and your QB can’t hit it, that’s not on the OC. 

No, but when you are playing one of the worst run defenses in the league and your rookie RB is averaging over 5 yards per carry and he only has 8 rushes that’s on the OC.  8 carries for Singletary while Allen had 6. Pathetic! 

[Buffbills123]

13 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

No, but when you are playing one of the worst run defenses in the league and your rookie RB is averaging over 5 yards per carry and he only has 8 rushes that’s on the OC.  8 carries for Singletary while Allen had 6. Pathetic! 

 

Sure, when you’re passing game struggles, you question why the run game wasn’t more of a focal point.

 

No one is even discussing the run to pass ratio if our QB could complete the NFL version of a layup. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Buffbills123

[Bangarang]

Go ahead and fire Daboll, I wouldnt disagree with it. But do we really trust McD to find a good replacement? It’d be his 3rd OC in 4 years and our offenses have consistently been really bad during his time here.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Bangarang

[Cripple Creek]

41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t see what would be served by firing him mid season, but McDermott for reals needs to have a “come to Jesus” meeting with him and figure out some guidelines or oversight of the play calling, because it’s beyond bizarre at times.

That this meeting hasn't taken place puzzles me.  It's not like we'd be told, but we'd see a difference on the field.

 

Give Norv an Assistant HC title this off season.

[whatdrought]

43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t see what would be served by firing him mid season, but McDermott for reals needs to have a “come to Jesus” meeting with him and figure out some guidelines or oversight of the play calling, because it’s beyond bizarre at times.

 

Not unless they feel someone in house, whose seen the whole situation and knows the players, can turn the offense around... I don’t see it as a good idea.

[realtruelove]

11 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Not unless they feel someone in house, whose seen the whole situation and knows the players, can turn the offense around... I don’t see it as a good idea.

Phil Housley would be a better OC than Daboll.  Daboll is dreaming about his double order of hot wings after the game, during the game.

[zow2]

I don’t have a huge problem with the play caller today. Execute the plays. Block better,  hit a long bomb for once, don’t throw up prayers or inaccurate passes on 3rd and 4.  

[london_bills]

Can mcdermott fire another OC? 

Edited November 11, 2019 by london_bills

[Buffbills123]

4 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

Phil Housley would be a better OC than Daboll.  Daboll is dreaming about his double order of hot wings after the game, during the game.

 

Good one.  Daboll would be a fine OC with a competent QB. 

[Iverwig]

14 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

Sure, when you’re passing game struggles, you question why the run game wasn’t more of a focal point.

 

No one is even discussing the run to pass ratio if our QB could complete the NFL version of a layup. 

The point is they should have come in focusing on the run. This is not the first time the coaching staff has tried to out smart opponents by going with the opposite and it doesn’t work. When the Bills have faced teams with a weak secondary they ran the ball.  it’s been just the opposite when they’ve faced weak run teams as they’ve passed the ball. When Josh struggled they still called pass plays instead of helping him out by running the ball. 
 

Josh can be better no doubt  but Daboll can be better. You have to be smarter with a second year project QB and he’s not setting him up for success. Josh is what he is at this point. He’s not going to be a hall of farmer all of a sudden. He’s going to give you good plays and bad plays but you have to set him up for success and not running the ball more is not helping him. Sitting on the ball at the end of the game after Josh hit two big throws is not helping him especially when he’s been one of the better 4th quarter QB’s in the league. I put that last drive on Coach McD more than Daboll but Daboll can be better. 

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Can mcdermott fire another OC? 

He needs to fire himself after what he did to end the game. 

[Pirate Angel]

Eric Wood wasn't exactly ever under great play calling regime, Him telling me what a great offensive coordinator is has as much weight as my friend that f**** fat chicks telling me how to get laid. 

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

The point is they should have come in focusing on the run. This is not the first time the coaching staff has tried to out smart opponents by going with the opposite and it doesn’t work. When the Bills have faced teams with a weak secondary they ran the ball.  it’s been just the opposite when they’ve faced weak run teams as they’ve passed the ball. When Josh struggled they still called pass plays instead of helping him out by running the ball. 
 

Josh can be better no doubt  but Daboll can be better. You have to be smarter with a second year project QB and he’s not setting him up for success. Josh is what he is at this point. He’s not going to be a hall of farmer all of a sudden. He’s going to give you good plays and bad plays but you have to set him up for success and not running the ball more is not helping him. Sitting on the ball at the end of the game after Josh hit two big throws is not helping him especially when he’s been one of the better 4th quarter QB’s in the league. I put that last drive on Coach McD more than Daboll but Daboll can be better. 

He needs to fire himself after what he did to end the game. 

Was awful last drive. Did he veto a call or something? 

 

I see what you mean, not letting Allen go for it. One thing Allen might be is a 'hall of farmer' though. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by london_bills

[Iverwig]

23 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Go ahead and fire Daboll, I wouldnt disagree with it. But do we really trust McD to find a good replacement? It’d be his 3rd OC in 4 years and our offenses have consistently been really bad during his time here.

Nope! Coach McD is part of the problem. Defensive coach that wants to handicap the offense and shut things down. I have zero confidence Coach McD would make a good hire. 

[Buffbills123]

4 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

The point is they should have come in focusing on the run. This is not the first time the coaching staff has tried to out smart opponents by going with the opposite and it doesn’t work. When the Bills have faced teams with a weak secondary they ran the ball.  it’s been just the opposite when they’ve faced weak run teams as they’ve passed the ball. When Josh struggled they still called pass plays instead of helping him out by running the ball. 
 

Josh can be better no doubt  but Daboll can be better. You have to be smarter with a second year project QB and he’s not setting him up for success. Josh is what he is at this point. He’s not going to be a hall of farmer all of a sudden. He’s going to give you good plays and bad plays but you have to set him up for success and not running the ball more is not helping him. Sitting on the ball at the end of the game after Josh hit two big throws is not helping him especially when he’s been one of the better 4th quarter QB’s in the league. I put that last drive on Coach McD more than Daboll but Daboll can be better. 

 

I disagree.  WRs are wide open.  It’s on the QB to execute.  The OC should not go run heavy  to hide JA’s deficiencies.  Cleveland was in cover zero most of the game. The plays were there, the QB wasn’t. 

[TheJauronClap]

You can have the greatest oc in the world and get people open but the qb has to hit them the qb has to make the throw josh right now is not 

[london_bills]

Just now, Buffbills123 said:

 

I disagree.  WRs are wide open.  It’s on the QB to execute.  The OC should not go run heavy  to hide JA’s deficiencies.  Cleveland was in cover zero most of the game. The plays were there, the QB wasn’t. 

This is what I think. But the last drive I was trying to work out if that was on mcd getting involved in the playcalling rather than on Allen which I felt was the case for the majority of the game. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

 

I disagree.  WRs are wide open.  It’s on the QB to execute.  The OC should not go run heavy  to hide JA’s deficiencies.  Cleveland was in cover zero most of the game. The plays were there, the QB wasn’t. 

 

Daboll is that you? Why limit Singletary to like 8 carries? Why go to the strength or the teeth to there D? There run defense is horrible.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Buffbills123]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Daboll is that you? Why limit Singletary to like 8 carries? Why go to the strength or the teeth to there D? There run defense is horrible.

 

Riddle me this Kool Aid drinker. If WRs are wide open, is it a bad or good play design? 

[TheJauronClap]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Daboll is that you? Why limit Singletary to like 8 carries? Why go to the strength or the teeth to there D? There run defense is horrible.

But josh had plays on the field wide open plays he missed i can see if we were struggling to get open the wideouts were open josh missed bad today

This is nuts for years it was air it out we need to be in the modern nfl game where teams throw 35 times now its we need to run first and make that our number one option like we havent seen that for 10 years