Percy Harvin high during every NFL game he played

[Patrick Duffy]

27 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I feel like you're getting into the weeds...

 

There's no debate, here. Inhaling smoke is bad for you. Do it enough and you will have long term consequences. Smoke from cigarettes, or Cannabis, or smoke from a fire pit makes little difference to the toxicity. It's toxic.

 

But in my attempt to answer your question, I'd say water? Water isn't bad for you, but if you drink too much you can dilute the sodium in your body and die, so even that comes with a caveat.

It's bad if you breathe it.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I don't have evidence and I don't necessarily feel the need to research it myself as It seems (and feel free to disagree with this) pretty instinctual that smoking any kind of substance is worse for the body than consuming a relative equal amount of sugar... One argument for this would be to look at how much sugar the average person consumes during any given day, and then compare the number of deaths related to smoking (which is done by a smaller population than those that consume sugar) and then look at deaths caused by sugar. Again... This doesn't seem like something that is debatable, but maybe I'm missing it... 

 

Edit: here's some basic research:

 

https://www.livescience.com/51385-sugary-drinks-global-deaths.html

Sugary Drinks Kill 184,000 People Every Year

 

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.¹

 

As for the article that you referenced, it's worthless in this conversation because it doesn't speak to quantities and it isn't comparative. I am willing and able to admit sugar, especially large quantities of sugar, is terrible for the body. That isn't my argument at all. As for the scientist opinion, there is more anti-smoking literature in the world (not to mention laws) than there is ant-sugar. 

 

I don't smoke cigarettes though or was referring to it.  We know how bad tobacco is.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

https://time.com/4087775/sugar-is-definitely-toxic-a-new-study-says/

 

But proving that the rise of the chronic diseases was actually linked to higher sugar consumption is a challenge. Dr. Robert Lustig, from the department of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco, who has made a name for himself publishing books and research addressing the question of sugar’s effects on the body, wanted clearer answers. Now, in a paper published Tuesday, he and his colleagues believe they have come up with the definitive evidence that sugar, as Lustig says, “is toxic.”

 

Good job! You found one guy in the world that thinks sugar should be classified as a toxin!

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't smoke cigarettes though or was referring to it.  We know how bad tobacco is.

 

And chemically they are quite similar.

[whatdrought]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't smoke cigarettes though or was referring to it.  We know how bad tobacco is.

 

Tomato Tahmato

 

Quote

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.^4-7

 

 

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

[frostbitmic]

Weed, it's not just for smoking anymore.

 

Though it sounds like a good idea to me at the moment.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Good job! You found one guy in the world that thinks sugar should be classified as a toxin!

 

And chemically they are quite similar.

 

They are in areas but we know tobacco causes cancer.  Most research shows weed doesn’t.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/does-marijuana-cause-lung-cancer-doctors-call-more-research-n993941#anchor-Doesmarijuanausecauselungcancer

Does marijuana use cause lung cancer?

“Most research says no, but that doesn’t mean that smoking joints long-term comes without consequences.”

 

Im not saying inhaling smoke in your lungs is fine.  There are other issues that come with it but saying it’s an absolute carcinogen...not conclusive.

 

 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They are in areas but we know tobacco causes cancer.  Most research shows weed doesn’t

Does marijuana use cause lung cancer?

“Most research says no, but that doesn’t mean that smoking joints long-term comes without consequences.”

 

Im not saying inhaling smoke in your lungs is fine.  There are other issues that come with it but saying it’s an absolute carcinogen...not conclusive.

 

 

"Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke.[36] These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[37] Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.[38] A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users."

It is totally carcinogenic.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Tomato Tahmato

 

 

 

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

 

There are differences between weed and tobacco.  

We know for sure tobacco causes cancer....

 

Yes I know smoking anything isn't as good as consuming it other ways.  I acknowledge that.

I would rate marijuana below any narcotic, alcohol and even sugar as far as health.

 

[LB3]

36 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dude...I haven't played Madden since 2005 on a PS2.  I think Steve McNair was on the cover?

 

I don't have anything now but I wonder how good I would be playing the latest version?

I hadn't played since Madden 2005 either. I literally never lost a game to anyone(over storm brave was unstoppable).

 

Last year, I went to a friend's house for a Bills game. His 8 year old son beat me 45-0. Good luck.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, MJS said:

 

"Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke.[36] These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[37] Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.[38] A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users."

It is totally carcinogenic.

 

So all the doctors/scientists are wrong in my article.  All the doctors/scientists in your article are right?

[whatdrought]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

There are differences between weed and tobacco.  

We know for sure tobacco causes cancer....

 

Yes I know smoking anything isn't as good as consuming it other ways.  I acknowledge that.

I would rate marijuana below any narcotic, alcohol and even sugar as far as health.

 

 

Yes, there are... That article clearly indicates the differences. 

 

Smoking anything is bad. Clearly. 

 

The health issues of pot outside of smoking is another conversation for another day. Smoking pot is bad because it's inhaling smoke into your lungs. It is worse than sugar in it's negative health impact. 

[Kelly the Dog]

12 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Tomato Tahmato

For the record, statistics show that 3,477,812 people say tomato for every one that says tahmato. It’s never a good argument. 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So all the doctors/scientists are wrong in my article.  All the doctors/scientists in your article are right?

 

No, they are looking at different things. Your article is looking only at specific cases of cancer caused from cannabis. The issue is the availability of quality data to analyze. That data won't be available for decades because it is only now starting to become wide spread enough to collect quality data.

 

My article is talking about the chemical compounds found within, over 50 of which are carcinogenic. Tests on the chemical compounds do not require data like that.

[Nester]

It’s like me,  but watching every nfl  game instead.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

For the record, statistics show that 3,477,812 people say tomato for every one that says tahmato. It’s never a good argument. 

 

What a bunch of Nancys. 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

For the record, statistics show that 3,477,812 people say tomato for every one that says tahmato. It’s never a good argument. 

what's the statistic on people that say potato vs pataters?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, MJS said:

 

No, they are looking at different things. Your article is looking only at specific cases of cancer caused from cannabis. The issue is the availability of quality data to analyze. That data won't be available for decades because it is only now starting to become wide spread enough to collect quality data.

 

My article is talking about the chemical compounds found within, over 50 of which are carcinogenic. Tests on the chemical compounds do not require data like that.

 

Great.

 

Iceland smokes more pot than any other country in the world....but have one of the lowest lung cancer rates in developed countries.

Can you tell me why there isn't a lung cancer epidemic in this country?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

what's the statistic on people that say potato vs pataters?

It’s tough to get accurate stats on that one like the one I quoted above. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yes, there are... That article clearly indicates the differences. 

 

Smoking anything is bad. Clearly. 

 

The health issues of pot outside of smoking is another conversation for another day. Smoking pot is bad because it's inhaling smoke into your lungs. It is worse than sugar in it's negative health impact. 

 

I guess we will agree to disagree.

We know sugar destroys are body.  It kills people.  We know that for sure.  It's leading to an obesity "epidemic" in this country (other factors lead to this too but sugar intake is a major component).  

[Bray Wyatt]

So lets not smoke marijuana, lets eat it!! Problem solved!! 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Great.

 

Iceland smokes more pot than any other country in the world....but have one of the lowest lung cancer rates in developed countries.

Can you tell me why there isn't a lung cancer epidemic in this country?

 

Incredibly obscure point.

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

So lets not smoke marijuana, lets eat it!! Problem solved!! 

Bingo!!! Give this man a prize!

[Dablitzkrieg]

39 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

You’re harshening my mellow. Yuh know for a pro weed advocate you’re kinda, well I don’t know, angry. Not even a lil bit angry but a lot angry.

I'm not a pro weed advocate for stoners.  I'm pro marijuana for medical purposes.  I find stoners, kind of annoying.  Kind of  "you spot it you got it" syndrome.  I see how horribly annoying they are and it reminds me what I used to be like in the past.  its the same with drunk people for me.  I am hypersensitive around sloppy drunk people too.  I want to punch them a lot

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I get high pretty much every time I play sports.  Sometimes when I go running I am high and usually do about 3-5 miles.  Every time I go biking I am high.  I'm almost 40 and still regularly out perform people in their early 20's when I play sports with them while being high.  How many NBA'ers are high regularly during games?  A lot.  People have a lot of misconceptions about marijuana.  

By this summation,  it may need to be added to the performance enhancing drug list.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said:

So lets not smoke marijuana, lets eat it!! Problem solved!! 

You probably should have used this to post your comment.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm not a pro weed advocate for stoners.  I'm pro marijuana for medical purposes.  I find stoners, kind of annoying.  Kind of  "you spot it you got it" syndrome.  I see how horribly annoying they are and it reminds me what I used to be like in the past.  its the same with drunk people for me.  I am hypersensitive around sloppy drunk people too.  I want to punch them a lot

They should keep you away from everything, including all people.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

They should keep you away from everything, including all people.

funny.  But true.  I hate people, crowds that is

Edited October 2, 2019 by Dablitzkrieg

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Incredibly obscure point.

 

I don’t believe it is.  

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm not a pro weed advocate for stoners.  I'm pro marijuana for medical purposes.  I find stoners, kind of annoying.  Kind of  "you spot it you got it" syndrome.  I see how horribly annoying they are and it reminds me what I used to be like in the past.  its the same with drunk people for me.  I am hypersensitive around sloppy drunk people too.  I want to punch them a lot

 

Drunks are annoying for sure.     Stoners not so much.     I don’t think stoners come in a single template 

Edited October 2, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[Solomon Grundy]

[RaoulDuke79]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They are in areas but we know tobacco causes cancer.  Most research shows weed doesn’t.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/does-marijuana-cause-lung-cancer-doctors-call-more-research-n993941#anchor-Doesmarijuanausecauselungcancer

Does marijuana use cause lung cancer?

“Most research says no, but that doesn’t mean that smoking joints long-term comes without consequences.”

 

Im not saying inhaling smoke in your lungs is fine.  There are other issues that come with it but saying it’s an absolute carcinogen...not conclusive.

 

 

I just assume everything causes cancer these days.

[Bakin]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Here comes all the weed lovers and defenders.

Here come all the anti-weed activists and moralists. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I just assume everything causes cancer these days.

 

Hot coffee is a carcinogen....so is bacon!

[Bakin]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

You can argue that sugar is bad for you, and even that it may have carcinogenic effects, I don't know anyone who is going to say wholeheartedly that Sugar isn't bad at all... That being said, I don't think you have much room to argue that sugar is as bad, at it's root, for the human body as smoking anything...

I could argue that it’s worse. 

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yep. I am saying that from 0, sugar does less damage than smoking does. Both long term and short term. Now, the issue, and what I imagine will be your counter, is that so many people consume so much sugar, that compared to smoking the effects are definitely more evident in society at large. 

 

What I am saying is that blank slate, if somehow we said that xsmoking and xsugar is equal, then had perfectly healthy bodies consume x for so many days, smoking would cause the bigger issue sooner and over time. Our bodies are made to break down sugar- not to the quantities that we eat, but to some level- meanwhile, our bodies don't have a system for dealing with inhaled smoke. 

Wrong 

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

Yes, the large volume of sugar consumption is very bad. It is a health crisis that is more important to tackle than weed smoking, for sure. But that doesn't change the fact that smoke is toxic.

And oxygen can also be toxic. 

 

[Bakin]

46 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

"Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke.[36] These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[37] Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.[38] A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users."

It is totally carcinogenic.

All things being equal, if you had to prescribe your NFL players painkillers / SSRI meds OR marijuana...you would tell them to use painkillers and SSRI’s?

Edited October 2, 2019 by Bakin

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, Bakin said:

I could argue that it’s worse. 

Wrong 

 

You could, and it sounds like you want to try. But without a comprehensive study that demonstrates it, i'm happy with the reality that you're wrong and simply trying to fit your narrative. But have fun with that. 

 

and for the second point, do tell me how you know more about lungs than the american Lung association. I wont wait because i'm done with this thread and with people who are willing to deny logical and science to excuse vices.

 

 

 

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.^4-7

 

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

[nedboy7]

Can we have an intelligent thread one day? 

[Sig1Hunter]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Hot coffee is a carcinogen....so is bacon!

Omg BACON!

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Bakin said:

And oxygen can also be toxic.

 

Oxygen is not a toxin. Doesn't mean that in some circumstances it is not bad for you. But that doesn't make it a toxin.

[BUFFALOKIE]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

with 50% of the league doing it ...

 

My guess is they smoke before they show up to the facility before a game or before they leave the team Hotel for the game.

 

By game time the buzz s/b all but gone 

 

Exactly. Pre game jitters, etc. Its mostly out of the system, mostly, by the start of warm-ups. Nice and relaxed, perfectly clear headed and (in my experience) extremely focused by that point. No way was he actually "stoned" while on the field. 

[MJS]

13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Hot coffee is a carcinogen....so is bacon!

 

True that. Yes, heavily processed meats (like Bacon) were recently added to the list of carcinogens by the World Health Organization because they have been shown to cause cancer. Didn't know about coffee, but I don't drink coffee.