boater Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Modern open air stadium, with some shelter, at the current Orchard Park site is option 1A. Realistic financially. True to roots. Option 1B is a dome at the current site in OP: acceptable. Is a stretch as to who is paying. A dome downtown = unacceptable. Unrealistic financially. Folly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, boater said: Modern open air stadium, with some shelter, at the current Orchard Park site is option 1A. Realistic financially. True to roots. Option 1B is a dome at the current site in OP: acceptable. Is a stretch as to who is paying. A dome downtown = unacceptable. Unrealistic financially. Folly. I like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I don't see the point in building a new stadium if it's not enclosed. I like the idea of a stadium with a lot of glass allowing natural light but indoors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Here's an easy solution for those who prefer to watch football in the elements. The new Bills dome can have a porch where hardcore fans can watch the game outside in the rain or snow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I've been pushing for a dome since the '07 Giants home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Here's an easy solution for those who prefer to watch football in the elements. The new Bills dome can have a porch where hardcore fans can watch the game outside in the rain or snow. Or they could add a bubble at current stadium for the witches who will melt in rain and too cheap to buy club seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Nextmanup said: When I think of football being played indoors, I think of watching a baseball game at Sky Dome in Toronto, which I've done many times. It's just the worst possible atmosphere and it totally kills the experience of a "day at the ball park." It's horrible! The NFL should have a rule that says "no domes allowed" and "must play on real grass." If that means in harsh climates the field is a dirt patch come December, so be it. Keep it real! the atmosphere for the Jays suffers when it’s closed but you are assured a game will be played and weather might be a factor for half the season in Toronto give and take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Did the Bills ever take a survey of season ticket holders of the type of new stadium they want ? How much more in ticket prices they would be willing to pay for a indoor stadium ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Steptide said: Serious question. I always hear how the Super Bowl bills knew how to win in cold weather and they didn't care about how bad the weather was. I was pretty young when the bills were in the super bowls (just before my teenage years). I could be wrong, but I don't remember alot of bad weather games then. So, my question is, how many bad weather games did that bills team play in? Did they play in that many at home? I don't remember There were several! The most memorable was the first round game v.s. Miami in the XXV year. Snowing and sliding through it, went the Bills. There was the -30 AFC Championship game v.s. the Raiders. That team, of course, was composed of HOFers. This one is not! I’m not EVER attending a cold weather game again. That was so 1990s and I’ve earned my Cold Badge. While the outdoors was delightful, it’s an anachronism today. However! The Bills are neither from a large metropolis, nor composed of upper income fans and deep pocket corporations. Building a beautiful dome (e.g. Indy- which I’ve attended) doesn’t come gratis. Tix prices would a least double, if not treble. Be careful what you wish for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 8:18 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Well you know why, don't you. I sit pretty high up and those flag poles along the rim of the stadium were shuddering. And I'm thinking 1) maybe flying all those flags in that wind is not the smartest idea, and 2) how long before one of those poles shakes loose and lands on someone? #lawsuits the flags are letting you know when to put your seatbelt on or GTHO of there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: The Bills record at home in December vs the Dolphins since 2009 in 3-2, not 5-0. Didn't a dome team like the Colts almost beat us in a snow storm in 2017. It's 2019. NFL teams are not neutralized because it's chilly or snowing. 3-2 = winning record. Indy game, still a win. Both those would be different if the weather was better. The snow was what kept Indy from winning. So agree to disagree. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 want the snow when the Bills are hosting the AFC title game again.... i did hear the announcers tell me the Eagles practised for the weather by going indoors during the week, then after the pause noted it was for the crowd noise. they didn't need to worry there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: 3-2 = winning record. Indy game, still a win. Both those would be different if the weather was better. The snow was what kept Indy from winning. So agree to disagree. ? My point is if snow and cold were such a huge advantage, the Bills would be undefeated, not a hair over .500. Weather advantage = fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: My point is if snow and cold were such a huge advantage, the Bills would be undefeated, not a hair over .500. Weather advantage = fake news. Bills fans boast about the horrible weather as an advantage doesn't help if the team isn't any good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Be careful what you ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 come up to Toronto to play the home games starting a week before the first killer frost, if the weather is too much for y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) On 10/29/2019 at 11:15 AM, PromoTheRobot said: This is no longer true. What was the last serious weather game we had at home before this past weekend, was it that snow game vs Indy? Because in a dome we would have crushed them, and instead the weather evened up the game and almost killed our drought-breaking playoff appearance before it happened. Edit: I see that this discussion has happened since you posting this, and that I am behind. I'll still leave this here Edited October 30, 2019 by arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Retractable roof. It's the only answer. They should do something like Lucas Oil Stadium. Beautiful, practical, and not over-the-top with design or price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Retractable roof. It's the only answer. They should do something like Lucas Oil Stadium. Beautiful, practical, and not over-the-top with design or price. how were they able to fund the Lucas OIL Stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, row_33 said: how were they able to fund the Lucas OIL Stadium? They just drilled another well Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, ALF said: Did the Bills ever take a survey of season ticket holders of the type of new stadium they want ? How much more in ticket prices they would be willing to pay for a indoor stadium ? Yes. Terry and Kim conducted a wide survey. Many here participated. They haven't released the results yet. But the structure of the questions will provide the data you are looking for if it is ever released. I suspect we'll find people talk a good bluster when it comes to stadium quality and cost; but when the rubber hits the road and translates into higher ticket costs and/or PSLs.. people will back off. Before you know it, the Bills are playing at All High Stadium. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: 3-2 = winning record. Indy game, still a win. Both those would be different if the weather was better. The snow was what kept Indy from winning. So agree to disagree. ? Indy was 4-12 that year. IIRC the weather actually made it a lot closer of a game than it should have been so it seems like the weather came close to hurting the Bills in this situation since it leveled the playing field against an inferior opponent. Edited October 30, 2019 by Metal Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, HOUSE said: that's all the space Tyrod could see as he temporarily shook in the pocket. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, Metal Man said: Indy was 4-12 that year. IIRC the weather actually made it a lot closer of a game than it should have been so it seems like the weather came close to hurting the Bills in this situation since it leveled the playing field against an inferior opponent. Kind of like that 8-0 loss to Cleveland back on Dec 16, 2007. Aren't you glad football is played in the elements? So much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: My point is if snow and cold were such a huge advantage, the Bills would be undefeated, not a hair over .500. Weather advantage = fake news. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Bills have sucked for 20 years could it? My point is that the weather has helped the Bills more than hurt them in their existence. The 90's Bills thrived on beating teams in bad weather. Edited October 30, 2019 by Bubba Gump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Bills have sucked for 20 years could it? Jeff Wright and Carlton Bailey didn't let a little bit of snow and cold weather get in the way of a huge play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Is it time for powdered wigs to come back as a fashionable look? NO Is it time for the government to put Richard Nixon's face on Mt. Rushmore? NO Is it time for Ford to revive and begin producing the Pinto once again? NO Is it time for the Bills to place Chris Kelsay's name on the Wall of Fame? NO Is it time for Francis Ford Coppola to make Godfather IV starring Vin Diesel as the new Don? NO Is it time for the Buffalo Bills to play in a dome? Hell No! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said: Is it time for powdered wigs to come back as a fashionable look? NO Is it time for the government to put Richard Nixon's face on Mt. Rushmore? NO Is it time for Ford to revive and begin producing the Pinto once again? NO Is it time for the Bills to place Chris Kelsay's name on the Wall of Fame? NO Is it time for Francis Ford Coppola to make Godfather IV starring Vin Diesel as the new Don? NO Is it time for the Buffalo Bills to play in a dome? Hell No! The new Godfather would have to be Adam Sandler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: I suddenly feel compelled to go watch reruns of ‘The Starlost’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said: Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Bills have sucked for 20 years could it? My point is that the weather has helped the Bills more than hurt them in their existence. The 90's Bills thrived on beating teams in bad weather. There are too many factors to say one way or another if weather helps the Bills win. You're opinion is it does, mine is it doesn't. But do you spend hundreds of millions on an open air facility just for the one time every few years where the weather gets so bad you get that alleged advantage? And what do you give up? Attendance? Free agents? The ability to monetize a stadium outside of football season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Kind of like that 8-0 loss to Cleveland back on Dec 16, 2007. Aren't you glad football is played in the elements? So much better. Come on now: that was Ohio snow, not western NY snow. It blows differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Come on now: that was Ohio snow, not western NY snow. It blows differently. always seemed the opposite in snow conditions for Cleveland and Buffalo during fall road trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Kind of like that 8-0 loss to Cleveland back on Dec 16, 2007. Aren't you glad football is played in the elements? So much better. How many games have been played like that, in Buffalo, in the last 20 years? It just doesn't happen that often. When it last happened a few years ago, 7 out of 10 fans around here seemed to positively LOVE the game. There were a few dissenting voices in the game thread, but folks really got into the snow and craziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 coldest Bills games, going back as far as 1975. Only 5 were played in Orchard Park. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/the-top-10-coldest-games-in-bills-history-5087866 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: How many games have been played like that, in Buffalo, in the last 20 years? It just doesn't happen that often. When it last happened a few years ago, 7 out of 10 fans around here seemed to positively LOVE the game. There were a few dissenting voices in the game thread, but folks really got into the snow and craziness. Right. So do you build an open air stadium just for that rare snow game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Snow games are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: There are too many factors to say one way or another if weather helps the Bills win. You're opinion is it does, mine is it doesn't. But do you spend hundreds of millions on an open air facility just for the one time every few years where the weather gets so bad you get that alleged advantage? And what do you give up? Attendance? Free agents? The ability to monetize a stadium outside of football season? Consider me old school, I'd rather sit in crappy weather than inside a controlled climate. I can't picture watching the Bills play inside. The "home" games in Toronto were horrible. I'm 51 now and still love the outdoor atmosphere. Maybe that'll change the older I get. But for now, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. I'm psyched for this Sunday as the weather is gonna be good football weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Domes are absolutely awful.... football is meant to be played in the open air, with weather part of the game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) If a new stadium is open air , then a better location with less snow and wind would help (sorry Hammer) just a thought. I would think the players would prefer indoor and free agents who have a choice where to go. It depends how much the owners and season ticket holders want to spend. If New Era is sound enough , more remodel would be the cheapest. Add more restrooms and upgrade the present ones. Edited November 2, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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