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4 hours ago, Mc1320 said:

Eric Wood is on payroll and gets paid to tow the company line, just like Chris Brown, Murphy and Tasker.

Contrary to what you infer, I’ve heard all of the above give plenty of individual critiques throughout the season about what they’d like to see the Bills improve on, I haven’t heard any of them claim the Bills are even close to perfect or set at every position—have you? There’s a difference between seeing a glass half empty vs half full—maybe that’s what you’re talking about? 

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With a gameplan specific offense like this and so much new personnel it is a learning process as to what people can and cannot do.  With Singletary healthy and ready for a bigger role I think you will get more of an idea as to what this offense can become. I like using personnel like Dimarco to get certain defensive personnel on the field but wheel routes to him should be gassed

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6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

For all the "fans" complaining about Brian Daboll maybe you should learn from people who actually know something about football.

 

Eric Wood - 

 

"offensive coordinator Brian Daboll has been very consistent in the offense he dials up in that it’s creative, but it’s also simple. There are straight ahead runs up the middle and some simple outside zones, which have been successful. The team has been great with the jet sweep motions. Against Miami, they ran a fake reverse motion with Isaiah McKenzie and then got him out with the swing pass. It’s basically an extended hand-off, which is great for a young quarterback like Josh Allen. It’s a successful throw for the quarterback and it gets your playmakers out in space. This type of creativity is why I love watching this offense take the field.

 

 

I think there’s always a constant balance of doing what you’re good at and constantly evolving as well so you’re not showing defenses the same thing each week. They have done a spectacular job of doing just that. Each week presents you different mismatches and weaknesses in different spots, you obviously want to attack those. It would be easy to say that in the last game the Dolphins secondary was the weakness and probably the same for the Eagles this week, so there will be a lot of emphasis on the passing game this week. "

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/eric-wood-5-observations-on-the-5-1-buffalo-bills

I think Daboll is, overall, a good play caller.  That doesn't mean he doesn't make some stupid ass calls.

 

And as long as I have hindsight, I'll take the right to point out his stupid ass calls! :) 

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6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

For all the "fans" complaining about Brian Daboll maybe you should learn from people who actually know something about football.

 

Eric Wood - 

 

"offensive coordinator Brian Daboll has been very consistent in the offense he dials up in that it’s creative, but it’s also simple. There are straight ahead runs up the middle and some simple outside zones, which have been successful. The team has been great with the jet sweep motions. Against Miami, they ran a fake reverse motion with Isaiah McKenzie and then got him out with the swing pass. It’s basically an extended hand-off, which is great for a young quarterback like Josh Allen. It’s a successful throw for the quarterback and it gets your playmakers out in space. This type of creativity is why I love watching this offense take the field.

 

 

I think there’s always a constant balance of doing what you’re good at and constantly evolving as well so you’re not showing defenses the same thing each week. They have done a spectacular job of doing just that. Each week presents you different mismatches and weaknesses in different spots, you obviously want to attack those. It would be easy to say that in the last game the Dolphins secondary was the weakness and probably the same for the Eagles this week, so there will be a lot of emphasis on the passing game this week. "

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/eric-wood-5-observations-on-the-5-1-buffalo-bills

 

I love me some Wood, he knows his football, and I think he tells the truth as he sees it, but he IS an employee of the Bills.  He's hardly impartial.  If he told "the whole truth", he wouldn't be employed there.

 

The truth about Daboll is that at times, he is exactly as Wood describes.

 

At other times, he is not. 

 

We can listen to someone else who knows something about football, John Brown, when he comments "this is the most complicated offense I've ever played in" and when he comments that he ran the wrong route.  Allen has made several comments about miscommunication about routes.  HINT: hard working professional players are not miscommunicating about routes halfway through the season because the offense is "creative but simple".

 

It can also be seen at times that his blocking schemes aren't simple.  I've seen the Center and the RG pulling - ON A PLAY FAKE.  Yes, to "sell" the run, Daboll had the center and RG vacate space and pull on a pass play.  The D didn't bite and the result was pressure up the middle in Allen's face.  That isn't described as "creative but simple".   NE has the center pull.  Very few other teams do, for good reason.

 

I'm not part of the "fire Daboll" crowd, but I have seen puzzling calls and puzzling play designs that are "too cute" out of him.  If they're puzzling me, it's not because I'm too football-inept to understand their great genius (usually they did not succeed but in YPP words, "went over as well as a fart into the wind").  It's because they're genuinely puzzling at the "Football 101" level.

I go with the Cover1 guy (Fernando Schmude) who wrote that Daboll, like the rest of the Bills offense, needs to improve: "Overall, he called a good game, but surely, just like his QB and the rest of the offense, he’s still a work in progress. He needs to find a balance between being aggressive and conservative in his calls, and take advantage of the multifaceted potential of this offense, using it according to their opponents’ strengths and weaknesses."

 

The players, Allen in the forefront, Cowboy up and shoulder blame, saying it's on them to execute.  Truth.  But it's also on the coaches to call plays that work to his players' strengths and put them in positions to succeed.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mc1320 said:

Eric Wood is on payroll and gets paid to tow the company line, just like Chris Brown, Murphy and Tasker.

"Toe" the line, not "tow" the line.

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The proof is in the pudding, or lack of pudding in this case. The Bills offense is bottom half to bottom third in the league by almost every category or measure.

    Throwing 35 times in high winds while handing off 12 times in a game that was close through 3 quarters was just simply stupid imo. Hopefully that game was a wake up call.

   I don't expect he is going anywhere this season and I hope it improves, but I think keeping a poor coordinator around just for the sake of continuity is not a good move.

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3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The proof is in the pudding, or lack of pudding in this case. The Bills offense is bottom half to bottom third in the league by almost every category or measure.

    Throwing 35 times in high winds while handing off 12 times in a game that was close through 3 quarters was just simply stupid imo. Hopefully that game was a wake up call.

   I don't expect he is going anywhere this season and I hope it improves, but I think keeping a poor coordinator around just for the sake of continuity is not a good move.

 

OCs formulate game plans to attack defenses' weaknesses. Philly's biggest weakness was their secondary.  Their biggest strength was stopping the run.  What kind of gameplan do those strengths and weaknesses call for?  A heavy passing attack.  Josh is supposed to be able to throw through the wind, as should any NFL caliber QB.  Execution failed. It happens. 

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We do have offensive series where Daboll calls wonderful plays and we have really good drives. He’s just not consistent and we often see him try and be cute when there’s no need to. 

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39 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

"Toe" the line, not "tow" the line.

Depends.  Is there a boat?

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But the Bills are 6-2, they are winning games

If you can't be happy with Dayboll being 6-2 your obviously just a miserable person trying to bring everyone down and not a true fan. You would probably complain after the Bills win a Superbowl that Dayboll called the wrong running play during the game and wouldnt be able to enjoy the victory.... ...

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He definitely has his moments but there are some head scratches thrown in. I appreciate that, much like the rest of the team, he’s been doing enough to get by at this point. Plenty of room for improvement imo.

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57 minutes ago, TroutDog said:


We beat them by 15, the second largest margin of victory on Sunday. In addition, neither the Pats*** or Niners have beaten anyone either. 
 

Believe whatever you’d like, but it makes perfect sense to me and, personally, I’ll listen to a smart man a year removed from a decade long career above others. 

That's fine if you want to believe Wood.  Like others have said he's on the Bills payroll, so he's kinda obligated to say something nice.

 

I'm not even saying that Daboll isn't running a decent offensive scheme, but his playcalling is holding back this offense IMO.

 

Perfect example in from the Bills/Wash game, just on opposite sides - Wash Offense/Bills DEF.  We got gashed in the first half by Washington's running of the ball, but in the second half we adjusted to stop the run (put more ppl in the box / attack the LOS with more players) and shut them down.  But Washington couldn't take advantage that we focused to stop the run more bc they have a rookie QB in his first start...

 

Daboll's conservative playcalling in the second half stymied our offense just has much as Washington's DEF.

 

As for the Pats/Niners haven't beat anyone, that's not what I was taking about with Bellycheck mixing up types of plays AFTER he has put away the other team.

Just because we won by 15 doesn't mean that game was still up for grabs in the 4th QTR.

Lead by QTR: 1st, Bills +10; 2nd, Bills +11, 3rd, Bills +8 (1 score), 4th Bills +15. (Lucky we have a good DEF)

 

As for the Pats and putting ppl away:  Here's their margin of victory...

Steelers +30

Dolphins +43

Jets +16

Bills +6

Redskins +26

Giants +21

Jets +33

Browns +14

Baltimore -17

 

Most of their margins of victory are more points than we score in a whole game...

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There's nothing remotely innovative about Daboll's offense. Its boring and vanilla and yes it keeps things simple for Josh but it doesn't challenge him either. I find it so sad that the zenith of an innovative offense in Buffalo ended in the mid 90s.

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5 hours ago, Gugny said:

I'm a Daboll critic.  I think he has shown that he's capable of calling excellent plays, but the headscratchers are mounting by the week.  He either misuses or under-utilizes players too many times each week.  We've all seen Allen in a groove.  He's fierce.  Too many times (last week's first TD drive, for instance), Daboll will call perfect plays, the players will execute and a beautiful drive ends in 7 .... then he abandons everything that worked in that drive, for the rest of the game.  Get Josh in a groove and keep Josh in the groove.  Daboll isn't doing that.

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2 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

There's nothing remotely innovative about Daboll's offense. Its boring and vanilla and yes it keeps things simple for Josh but it doesn't challenge him either. I find it so sad that the zenith of an innovative offense in Buffalo ended in the mid 90s.

Ha ha ha okay. So many offenses are using the jet sweep motion on the regular in the NFL. 

9 minutes ago, hjnick said:

That's fine if you want to believe Wood.  Like others have said he's on the Bills payroll, so he's kinda obligated to say something nice.

 

I'm not even saying that Daboll isn't running a decent offensive scheme, but his playcalling is holding back this offense IMO.

 

Perfect example in from the Bills/Wash game, just on opposite sides - Wash Offense/Bills DEF.  We got gashed in the first half by Washington's running of the ball, but in the second half we adjusted to stop the run (put more ppl in the box / attack the LOS with more players) and shut them down.  But Washington couldn't take advantage that we focused to stop the run more bc they have a rookie QB in his first start...

 

Daboll's conservative playcalling in the second half stymied our offense just has much as Washington's DEF.

 

As for the Pats/Niners haven't beat anyone, that's not what I was taking about with Bellycheck mixing up types of plays AFTER he has put away the other team.

Just because we won by 15 doesn't mean that game was still up for grabs in the 4th QTR.

Lead by QTR: 1st, Bills +10; 2nd, Bills +11, 3rd, Bills +8 (1 score), 4th Bills +15. (Lucky we have a good DEF)

 

As for the Pats and putting ppl away:  Here's their margin of victory...

Steelers +30

Dolphins +43

Jets +16

Bills +6

Redskins +26

Giants +21

Jets +33

Browns +14

Baltimore -17

 

Most of their margins of victory are more points than we score in a whole game...

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Josh Allen and Tom Brady are different QB’s.

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5 hours ago, Gugny said:

I'm a Daboll critic.  I think he has shown that he's capable of calling excellent plays, but the headscratchers are mounting by the week.  He either misuses or under-utilizes players too many times each week.  We've all seen Allen in a groove.  He's fierce.  Too many times (last week's first TD drive, for instance), Daboll will call perfect plays, the players will execute and a beautiful drive ends in 7 .... then he abandons everything that worked in that drive, for the rest of the game.  Get Josh in a groove and keep Josh in the groove.  Daboll isn't doing that.

 

In an otherwise decent post, I'd like to ask why, "fans," is in quotation marks.  Daboll's got some good in him and I respect those who think he's doing a fine job.  We are, after all, 6-2.

 

To insinuate that Daboll critics aren't real fans is a pretty juvenile take.  Some fans are very happy with the current state of the Bills because they're 6-2.  Some of those fans are very happy, but still want necessary improvements to be made .... and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

 

 

They're ya go!

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7 hours ago, stuvian said:

running Gore 3 x in a row on the goal line was real innovative

Think back to the Super Bowl when the Seahawks got cute on the goal line and passed instead of giving it to BEASTMODE. 
 

We all know how that worked out. 
 

When you are on the goal line and have a beast of a back, run it! 

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13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Ha ha ha okay. So many offenses are using the jet sweep motion on the regular in the NFL. 

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Josh Allen and Tom Brady are different QB’s.

But hopefully Josh Allen is better than Tom Brady some day. :)

 

Yep, the are different.  They whole NewEngland comparison came from a post earlier about the conservative playcalling at the goal line and we didn't want to 'show' anything so we ran it 3 times up the gut.  All I said about that was NewEngland waits until it's garbage time to level out their playcalling tendancies... :)

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1 minute ago, hjnick said:

But hopefully Josh Allen is better than Tom Brady some day. :)

 

Yep, the are different.  They whole NewEngland comparison came from a post earlier about the conservative playcalling at the goal line and we didn't want to 'show' anything so we ran it 3 times up the gut.  All I said about that was NewEngland waits until it's garbage time to level out their playcalling tendancies... :)

Gotcha. I disagree with that interpretation of the goalline playcalling anyway.

 

NE runs it up the gut all the time. Gore and the OL needed to get a yard. That’s their job.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I love me some Wood, he knows his football, and I think he tells the truth as he sees it, but he IS an employee of the Bills.  He's hardly impartial.  If he told "the whole truth", he wouldn't be employed there.

 

The truth about Daboll is that at times, he is exactly as Wood describes.

 

At other times, he is not. 

 

We can listen to someone else who knows something about football, John Brown, when he comments "this is the most complicated offense I've ever played in" and when he comments that he ran the wrong route.  Allen has made several comments about miscommunication about routes.  HINT: hard working professional players are not miscommunicating about routes halfway through the season because the offense is "creative but simple".

 

It can also be seen at times that his blocking schemes aren't simple.  I've seen the Center and the RG pulling - ON A PLAY FAKE.  Yes, to "sell" the run, Daboll had the center and RG vacate space and pull on a pass play.  The D didn't bite and the result was pressure up the middle in Allen's face.  That isn't described as "creative but simple".   NE has the center pull.  Very few other teams do, for good reason.

 

I'm not part of the "fire Daboll" crowd, but I have seen puzzling calls and puzzling play designs that are "too cute" out of him.  If they're puzzling me, it's not because I'm too football-inept to understand their great genius (usually they did not succeed but in YPP words, "went over as well as a fart into the wind").  It's because they're genuinely puzzling at the "Football 101" level.

I go with the Cover1 guy (Fernando Schmude) who wrote that Daboll, like the rest of the Bills offense, needs to improve: "Overall, he called a good game, but surely, just like his QB and the rest of the offense, he’s still a work in progress. He needs to find a balance between being aggressive and conservative in his calls, and take advantage of the multifaceted potential of this offense, using it according to their opponents’ strengths and weaknesses."

 

The players, Allen in the forefront, Cowboy up and shoulder blame, saying it's on them to execute.  Truth.  But it's also on the coaches to call plays that work to his players' strengths and put them in positions to succeed.

 

 

 

The players and former players and analysts who are not affiliated with the team say he is good also.

 

No play caller is going to be perfect, however no one complains its cute when it works . How many times did josh run the sweep and it always worked but the one time it doesnt is when josh fumbles and suddenly Daboll is a bad playcaller and thats all BS. Also people were mad that he should run straight in on the goal line when hes being "gimmicky" and then he runs Gore and now he doesn't know what hes doing.

 

There is so much going on with playcalls, design, personnel groupings and strategy that most fans have no idea what they are talking about and its clear from the comments on this board and callers on the radio.

 

 

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Eric wood is a homer guys.

Ya'll know better then to trust analysis that is paid for by the team, come on now=P

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1 minute ago, BillsFan692 said:

Eric wood is a homer guys.

Ya'll know better then to trust analysis that is paid for by the team, come on now=P

 

if you actually watch him breaking down film and explaining why hes running plays that setup other plays Then maybe you could see hes not some homer.

 

Daboll is not the problem and he's going to be here for along time, Player execution is and its only getting better.

 

I think people are so conditioned to losing and complaining about it they dont know how to do anything else and are looking for something to cry about even though we are winning and the offense is much better than last year.

 

 

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8 hours ago, stuvian said:

running Gore 3 x in a row on the goal line was real innovative

 

Glad this was the very first post here.

 

OP is obviously clickbait.

 

I don't hate Daboll.  His offensive system and philosophy seem fantastic.  His in game play-calling is inconsistent and sometimes putrid.

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1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Glad this was the very first post here.

 

OP is obviously clickbait.

 

I don't hate Daboll.  His offensive system and philosophy seem fantastic.  His in game play-calling is inconsistent and sometimes putrid.

Even Bill Belichick runs goalline dives. Is he sometimes putrid?

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