Josh Allen - week FIVE report card

[GG]

28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm wondering if Matt Barkley would have run the offense better.

 

 

Looking at the offensive game plan and how Allen played, there were few instances where his full athletic ability was needed.  So, Barkley would probably been the same.

 

This is the exact step that Allen needed to take to continue elevating his game.  Plays smart and within the confines of the game plan.   If he played like this last week, he doesn't get hurt and Bills walk away with a W.

[ddaryl]

B

 

He bounced back some still made a few ill advised moves. He slid better when running so it looks like the concussion woke his ass up on that part of his game. Threw the ball away instead of hero balling it. 

 

He has the warriors spirit just has to hone the game down some more.

 

In regards to how the Bills receivers react to Josh when he is scrambling. There is much need for improvement.  They  are not coming back to the QB well enough and they're bunching up with no real sense of protocol. I think this part of the Bills offense is where are biggest improvements can happen. Lots of big plays can be made with Josh srambling. We need a better "Firedrill" plan to support this part of Josh's game.

Edited October 7, 2019 by ddaryl

[Charles Romes]

To me it looks like he has stopped trying to throw people open with anticipation like he was in weeks 1-3.  He seemed to be single reading and staring down his primary a lot more rather than looking off and scanning the field. To his credit, he got away with it for the most part on Sunday because he was accurate enough and because of his arm strength.  But what I saw Sunday was not a recipe for long term success like the first half of the Giants game was.  

Edited October 7, 2019 by Charles Romes

[Mike in Horseheads]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Cole was actually wide open but Knox ran right to him bringing defenders with him.  

Yeldon was also in the mess and I think he wanted to take the blame but Josh blamed himself.

[CincyBillsFan]

The bottom line is that we'll never know whether Allen was throwing to Beasley or Yeldon.  But what we do know IMO is:

 

*  The INT was NOT a terrible throw nor was it an example of hero ball.  It was an aggressive throw of the type that most of our QB's over the last 20 years would not or could not make.  IMO he should keep making those throws.

 

*  The Bills receivers need to improve their scramble drill.  It looks like a fire drill out there.  For the 2nd week in a row Knox brought his cover guys into the area Allen threw the ball to.  Both Beasley & Yeldon come to full stops while NOT looking back at Allen.  They're looking at each other.  That's not good.

 

*  There is room for big improvements here by the receivers.  A casual glance at other NFL games featuring mobile QB's shows receivers fanning out and getting open on these types of plays.  With the Bills they seldom get open and look confused.

 

*  My expectation (hope) is that after the bye we're going to start seeing big plays in these scenarios.  With the exception of Jones all the receivers on this team are either new guys or rookies.  They haven't played much together and when things break down the rookies are probably more often then not going to the wrong place.  You know like running up to Beasley to say hi during the play!

 

*  We should be excited because the odds of the players & Dabold fixing this are very good.  In fact this is part of the price you pay for totally overhauling your offensive skill positions.  It takes time for all involved to gel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

*  The INT was NOT a terrible throw nor was it an example of hero ball.  It was an aggressive throw of the type that most of our QB's over the last 20 years would not or could not make.  IMO he should keep making those throws.

 

oh how this could be read IF this pass was intended for a disliked player.

I'll leave it at that 

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The bottom line is that we'll never know whether Allen was throwing to Beasley or Yeldon.  But what we do know IMO is:

 

*  The INT was NOT a terrible throw nor was it an example of hero ball.  It was an aggressive throw of the type that most of our QB's over the last 20 years would not or could not make.  IMO he should keep making those throws.

 

 

I disagree slightly. I think it was a bad throw and I think it was an example of hero ball. But it absolutely is the type of throw Josh should keep making. It is his ability in those situations that makes him special. I don't want to turn Josh into a scared game manager just because we have a great defense. I am fine with him throwing 35 times a game. He will make dumb mistakes his whole career.... Favre did and Big Ben has too.... but he can make special plays just like those two. For God's sake let's not try and coach that out of him. 

[Thurman Kelly]

C -

A big improvement from last week's F.  Threw the ball away more.  Only threw one interception (which, IMHO, was entirely on him, not the receiver).  Was largely ineffective.  Didn't complete much downfield.  Still took a big hit on a run instead of getting down.

 

If this really was the best game of his career so far, he's got a long way to go.  If Buffalo didn't have the elite defense that it does, most Bills fans would already be talking about drafting a QB next year.  That great defense has bought Allen more time to try to show he can reach the next level.  Unless he can least average a B grade over the rest of the season, it's time to look for someone else.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Thurman Kelly said:

C -

A big improvement from last week's F.  Threw the ball away more.  Only threw one interception (which, IMHO, was entirely on him, not the receiver).  Was largely ineffective.  Didn't complete much downfield.  Still took a big hit on a run instead of getting down.

 

If this really was the best game of his career so far, he's got a long way to go.  If Buffalo didn't have the elite defense that it does, most Bills fans would already be talking about drafting a QB next year.  That great defense has bought Allen more time to try to show he can reach the next level.  Unless he can least average a B grade over the rest of the season, it's time to look for someone else.

this is awful

[Charles Romes]

19 minutes ago, Thurman Kelly said:

C -

A big improvement from last week's F.  Threw the ball away more.  Only threw one interception (which, IMHO, was entirely on him, not the receiver).  Was largely ineffective.  Didn't complete much downfield.  Still took a big hit on a run instead of getting down.

 

If this really was the best game of his career so far, he's got a long way to go.  If Buffalo didn't have the elite defense that it does, most Bills fans would already be talking about drafting a QB next year.  That great defense has bought Allen more time to try to show he can reach the next level.  Unless he can least average a B grade over the rest of the season, it's time to look for someone else.

 

Agree - the D’s play is preventing a lot of questions from being asked.  I like Allen and still think and hope he can become a true franchise quarterback.  He is not there yet, and as much as we all want him to get there, that day may never come.  I would rather pursue a course where we can move on from him quickly if we have to, rather than move on after 5 years like the Titans will have to do with Mariota, or the Dolphins did with Tannehill. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Yeldon was also in the mess and I think he wanted to take the blame but Josh blamed himself.

 

Yeah after watching the play again, I think it was intended for Yeldon and he let up causing the INT.  When it happened, I didn’t even realize Yeldonwas that close and running right towards where Josh threw it.  

 

I think this INT is less on Josh and more on Yeldon.

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah after watching the play again, I think it was intended for Yeldon and he let up causing the INT.  When it happened, I didn’t even realize Yeldonwas that close and running right towards where Josh threw it.  

 

I think this INT is less on Josh and more on Yeldon.

Either way it had to be a busted play with them running each other over etc

[Thurman Kelly]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah after watching the play again, I think it was intended for Yeldon and he let up causing the INT.  When it happened, I didn’t even realize Yeldonwas that close and running right towards where Josh threw it.  

 

I think this INT is less on Josh and more on Yeldon.

 

Any time that a play breaks down into a scramble the receiver's routes are either finished, or they modify them to respond to the scramble.  It's common, under those conditions, for receivers to stop/start or change route.  They are thinking on the fly.  It's hard to predict.  That's exactly why it's a bad idea to throw into the middle of coverage off of a scramble.  Too many variables.  That's why those throws result in so many picks.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Thurman Kelly

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

 

Agree - the D’s play is preventing a lot of questions from being asked.  I like Allen and still think and hope he can become a true franchise quarterback.  He is not there yet, and as much as we all want him to get there, that day may never come.  I would rather pursue a course where we can move on from him quickly if we have to, rather than move on after 5 years like the Titans will have to do with Mariota, or the Dolphins did with Tannehill. 

Bad analogy, JA has shown more upside in his first 16 games than either of those guys. And, as was pointed out by Gunner upstream, you want him to be that swashbuckling player he is. Both those guys play so conservatively its painful to watch sometimes. If I have a chance between reigning in a fast, wild horse and trying to make a slow nag faster.....I'm going with the previous!

[billsfan1959]

On 10/7/2019 at 7:32 AM, Foxx said:

thank you for this.

 

watching the game after they showed the replay on TV, i thought it was Yeldon's fault because he stopped on the play. however after watching it from this angle and in slo-mo, i do believe he was throwing to Beaser. Yeldon pulled up because he thought that too. we have seen many times Josh throwing it low to Beaser (whether on purpose or not) and that is what was happening here because of the coverage all around him.  would have to see the All 22 to see where Allen's head is and hopefully his eyes are but just from this angle, the pick was on Allen.

 

I added the All 22 view of the interception below. I still believe he is throwing to Yeldon. When he first takes the snap he first looks to Beasley and then over to Yeldon. He then scrambles to avoid a sack, looks to Beasley again and then to Yeldon. When the ball leaves Allen's hand, the DB is almost directly behind Yeldon. If Yeldon continues running, he almost certainly would have stayed in front of the DB and be in position to make the catch.

 

I will change my mind and put the blame on neither. As I said above in another post, you have WRs trying to adjust to a QB trying to evade a sack, and a QB trying to react to the WR's adjustments. Not to mention, it involved a QB and 3 WRs who have played 5 total NFL games together. 

 

I don't think it was an ill advised pass. Allen had stopped and set up. He was interpreting the adjustment of his WR and put the ball where he thought that WR would be.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

On 10/7/2019 at 5:17 PM, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Bad analogy, JA has shown more upside in his first 16 games than either of those guys. And, as was pointed out by Gunner upstream, you want him to be that swashbuckling player he is. Both those guys play so conservatively its painful to watch sometimes. If I have a chance between reigning in a fast, wild horse and trying to make a slow nag faster.....I'm going with the previous!

 

Tannehill is a fraud. He doesn't even try and win. He just tries to stop people realising how bad he sucks. Allen is always trying to win even if at times it is ill advised. 

[Warcodered]

 

[Kelly the Dog]

14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I added the All 22 view of the interception below. I still believe he is throwing to Yeldon. When he first takes the snap he first looks to Beasley and then over to Yeldon. He then scrambles to avoid a sack, looks to Beasley again and then to Yeldon. When the ball leaves Allen's hand, the DB is almost directly behind Yeldon. If Yeldon continues running, he almost certainly would have stayed in front of the DB and be in position to make the catch.

 

I will change my mind and put the blame on neither. As I said above in another post, you have WRs trying to adjust to a QB trying to evade a sack, and a QB trying to react to the WR's adjustments. Not to mention, it involved a QB and 3 WRs who have played 5 total NFL games together. 

 

I don't think it was an ill advised pass. Allen had stopped and set up. He was interpreting the adjustment of his WR and put the ball where he thought that WR would be.

 

 

I think that shows it well that he was trying to hit Yelson and if anything it would have been incomplete if not a first down catch. It was also 3rd and 6. That was not at all an instance of hero ball.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think that shows it well that he was trying to hit Yelson and if anything it would have been incomplete if not a first down catch. It was also 3rd and 6. That was not at all an instance of hero ball.

 

See I still think it was. He has a guy who is covered at the sticks. He tries to force it in. It is the sort of hero ball I want him to play. But it is still hero ball. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

See I still think it was. He has a guy who is covered at the sticks. He tries to force it in. It is the sort of hero ball I want him to play. But it is still hero ball. 

I see where you are coming from, and I totally understand your point of you want him to do stuff like this, but "hero-ball" has a terrible connotation as being glaringly bad and completely ill-advised, and trying to win the game on one throw, and this pass to me is none of that kind of stuff. It wasn't even all that dangerous or ill-advised. If it were second or first down - MAYBE. If he is throwing against his body - FOR SURE. But he looks, sets and throws what looks to me like a very accurate ball.

[Scott7975]

13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think that shows it well that he was trying to hit Yelson and if anything it would have been incomplete if not a first down catch. It was also 3rd and 6. That was not at all an instance of hero ball.

 

God this angle makes me scratch my head even more wondering why Yeldon stopped.

[Lurker]

34 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I don't think it was an ill advised pass.

 

 

Yikes!  It looks worse to me from this angle than it did during the broadcast.      Allen absolutely can not make that throw.   He had no eye contact with Beasley and had to sling it sidearm around the rushing defender to get the ball out.

 

Bad, bad decision.

 

It also looks like Knox was actually open earlier in the sequence (12 second mark) and would have been a much easier throw to make...  

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Lurker

[GG]

17 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think that shows it well that he was trying to hit Yelson and if anything it would have been incomplete if not a first down catch. It was also 3rd and 6. That was not at all an instance of hero ball.

I think it's obvious that Allen was going to Yeldon but I have a feeling Yeldon thought the pass was goin to Beasley and that's why he stopped.  

[Foxx]

11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I added the All 22 view of the interception below. I still believe he is throwing to Yeldon. When he first takes the snap he first looks to Beasley and then over to Yeldon. He then scrambles to avoid a sack, looks to Beasley again and then to Yeldon. When the ball leaves Allen's hand, the DB is almost directly behind Yeldon. If Yeldon continues running, he almost certainly would have stayed in front of the DB and be in position to make the catch.

 

I will change my mind and put the blame on neither. As I said above in another post, you have WRs trying to adjust to a QB trying to evade a sack, and a QB trying to react to the WR's adjustments. Not to mention, it involved a QB and 3 WRs who have played 5 total NFL games together. 

 

I don't think it was an ill advised pass. Allen had stopped and set up. He was interpreting the adjustment of his WR and put the ball where he thought that WR would be.

 

 

hey, thanks for remembering the conversation and coming back to it with the All 22, much appreciated.

 

it is really hard to say what the thought process was here. just to opine a bit on the other side of yours for a bit....

 

Beasers guy drops him at roughly the :17 second mark whereby Beaser starts to turn downfield . with Knox coming across the field in the same area as Bease, dragging his defender with him. we can also see that Josh is escaping the pocket to his left and is looking down field to see what i have just described. @ roughly the :18 mark we can see that Josh is quite possibly looking towards Duke underneath as Beaser's guy is caught in no man's land trying to contain Josh from breaking of a nice scramble. @roughly the :22 mark we can see Josh begin to settle into a passing stance while Knoxs guy (26) is releasing Knox to possibly play Beaser. this tells me that #26 was watching Allen's eyes here and body language  @ roughly the :23 mark #58 is beginning to extend his arm upwards in anticipation of Josh throwing the ball. also at this point, it appears that #26 is committed to covering Beaser. i don't know that Josh even sees Yeldon at this point as his head has not turned in that direction since he left the pocket. @ roughly the :24 mark Josh pumps the ball and pulls it back as we just see Yeldon come into the frame and this is where i think Josh may have seen Yeldon, tough to really tell but T.J. has better separation from his guy than does Beaser at that point. as i said, it is hard to say just where josh is looking but i do believe his helmet is closer to facing towards Beaser than Yeldon when he begins to unload the ball. however, with the trajectory of the ball from this angle, there can be no doubt that had Yeldon continued running, he was the intended target. Beaser wasn't moving whenJosh wound up so if he was going to him, it would have been an errant throw.

 

i started off with the intention of trying to defend my observation that you quoted but have since talked myself out of it with the analysis of it above and watching it frame by frame.  it may have been that he wanted to throw it to Beaser but saw Yeldon at the last minute and threw it somewhere between the two as a result. as i think we have both said, it is hard to know exactly what the thought process was here. i also think anyone who watches this clip has to admit that it wasn't a bad throw, Yeldon had to keep moving. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Yikes!  It looks worse to me from this angle than it did during the broadcast.      Allen absolutely can not make that throw.   He had no eye contact with Beasley and had to sling it sidearm around the rushing defender to get the ball out.

 

Bad, bad decision.

 

It also looks like Lee Smith was actually open earlier in the sequence (12 second mark) and would have been a much easier throw to make...  

I get where you are coming from; however, I have to disagree. I dobn't think he was throwing to Beasley - I think he was throwing to Yeldon and absolutely had eye contact with him. If you pause the video just as the ball is coming out of Allen's hand, you will see Yeldon is still moving across the field and the DB is behind him. Yeldon stops. The DB continues and makes the interception. If the DB could continue and make the interception, then I have to believe Yeldon coyuld have continued and made the catch. I absolutely do not see anything wrong with making this throw.

[Lurker]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

I get where you are coming from; however, I have to disagree. I dobn't think he was throwing to Beasley - I think he was throwing to Yeldon and absolutely had eye contact with him. If you pause the video just as the ball is coming out of Allen's hand, you will see Yeldon is still moving across the field and the DB is behind him. Yeldon stops. The DB continues and makes the interception. If the DB could continue and make the interception, then I have to believe Yeldon coyuld have continued and made the catch. I absolutely do not see anything wrong with making this throw.

 

Yes, I saw Yeldon stop.   Didn't like that he did that, but that's the thing Josh has to understand as well.    

 

Throwing sidearm, into the middle of the field, on a busted play where the receivers are freelancing and he has to guess what they're going to do?    That's a high risk/low success rate play at best.    Poor decision, IMO...

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

hey, thanks for remembering the conversation and coming back to it with the All 22, much appreciated.

 

it is really hard to say what the thought process was here. just to opine a bit on the other side of yours for a bit....

 

Beasers guy drops him at roughly the :17 second mark whereby Beaser starts to turn downfield . with Knox coming across the field in the same area as Bease, dragging his defender with him. we can also see that Josh is escaping the pocket to his left and is looking down field to see what i have just described. @ roughly the :18 mark we can see that Josh is quite possibly looking towards Duke underneath as Beaser's guy is caught in no man's land trying to contain Josh from breaking of a nice scramble. @roughly the :22 mark we can see Josh begin to settle into a passing stance while Knoxs guy (26) is releasing Knox to possibly play Beaser. this tells me that #26 was watching Allen's eyes here and body language  @ roughly the :23 mark #58 is beginning to extend his arm upwards in anticipation of Josh throwing the ball. also at this point, it appears that #26 is committed to covering Beaser. i don't know that Josh even sees Yeldon at this point as his head has not turned in that direction since he left the pocket. @ roughly the :24 mark Josh pumps the ball and pulls it back as we just see Yeldon come into the frame and this is where i think Josh may have seen Yeldon, tough to really tell but T.J. has better separation from his guy than does Beaser at that point. as i said, it is hard to say just where josh is looking but i do believe his helmet is closer to facing towards Beaser than Yeldon when he begins to unload the ball. however, with the trajectory of the ball from this angle, there can be no doubt that had Yeldon continued running, he was the intended target. Beaser wasn't moving whenJosh wound up so if he was going to him, it would have been an errant throw.

 

i started off with the intention of trying to defend my observation that you quoted but have since talked myself out of it with the analysis of it above and watching it frame by frame.  it may have been that he wanted to throw it to Beaser but saw Yeldon at the last minute and threw it somewhere between the two as a result. as i think we have both said, it is hard to know exactly what the thought process was here. i also think anyone who watches this clip has to admit that it wasn't a bad throw, Yeldon had to keep moving. 

I appreciate your analysis and I wish this is the type of discussion we had more of on this site. I'm not sure there is any right or wrong on this play either from the perspective of the players themselves or our perspectives, as fans, in trying to assess what happened.That's the fascinating aspect of plays with so many variables involved.

 

Thanks! 

[Boatdrinks]

On 10/7/2019 at 11:07 AM, Charles Romes said:

 

Agree - the D’s play is preventing a lot of questions from being asked.  I like Allen and still think and hope he can become a true franchise quarterback.  He is not there yet, and as much as we all want him to get there, that day may never come.  I would rather pursue a course where we can move on from him quickly if we have to, rather than move on after 5 years like the Titans will have to do with Mariota, or the Dolphins did with Tannehill. 

A 1st round NFL QB is going to get a minimum of 3 years and possibly more unless they are a flat out flop. Teams aren’t going to move on if they’re winning games while a QB is developing. I’ll agree that I saw enough out of Tannehill / Mariota to be ok with moving on without picking up the 5th  year option. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[GG]

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

hey, thanks for remembering the conversation and coming back to it with the All 22, much appreciated.

 

it is really hard to say what the thought process was here. just to opine a bit on the other side of yours for a bit....

 

Beasers guy drops him at roughly the :17 second mark whereby Beaser starts to turn downfield . with Knox coming across the field in the same area as Bease, dragging his defender with him. we can also see that Josh is escaping the pocket to his left and is looking down field to see what i have just described. @ roughly the :18 mark we can see that Josh is quite possibly looking towards Duke underneath as Beaser's guy is caught in no man's land trying to contain Josh from breaking of a nice scramble. @roughly the :22 mark we can see Josh begin to settle into a passing stance while Knoxs guy (26) is releasing Knox to possibly play Beaser. this tells me that #26 was watching Allen's eyes here and body language  @ roughly the :23 mark #58 is beginning to extend his arm upwards in anticipation of Josh throwing the ball. also at this point, it appears that #26 is committed to covering Beaser. i don't know that Josh even sees Yeldon at this point as his head has not turned in that direction since he left the pocket. @ roughly the :24 mark Josh pumps the ball and pulls it back as we just see Yeldon come into the frame and this is where i think Josh may have seen Yeldon, tough to really tell but T.J. has better separation from his guy than does Beaser at that point. as i said, it is hard to say just where josh is looking but i do believe his helmet is closer to facing towards Beaser than Yeldon when he begins to unload the ball. however, with the trajectory of the ball from this angle, there can be no doubt that had Yeldon continued running, he was the intended target. Beaser wasn't moving whenJosh wound up so if he was going to him, it would have been an errant throw.

 

i started off with the intention of trying to defend my observation that you quoted but have since talked myself out of it with the analysis of it above and watching it frame by frame.  it may have been that he wanted to throw it to Beaser but saw Yeldon at the last minute and threw it somewhere between the two as a result. as i think we have both said, it is hard to know exactly what the thought process was here. i also think anyone who watches this clip has to admit that it wasn't a bad throw, Yeldon had to keep moving. 

I posted this in another thread that had the All22.  

 

My bigger issue is the indecision prior to the INT.  He had Beasley and Knox open.  He needs to make those throws to progress as a QB.  

[Kelly the Dog]

17 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Yikes!  It looks worse to me from this angle than it did during the broadcast.      Allen absolutely can not make that throw.   He had no eye contact with Beasley and had to sling it sidearm around the rushing defender to get the ball out.

 

Bad, bad decision.

 

It also looks like Knox was actually open earlier in the sequence (12 second mark) and would have been a much easier throw to make...  

 

Watch it as Josh is throwing to Yeldon not Beasley.

7 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Yes, I saw Yeldon stop.   Didn't like that he did that, but that's the thing Josh has to understand as well.    

 

Throwing sidearm, into the middle of the field, on a busted play where the receivers are freelancing and he has to guess what they're going to do?    That's a high risk/low success rate play at best.    Poor decision, IMO...

You would never assume a player is going to stop as he is running across the field to be in your sightline. Why would any QB assume on that particular play that Yeldon would suddenly stop?

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I appreciate your analysis and I wish this is the type of discussion we had more of on this site. I'm not sure there is any right or wrong on this play either from the perspective of the players themselves or our perspectives, as fans, in trying to assess what happened.That's the fascinating aspect of plays with so many variables involved.

 

Thanks! 

it is organized chaos out there. that it doesn't happen more regularly is a testament to the brilliant minds that organize, coach, strategize, orchestrate and play this marvelous game.

 

7 minutes ago, GG said:

I posted this in another thread that had the All22.  

 

My bigger issue is the indecision prior to the INT.  He had Beasley and Knox open.  He needs to make those throws to progress as a QB.  

i believe you are referring to the part where he may have been throwing to Beaser and saw Yeldon at the last minute.

 

agreed, he should have hit Dawson at the top of his drop, he would have had a first down. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Foxx

[Kelly the Dog]

17 minutes ago, GG said:

I think it's obvious that Allen was going to Yeldon but I have a feeling Yeldon thought the pass was goin to Beasley and that's why he stopped.  

Dumb-de-dumb-dumb.

[GG]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

it is organized chaos out there. that it doesn't happen more regularly is a testament to the brilliant minds that organize, coach, strategize, orchestrate and play this marvelous game.

 

i believe you are referring to the part where he may have been throwing to Beaser and saw Yeldon at the last minute.

 

agreed, he should have hit Dawson at the top of his drop, he would have had a first down. 

No, earlier in the play, as soon as he looks off his first read.  He has both Beasley and Knox open.  Both would be tight throws, but throws that an NFL QB should make.  

[Warcodered]

I think the throw itself kind of came down to a combination of miscommunication/cluster *****. Allen sees Yeldon has separation and throws toward where he thinks he will be but doesn't take into account that Yeldon sees a WR/DB traffic jam on the 45 yard line. Yeldon I'd guess either thinks it's going to someone else or just misses the beat where Allen throws it and is already mentally slowing up to avoid getting into the area with everyone else.

[Nextmanup]

18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

A 1st round NFL QB is going to get a minimum of 3 years and possibly more unless they are a flat out flop. Teams are going to move on if they’re winning games while a QB is developing. I’ll agree that I saw enough out of Tannehill / Mariota to be ok with moving on without picking up the 5th  year option. 

EJ Manuel got 14 games before it was determined he was not going to get it done.

 

Maybe he fits into your "flat out flop" definition.

 

I hope Allen doesn't get the amount of time you envision.

 

 

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

EJ Manuel got 14 games before it was determined he was not going to get it done.

 

Maybe he fits into your "flat out flop" definition.

 

I hope Allen doesn't get the amount of time you envision.

 

 

what?? you don't think Allen is deserving of the play he is getting?

[dakrider]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

No, earlier in the play, as soon as he looks off his first read.  He has both Beasley and Knox open.  Both would be tight throws, but throws that an NFL QB should make.  

He had Knox open for a moment but then he had to avoid the rush.  I think its pretty apparent he was throwing to Yeldon who was running when he began the throw,  he might not have been able to catch it but he probably would have got a hand on it at least.

He had a guy right in his face as well and didn't get off a great pass either.  Allen can't predict exactly where his guy will go on a play like that.  I think in fairness the pass wasn't as bad as it looked initially but still a QB int.  But on a play like that you would think someone would get more open too.  

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

EJ Manuel got 14 games before it was determined he was not going to get it done.

 

Maybe he fits into your "flat out flop" definition.

 

I hope Allen doesn't get the amount of time you envision.

 

 

Well, EJ Manuel was overdrafted from the start and everyone but Nix / Whaley knew it. He was going to be available in the middle rounds. Allen is going to get multiple seasons , probably at least 3. Maybe more if the team wins. I’d say take that to the bank. 

32 minutes ago, GG said:

No, earlier in the play, as soon as he looks off his first read.  He has both Beasley and Knox open.  Both would be tight throws, but throws that an NFL QB should make.  

He didn’t like the positioning of 25. He might have thrown Beasley into a huge hit or INT. Then pressure, so he escaped it. Simple miscommunication on a scramble drill is all. Allen was being cautious initially but it’s a fine line sometimes . Pats game was fresh in his mind and overall I think he did pretty well. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Well, EJ Manuel was overdrafted from the start and everyone but Nix / Whaley knew it. He was going to be available in the middle rounds. Allen is going to get multiple seasons , probably at least 3. Maybe more if the team wins. I’d say take that to the bank. 

 

...WORST part about that is Genome Smith was Buddy's 1st choice......they flew down to interview him and work him out.....the consensus on the plane ride home was, "um..no thanks"....EJ was their 2nd fiddle......BOTH were missing Round 1 "strings" PERIOD.....astonishingly, Smith is STILL NFL employed...SMH......

[DuckyBoys]

Allen is targeting Yeldon without a doubt You can see his helmet/eyes straight on locked to yeldon    Yeldon may have stopped thinking he was in a open hole or he didnt want to run into where Beasley is turning.  I can see how Allen was trying to throw Yeldon open  With all those defenders a risky throw but I dont feel it was hero ball.  Yeldon runs all the way its probably a completion and a 1st down  He'll learn