RocCityRoller Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) QB # Started Wins Losses Comp% 4th_Quarter_Comebacks Game_Winning_Drives 1 19 8 11 61.7 3 4 2 14 11 3 61.0 1 1 3 16 5 11 58.0 1 1 4 17 10 7 56.4 5 7 5 16 3 13 54.8 1 2 So the guy with the highest completion % has a losing record so far... QB 2 was considered the worst 'throwing' QB of the draft but has the second highest completion percentage of the Big 5 in 2018 and the most wins. QBs not numbered 4 have a total of 6 4th quarter comebacks, and 8 game winning drives. QB 4 has the second worst completion percentage, but has 5 4th quarter comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. Some may say that guy is clutch. That QB is of course Josh Allen. QB 1 = Baker Mayfield QB 2 = Lamar Jackson QB 3 = Sam Darnold QB 4 = Josh Allen QB 5 = Josh Rosen If you were down 10 with the 4th quarter to go who would you want to be the QB of your team? Waaaayyy back after Josh Allen was drafted I looked for a QB, any QB with his college metrics, moxy, athleticism and IQ to JA. The only QB I could find was Brett Favre. I got roasted pretty hard. I still think the analysis holds true. Based on college metrics and success Brett Favre was a once in 20 year QB and JA has higher scores in Wonderlic, 40 time etc. Both of them are gamers, unafraid to make any throw, can get away from trouble, and not daunted being down 2 scores. They also both made/ will make head scratching terrible throws. We all remember Brett Favre the HOF and Super Bowl winner. We forget the awful picks and bad games. That is because despite bad halves, bad picks, or bad games Favre always bounced back. JA is showing the same. Look at last week, 1st half for JA was a disaster, second half was what 10-11 120 yds 2 TD and 0 turnovers? JA just gets into a zone at times, and it's great to watch. The rest of the NFL is slow to acknowledge it, but don't let JA get into a zone. He has done it in multiple games. Funk, funk, funk, EXPLOSION, funk. We have yet to see a complete game. it is coming. Brees took years to develop, Manning took years to develop, Favre took years to develop. I love this QB. He hates to lose, he will try any throw, and can get out of trouble if needed. There will be 'bad Josh' even 10 years from now. But 'good Josh' is spectacular, and is clutch. 70% of his wins are game winning drives. Keep a good D around this guy and Buffalo will be in every game he starts for his career. And yes I still think they should get RB help before the deadline. Edited October 22, 2019 by RocCityRoller 9 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: QB # Started Wins Losses Comp% 4th_Quarter_Comebacks Game_Winning_Drives 1 19 8 11 61.7 3 4 2 14 11 3 61.0 1 1 3 16 5 11 58.0 1 1 4 17 10 7 56.4 5 7 5 16 3 13 54.8 1 2 So the guy with the highest completion % has a losing record so far... QB 2 was considered the worst 'throwing' QB of the draft but has the second highest completion percentage of the Big 5 in 2018. QBs not numbered 4 have a total of 6 4th quarter comebacks, and 8 game winning drives. QB 4 has the second worst completion percentage, but has 5 4th quarter comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. Some may say that guy is clutch. That QB is of course Josh Allen. QB 1 = Baker Mayfield QB 2 = Lamar Jackson QB 3 = Sam Darnold QB 4 = Josh Allen QB 5 = Josh Rosen If you were down 10 with the 4th quarter to go who would you want to be the QB of your team? Waaaayyy back after Josh Allen was drafted I looked for a QB, any QB with his college metrics, moxy, athleticism and IQ. The only QB I could find was Brett Favre. I got roasted pretty hard. I still think the analysis holds true. Based on college metrics and success Brett Favre was a once in 20 year QB and JA has higher scores in Wonderlic, 40 time etc. Both of them are gamers, unafraid to make any throw, can get away from trouble, and not daunted being down 2 scores. They also both made/ will make head scratching terrible throws. We all remember Brett Favre the HOF and Super Bowl winner. We forget the awful picks and bad games. That is because despite bad halves, bad picks, or bad games Favre always bounced back. JA is showing the same. Look at last week, 1st half for JA was a disaster, second half was what 10-11 120 yds 2 TD and 0 turnovers? JA just gets into a zone at times, and it's great to watch. The rest of the NFL is slow to acknowledge it, but don't let JA get into a zone. He has done it in multiple games. Funk, funk, funk, EXPLOSION, funk. We have yet to see a complete game. it is coming. Brees took years to develop, Manning took years to develop, Favre took years to develop. I love this QB. He hates to lose, he will try any throw, and can get out of trouble if needed. There will be 'bad Josh' even 10 years from now. But 'good Josh' is spectacular, and is clutch. 70% of his wins are game winning drives. Keep a good D around this guy and Buffalo will be in every game he starts for his career. And yes I still think they should get RB help before the deadline. People seem to forget Tom Brady was a game manager to begin his career. Lots of wr bubble screens and dink and dunk punt then play defense. He grew into Tom Terrific after about 4-5 years of starting. Just be patient with Josh Allen. Let him grow into that franchise QB we all want. Its coming. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ChattanoogaBills said: People seem to forget Tom Brady was a game manager to begin his career. Lots of wr bubble screens and dink and dunk punt then play defense. He grew into Tom Terrific after about 4-5 years of starting. Just be patient with Josh Allen. Let him grow into that franchise QB we all want. Its coming. Agree 100%. Early Drew Brees was ok, but not a game winner. I remember his early career in SD. Looked completely rattled in his first playoff game. SD gave up on him. JA is a franchise QB. Give it some time. He has 'it'. He is a curve pusher, a multiple sigma stat destroyer. JA has 10 wins, 7 of them were game winning drives and it's less than 20 games in. Dude is a gamer and wants to win, and he is all Buffalo. Edited October 22, 2019 by RocCityRoller 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Josh is the only QB we have had probably since Drew Bledsoe that I don't feel like we are out of the game when we fall behind, our defense definitely helps but I believe we always have a chance to win the game with him behind center. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We have seen 2 complete games from Allen. The first was against the Vikings last year and the 2nd was his 5 TD game against the Dolphins week 17 last year. This year, though, we haven't seen a complete game. But he still shows that he's a winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I feel like we're kind of all around the punch bowl drinking the coolaide but it tastes pretty good. There is enough data on either side right now to make any point you like. Only time will tell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Good work RocCityRoller (is that, as in Rock City near Olean?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Lamar is the surprise to me , good pick by the Ravens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, ChattanoogaBills said: People seem to forget Tom Brady was a game manager to begin his career. Lots of wr bubble screens and dink and dunk punt then play defense. He grew into Tom Terrific after about 4-5 years of starting. Just be patient with Josh Allen. Let him grow into that franchise QB we all want. Its coming. Someone wrote it, so must be correct..... Right???? Wrong.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm Threw for over 300 in his 3rd start. By 2002 (one year under his belt) had 3 300 yard game, 28 TD's & 3800 yards passing..... And the Pats were only 9-7..... So when you post something, check the stats first. Also a different game in 2001/02 vs. 2019 BTW Wrong on Brees too...../ Edited October 22, 2019 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 He's somewhere between Brady ad Favre, got it. Wow. I'd advise a review of Brady's first 4-5 year stats his; JA isn't close to replicating any of those years if we extrapolate this year to the end. Brady has never had one season with a completion percentage below 60%. He's never had a season where his TF to INT ratio was what close to inverted, like JA's 15:19 through this first 16 starts. The constant JA hopes and dreams here are laughable in not only how much people's live revolve around this question but also the lengths they go to try and compare him to Hall of Famers. Maybe he'll be good. But maybe he'll flame out. But in this pass happy league, he has some of the traits you don't like to see. Bad reads, indecisiveness, lower than average accuracy (I admit it's getting better). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, zonabb said: He's somewhere between Brady ad Favre, got it. Wow. I'd advise a review of Brady's first 4-5 year stats his; JA isn't close to replicating any of those years if we extrapolate this year to the end. Brady has never had one season with a completion percentage below 60%. He's never had a season where his TF to INT ratio was what close to inverted, like JA's 15:19 through this first 16 starts. The constant JA hopes and dreams here are laughable in not only how much people's live revolve around this question but also the lengths they go to try and compare him to Hall of Famers. Maybe he'll be good. But maybe he'll flame out. But in this pass happy league, he has some of the traits you don't like to see. Bad reads, indecisiveness, lower than average accuracy (I admit it's getting better). I want to believe in Allen & think he has the ability. The offensive schemes & play calling unfortunately still lacking in my view. What we have seen is when the game is on the line in the 4th, he has produced, which tells me the coaching for the majority of the game holds him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Someone wrote it, so must be correct..... Right???? Wrong.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm Threw for over 300 in his 3rd start. By 2002 (one year under his belt) had 3 300 yard game, 28 TD's & 3800 yards passing..... And the Pats were only 9-7..... So when you post something, check the stats first. Also a different game in 2001/02 vs. 2019 BTW Wrong on Brees too...../ While Brady's completion percentage and INT numbers were better early than Allen's he was definitely talked about as a game manager at the time. He had 6 games under 200 yards passing his second season. 2 games under 100 his first season. Even into his 3rd season he had 7 games under 200 yards passing and one under 100. The difference is Brady's best games were better than we have seen from Allen thus far. I am in no way saying Allen is Brady, but it is true that Brady didn't come into the league as a consistently prolific passer. That came a few years later. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) QB 1 = Baker Mayfield - tried to run away from the cops - idiot QB 2 = Lamar Jackson - Tyrod 2.0 QB 3 = Sam Darnold - Blockhead, well maybe he was smart to not throw at the combine. look where it got him. QB 4 = Josh Allen - the Right Josh QB 5 = Josh Rosen - I got nothing but he won't ever get a legit shot at trying to be a starter those are the only metrics I know about college ball Edited October 22, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: QB 1 = Baker Mayfield - tried to run away from the cops - idiot QB 2 = Lamar Jackson - Tyrod 2.0 QB 3 = Sam Darnold - Blockhead, well maybe he was smart to not throw at the combine. look where it got him. QB 4 = Josh Allen - the Right Josh QB 5 = Josh Rosen - I got nothing but he won't ever get a legit shot at trying to be a starter those are the only metrics I know about college ball Rosen came out firing after the draft like everyone ahead of them made mistakes. LJ just said I'm happy to be drafted and prepared for football season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: QB 1 = Baker Mayfield - tried to run away from the cops - idiot QB 2 = Lamar Jackson - Tyrod 2.0 QB 3 = Sam Darnold - Blockhead, well maybe he was smart to not throw at the combine. look where it got him. QB 4 = Josh Allen - the Right Josh QB 5 = Josh Rosen - I got nothing but he won't ever get a legit shot at trying to be a starter those are the only metrics I know about college ball I think Jackson is better than Tyrod. Jackson doesn't seem to be afraid to pull the trigger like Tyrod was. Still not entirely sold on Jackson long term, but he's better than Tyrod. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: Rosen came out firing after the draft like everyone ahead of them made mistakes. LJ just said I'm happy to be drafted and prepared for football season. Actually, LJ said 'They're going to get a super bowl out of me. Believe that.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Actually, LJ said 'They're going to get a super bowl out of me. Believe that.' Confident, not like jilted i guess? I dunno rosen came off very sour grapes on what should be the like big day of ur career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, dneveu said: Confident, not like jilted i guess? I dunno rosen came off very sour grapes on what should be the like big day of ur career. Sure, but definitely not humble ho-hum haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, ALF said: Lamar is the surprise to me , good pick by the Ravens. He's not supposed to be having success as a QB because the NFL says he's a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Buffaloaf said: While Brady's completion percentage and INT numbers were better early than Allen's he was definitely talked about as a game manager at the time. He had 6 games under 200 yards passing his second season. 2 games under 100 his first season. Even into his 3rd season he had 7 games under 200 yards passing and one under 100. The difference is Brady's best games were better than we have seen from Allen thus far. I am in no way saying Allen is Brady, but it is true that Brady didn't come into the league as a consistently prolific passer. That came a few years later. And 5 of the 6 were losses, which meant he did not play well. The only win was by 10 over Buffalo, where he threw for 183 in December and they were up 17 in the fourth until a late TD with a minute to go. Again further points out that if he did play better those other 5 games, they may have won..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Someone wrote it, so must be correct..... Right???? Wrong.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm Threw for over 300 in his 3rd start. By 2002 (one year under his belt) had 3 300 yard game, 28 TD's & 3800 yards passing..... And the Pats were only 9-7..... So when you post something, check the stats first. Also a different game in 2001/02 vs. 2019 BTW Wrong on Brees too...../ This is such a disingenuous post. I love that you present his 300 yd game that season and forget to mention he threw the ball 54 times in that game, and averaged 177 yds per game in the other 14 games. That was a team with a very good deffense and, yes, Brady was not much more than a game manager. He did throw for 300 yards against the Raiders in their first playoff game; however, again, he threw the ball over 50 times (with no TDs and 1 INT in a game they barely won 16-13). In the other two playoff games, including the Super Bowl, he averaged around 130 yds per game. His big claim to fame that year was that he did lead them into winning field goal range in the SB. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: He's not supposed to be having success as a QB because the NFL says he's a RB. Outside of the 1st two games this season, his success has largely come from running the ball. Overall, he has been successful, though, and you cannot ignore that he is 11-3 as a starter. However, since the 1st two games, his passing game appears to have reverted to what it was last year. I think, for sustainable success, he needs to be better from the pocket. This reminds me a lot of what Roman did with Kaepernick. Sooner or later, teams will develop a blueprint for keeping him relatively in check as a runner. Then we will see. That is what I like with Allen this year: Learning to rely on his skills in the pocket rather than with his legs. He has a long way to go; however, it is the only way he will truly be successful long term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: This is such a disingenuous post. I love that you present his 300 yd game that season and forget to mention he threw the ball 54 times in that game, and averaged 177 yds per game in the other 14 games. That was a team with a very good deffense and, yes, Brady was not much more than a game manager. He did throw for 300 yards against the Raiders in their first playoff game; however, again, he threw the ball over 50 times (with no TDs and 1 INT in a game they barely won 16-13). In the other two playoff games, including the Super Bowl, he averaged around 130 yds per game. His big claim to fame that year was that he did lead them into winning field goal range in the SB. It's a fact..... He was too a 6th round pick thrust into the starting roll and did win a SB. The 300 yard game in the regular season was an OT win (as was the Raider's game). Remember he was not the 7th pick in the draft, and NE had no real idea what they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, ALF said: Lamar is the surprise to me , good pick by the Ravens. I know we throw around "potential" and "ceiling" far too often, but I'm looking forward to the type of player Lamar becomes. He's a monster and the biggest playmaker among the 2018 QBs. Edited October 22, 2019 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, Buffaloaf said: I think Jackson is better than Tyrod. Jackson doesn't seem to be afraid to pull the trigger like Tyrod was. Still not entirely sold on Jackson long term, but he's better than Tyrod. Ya. More Mike Vick than throd9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: It's a fact..... He was too a 6th round pick thrust into the starting roll and did win a SB. The 300 yard game in the regular season was an OT win (as was the Raider's game). Remember he was not the 7th pick in the draft, and NE had no real idea what they had. I don't particularly care what round he was picked in or how he ended up in the starting role. The point was that you told a poster he was WRONG in claiming Brady was a game manager to begin his career, and cherry picked a stat line to prove your point. Anyone who actually watched those games knows that was exactly what Brady was at the beginning. BTW: In the 300 yard games you mention of Brady's those 1st three years, he had over 50 attempts in all but one. I would venture to guess that if Allen threw the ball over 50 times in any of the games this year, he would probably have a few 300 yard games under his belt. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And 5 of the 6 were losses, which meant he did not play well. The only win was by 10 over Buffalo, where he threw for 183 in December and they were up 17 in the fourth until a late TD with a minute to go. Again further points out that if he did play better those other 5 games, they may have won..... I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Brady was a game manager type QB his first few years as a starter. He didn't start lighting the league on fire until a couple years later. Maybe you have a different definition of game manager? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Ya. More Mike Vick than throd9 He's a better passer right now than Vick ever was IMO. Vick didn't really develop his passing skills at all until he got to Philly. In Atlanta he was almost entirely reliant on his running ability and his cannon of an arm. Lamar's pocket presence is already among the best in the league and his ability to read defenses already surpasses Vick pretty comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Buffaloaf said: I think Jackson is better than Tyrod. Jackson doesn't seem to be afraid to pull the trigger like Tyrod was. Still not entirely sold on Jackson long term, but he's better than Tyrod. you did see Tyrod 2.0 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloaf Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: you did see Tyrod 2.0 right? Guess I misunderstood what you meant. Seems we are in agreement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I see no need to doctor up stats, I find this morally unacceptable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 If there is an NFL draft and these are the 5 QB available where does Allen get picked? I say he goes 3rd behind Mayfield and Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, Buffaloaf said: I think Jackson is better than Tyrod. Jackson doesn't seem to be afraid to pull the trigger like Tyrod was. Still not entirely sold on Jackson long term, but he's better than Tyrod. I think Lamar Jackson is AMAZING. His running is Vick-like, and he may be a better passer than Vick, BUT he is going to have a short career playing at this level if he doesn't play safer. I saw him a couple of times this week escape big hits. It was amazing, but it just takes one. I'm not rooting for it, but if he doesn't change his style it is inevitable, and the injuries will likely reduce his effectiveness. Of course, if he changes his style, will he be as good? Probably not, so in the long run, even if Lamar has a better 2019 or 2020 than Darnold and Allen, Darnold and Allen (even Mayfield) may likely have better careers. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: He's not supposed to be having success as a QB because the NFL says he's a RB. That is pretty much what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Someone wrote it, so must be correct..... Right???? Wrong.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm Threw for over 300 in his 3rd start. By 2002 (one year under his belt) had 3 300 yard game, 28 TD's & 3800 yards passing..... And the Pats were only 9-7..... So when you post something, check the stats first. Also a different game in 2001/02 vs. 2019 BTW Wrong on Brees too...../ Stats are for losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, zonabb said: He's somewhere between Brady ad Favre, got it. Wow. I'd advise a review of Brady's first 4-5 year stats his; JA isn't close to replicating any of those years if we extrapolate this year to the end. Brady has never had one season with a completion percentage below 60%. He's never had a season where his TF to INT ratio was what close to inverted, like JA's 15:19 through this first 16 starts. The constant JA hopes and dreams here are laughable in not only how much people's live revolve around this question but also the lengths they go to try and compare him to Hall of Famers. Maybe he'll be good. But maybe he'll flame out. But in this pass happy league, he has some of the traits you don't like to see. Bad reads, indecisiveness, lower than average accuracy (I admit it's getting better). I'm not trying to call you out, but I'm calling you out because there is so much wrong with this post. You didn't seem to grasp the nature of the post at all. That happens. But then you conflate things with a ridiculous straw man argument that went over the top. Bringing Brady into the conversation is asinine. Where did I mention Brady in the OP? Where did I compare JA or any 2018 QB with Brady? I clearly compared the top 5 QB selections in what is supposed to be a good QB draft and compared them against each other. I pointed out an overlooked FACT when comparing QBs. After that I compared 1 QB to 1 QB in the past with what I find to be similar traits. Prove me wrong with facts, not ridiculous statements. The nature of the post, since you missed it completely, is that stats don't always tell the story. Sometimes a QB is better than the stats tell. That is why I included completion % in the comparison, to be honest. Some QBs have the moxy to win games they shouldn't. 5 QBs were first round talent, one QB has almost as many 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives as the other 4 combined about a season in. That means something, and it should be a point of hope to a fan base. Keep a game within reach, and let the QB do his job, win. There are one or two QBs you can say that about in the last 20 years. One is very much like JA. I mention Brett Favre and have all along because his college completion % was bad. He came from a smaller school. He was elusive and could scramble. He had a devil may care moxy and attitude. He had a lot of terrible games and head scratching throws. He had a canon for an arm. Does this not sound familiar? He also found ways to win. Fans felt that no deficit in the 4th quarter was insurmountable. Sometimes it was true, more often than not. JA has 7 game winning drives in 17 games. That is a FACT. Whether you like it or not. 70% of his wins are comebacks. 70%. No other 2018 QB has more than 4, another fact. I'll take the roller coaster as long as JA finds ways to win. JA will drive us nuts, so did Brett Favre to GB fans. They are far more similar than they are different. JA is a natural winner and he is proving it. He is better at it than the rest of his class despite the metrics and the stats. That was the point of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) since some people here tend to argue nonsense I thought I would look back to Brady, Brees, Manning and Favre for 4QCB and GWD QB Games started Wins Losses 4QCB GWD Brees 27 10 17 2 5 (3 seasons) Brady 30 20 10 5 6 (3 seasons) Manning 32 16 16 7 8 (2 seasons) Favre 29 17 12 6 6 (3 seasons) Mahomes 23 17 6 3 4 (3rd season) Kelly 28 10 18 2 2 (2nd season*) Allen 17 10 7 5 7 (in 2nd season) What JA is doing is special. He is the definition of a clutch QB. If he is doing this in year 2, what will he be in yrs 4-5? Edited October 22, 2019 by RocCityRoller 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: QB 4 has the second worst completion percentage, but has 5 4th quarter comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. Some may say that guy is clutch. But 'good Josh' is spectacular, and is clutch. 70% of his wins are game winning drives. Keep a good D around this guy and Buffalo will be in every game he starts for his career. And yes I still think they should get RB help before the deadline. To paraphrase what prominent man once said of the late John McCain: Josh Allen is a QB hero because he falls behind in games and then has to dig himself with 4th quarter drives. I prefer QB heroes who don't fall behind in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: since some people here tend to argue nonsense I thought I would look back to Brady, Brees, Manning and Favre for 4QCB and GWD QB Games started Wins Losses 4QCB GWD Brees 27 10 17 2 5 (3 seasons) Brady 30 20 10 5 6 (3 seasons) Manning 32 16 16 7 8 (2 seasons) Favre 29 17 12 6 6 (3 seasons) Mahomes 23 17 6 3 4 (3rd season) Kelly 28 10 18 2 2 (2nd season*) Allen 17 10 7 5 7 (in 2nd season) What JA is doing is special. He is the definition of a clutch QB. If he is doing this in year 2, what will he be in yrs 4-5? I am an Allen fan because he is a Bill & I want him to succeed. And yes he has been very good in the 4th & again IO blame the first 3 on the Bills game plan and their "The team is built on Defense" attitude. I'm looking at the QB's you've noted and they were given the keys to succeed. Peyton they hung their hat on, Brady was a 6th round pick, Brees was selected 32nd. Favre 33rd...... As the #7 pick the Bills need to see what he can do for 4 quarters, not just the Fourth!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: To paraphrase what prominent man once said of the late John McCain: Josh Allen is a QB hero because he falls behind in games and then has to dig himself with 4th quarter drives. I prefer QB heroes who don't fall behind in the first place. No this is a coaching issue..... I blame the schemes & coaching 75%, JA 25%...... Sorry my imaginary 300 yard threshold is my measuring point and can't believe the Bills have gone 40 games. 29!!!!! QB's have done it already this year....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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