GoBills808 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, london_bills said: Hm. Then inaccurate throws will effect our offence more than others? Clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Ouch! Under 60% completion rate and under 7 yards per attempt! That's not very encouraging. It's way better than last year, but doesn't explain all of the blind optimism Bills fans have for him. I'd keep drafting QB's even in middle rounds and hope for the next Russell Wilson to replace him. I don't know what the drop rate is for our receivers, but I know that inaccurate throws will get dropped more often than well placed throws no matter who's trying to catch them. Edited December 23, 2019 by GreggTX 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Does an incompletion hurt the team more than an Interception? Do you think another QB in the NFL makes that 4th and 1 yesterday or vs Dallas? One needs to weigh it ALL when thinking about the QB, not just whether he missed a few throws he should have completed... although once again, at that point, shouldn't we also factor in the 22+ passes that our WRs, TEs and RBs dropped this year? why does an incompletion need to be compared to an interception- he missed 2 open receivers for touchdowns. He needs to make those passes. I'm not discounting the good things he does, as I mentioned in my post, but we likely win the game if he hits those 2, and those were very makeable passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Lowest completion % in the NFL. Should we be concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Doom and gloom posts are live and well after a close lose i see. lol Josh will be fine guys, walk back from the ledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 At this point less ints and fumbles is good news. When he puts up big points then it's less of a problem. Once the OL is better his % will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 11:29 PM, dakrider said: Good or bad, Allen was light years better than his week 4 performance. Week 4 was a TKO, this game at least went to the end. We've seen this from Allen from Allen every time now in his young career. He just gets better. Period. He grew from his first starts last season to his final starts last season. His overall growth from his rookie season to now has been amazing. His growth from early this season to now has also been amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I'm just happy he finally hit a deep over the shoulder pass, but he needed 2 defenders to hit him to take away the 10 yards he usually overthrows them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 4:43 AM, BringBackOrton said: I will quibble a bit here. I don’t think Daboll is BAD at giving Josh throws to get in rhythm. He could definitely do more. I’d like to see some swing passes to Singletary for starters. It’s unfortunate that Josh is so hot and cold though. Honestly, by the second possession, you generally know if he’s “on” or not. When we played the Cowboys, he was on. When we played the Ravens and the Pats, you knew we were in for a up and down day. It’s just the kind of QB he is right now. McD’s defense is good. They weren’t great yesterday. Idk what you’re watching either I guess. Ravens and Pats D >>> Cowboys defense. That has to be a huge part of it. Transplantbillsfan just told us Allen is the only the second QB over the last two seasons to have a 100+ Qb rating playing in Foxboro. The other being Mahomes. That is great for Allen and also tells us just out great the Pats D is at home. 22 hours ago, london_bills said: It's quite simple really. Just look at all the plays that are left on the field by allen. Watch the Allen presser. He admits to being jittery. Swap QBs and we win the game. Yet, Mahomes is the only other QB to have a 100+ QB rating at Foxboro the last two seasons. So, yeah swap Allen with Mahomes and we would have won. Sure. Swap Allen with your average QB and we do not win yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:39 AM, uticaclub said: He overthrows that deep ball to Brown if he isn't hit on the throw Hottest take of the week ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Ravens and Pats D >>> Cowboys defense. That has to be a huge part of it. Transplantbillsfan just told us Allen is the only the second QB over the last two seasons to have a 100+ Qb rating playing in Foxboro. The other being Mahomes. That is great for Allen and also tells us just out great the Pats D is at home. Yet, Mahomes is the only other QB to have a 100+ QB rating at Foxboro the last two seasons. So, yeah swap Allen with Mahomes and we would have won. Sure. Swap Allen with your average QB and we do not win yesterday. Yeah what I was meaning has got lost after a few posts. I was talking about swapping the two QBs who played the game, Allen and Brady. My point was to highlight how important the QB position is and that even though the defence sucked the consistency of the QB position - hitting the right receiver, getting the ball out just at the right time matters pretty much above everything. I was cringing when people were overdoing brady's decline as I was concerned he would show up. Its also the 'ice in the veins' QB point someone else made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Lowest completion % in the NFL. Should we be concerned? Nope not one bit! He has the "IT" factor. What was Tyrods completion %? Who would you rather have as a QB Allen or Tyrod? Tyrod can't hold Allens jock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Lowest completion % in the NFL. Should we be concerned? Sure...because there is no guarantee he will get better...as long as he is not at least a top 15 QB, there should definitely be concern...after all he was the #7 overall pick... 4 minutes ago, pop gun said: Nope not one bit! He has the "IT" factor. What was Tyrods completion %? Who would you rather have as a QB Allen or Tyrod? Tyrod can't hold Allens jock! The “it” factor would have made those td passes to Knox... Edited December 23, 2019 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Sure...because there is no guarantee he will get better The “it” factor would have made those td passes to Knox... But certainly not the early Knox throw that set up the Dawkins TD, or the Brown TD, or the 4th and 1 animal sneak, or the Beasley ropes on the final drive, or...maybe it's just easier to say that you're cherry picking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: But certainly not the early Knox throw that set up the Dawkins TD, or the Brown TD, or the 4th and 1 animal sneak, or the Beasley ropes on the final drive, or...maybe it's just easier to say that you're cherry picking. Again...he was 13 for 26...that’s not “it” factor...if it is, we are in trouble... Edited December 23, 2019 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: But certainly not the early Knox throw that set up the Dawkins TD, or the Brown TD, or the 4th and 1 animal sneak, or the Beasley ropes on the final drive, or...maybe it's just easier to say that you're cherry picking. This idea that EVERY poor throw by Allen is a referendum on his ability is total crap. I suspect that idea is offered up by those who don’t watch much NFL football in general and QB play in particular. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: This idea that EVERY poor throw by Allen is a referendum on his ability is total crap. I suspect that idea is offered up by those who don’t watch much NFL football in general and QB play in particular. Lots of people lacking intelligence on this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Again...he was 13 for 26...that’s not “it” factor... Ah, so once again it's "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!1!1!!!1!1!1" Love that argument. Never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Again...he was 13 for 26...that’s not “it” factor... Safe to say you dont know what the "it" factor is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: This idea that EVERY poor throw by Allen is a referendum on his ability is total crap. I suspect that idea is offered up by those who don’t watch much NFL football in general and QB play in particular. Meh, whattya gonna do? Lay out the tape and expect people to watch it and change their minds? I am quite fortunate that I'm able to watch every game every week. It's invaluable in terms of putting performance into context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Meh, whattya gonna do? Lay out the tape and expect people to watch it and change their minds? I am quite fortunate that I'm able to watch every game every week. It's invaluable in terms of putting performance into context. All you really need to know about Allen: His top two receivers are having career years with him throwing to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, pop gun said: Safe to say you dont know what the "it" factor is. Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson would have made those throws- that’s what “it” factor looks like to me...now, Allen May someday get to that level, but he is not there yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: All you really need to know about Allen: His top two receivers are having career years with him throwing to them. Yeah, but that's only because we throw the ball more than other teams. Wait...no, it's because we're always playing from behind. Wait...no, it's because they gain huge separation and never drop the ball. Wait...no, it's because they have a size advantage and huge catch radii, so they always crush contested catches. Wait..no, it's... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, pop gun said: Safe to say you dont know what the "it" factor is. Do share... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Yeah, but that's only because we throw the ball more than other teams. Wait...no, it's because we're always playing from behind. Wait...no, it's because they gain huge separation and never drop the ball. Wait...no, it's because they have a size advantage and huge catch radii, so they always crush contested catches. Wait..no, it's... Exactly. I've tired so much of these micro-analyzers I've put most of them on mute. Makes the board a whole lot more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, JaCrispy said: Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson would have made those throws- that’s what “it” factor looks like to me...now, Allen May someday get to that level, but he is not there yet... Did you watch Watson on Saturday? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Did you watch Watson on Saturday? Apparently not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Yeah, but that's only because we throw the ball more than other teams. Wait...no, it's because we're always playing from behind. Wait...no, it's because they gain huge separation and never drop the ball. Wait...no, it's because they have a size advantage and huge catch radii, so they always crush contested catches. Wait..no, it's... Stevie Johnson has career years with Fitz... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: This idea that EVERY poor throw by Allen is a referendum on his ability is total crap. I suspect that idea is offered up by those who don’t watch much NFL football in general and QB play in particular. It all depends how you view Allen. For me it buys into the fact that he's inconsistent. I thought the dallas game he was more consistent in his play. If he plays a difficult defense and makes a poor throw people might look and find reasons as to why it was a bad throw. These things would be right, it's not always totally on him, if the line collapses for example. I suppose I'm waiting to be proved wrong about his inconsistency. That's probably why every bad throw feels like it says something defining about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 5:17 PM, Dr.Sack said: Allen is ever going to be Brees. He’s Cam Newton If he's Cam Newton minus the whiny, pouty, quitter who's too scared to jump on a fumble, that's ok with me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Did you watch Watson on Saturday? Sounds like cherry picking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Exactly. I've tired so much of these micro-analyzers I've put most of them on mute. Makes the board a whole lot more enjoyable. Can you share a link with me on how to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson would have made those throws- that’s what “it” factor looks like to me...now, Allen May someday get to that level, but he is not there yet... Did you see Ravens v Pats? Jackson beat then on the ground w/Ingram, he wasn't throwing it all over the park on that defense...come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 And guys, just for the record, it’s ok to criticize players for playing poorly... you don’t have to be scared of someone taking your fan card away lol You can still root for Josh and criticize him at the same time...it’s not a “dis or dat”. ? i feel like there are some fans that feel they just have to toe the line of always praising Allen, and ridiculing those who just want better from their QBS, and point out where he needs to improve. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, london_bills said: It all depends how you view Allen. For me it buys into the fact that he's inconsistent. I thought the dallas game he was more consistent in his play. If he plays a difficult defense and makes a poor throw people might look and find reasons as to why it was a bad throw. These things would be right, it's not always totally on him, if the line collapses for example. I suppose I'm waiting to be proved wrong about his inconsistency. That's probably why every bad throw feels like it says something defining about him. That’s on you, then. But you may want to brace yourself because Allen is going to have bad plays, bad series, and bad games while you’re waiting. You’ll be wallowing in more misery. It’s interesting, from a psychological standpoint, that his bad throws are so definitive while every other aspect of QB play, INCLUDING those aspects that don’t involve throwing the ball, are ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Did you see Ravens v Pats? Jackson beat then on the ground w/Ingram, he wasn't throwing it all over the park on that defense...come on Come on, what? Are teams not allowed to game plan differently for different teams? Also, it wasn’t like the Pats defense was so smothering that WRs weren’t open...guys were open but Josh just wasn’t hitting them consistently enough when the opportunity arose...and I’m sure, knowing his character, he would tell you the same... Edited December 23, 2019 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Come on, what? Are teams not allowed to game plan differently for different teams? Also, it wasn’t like the Pats defense was so smothering that WRs weren’t open...guys were open but Josh just wasn’t hitting them consistently enough when the opportunity arose. I'm saying that Allen arguably outplayed Jackson against the league's best defense. That's an apples to apples comparison. Belichick is tough on young QBs. I think the hysteria over Allen's performance Saturday is ridiculous . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Sounds like cherry picking... Speaking directly to a point that YOU brought up? Are you confident that you know what the colloquialism "cherry picking" actually means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I also 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Apparently not Your tactic is to wait for a great play and post to confirm that you are right about Allen. I think your belief is that he shouldn't be critiqued and should just be supported, whilst you often critique other teams QBs (Jackson etc) as being overrated. This tends to lose my belief in what you say. It comes across that you view things very much as black and white. Supporters vs haters. I think 1.the difference with me is that I don't need to be proved right or wrong. We all thi k we are right but I'd like to be wrong about Allen actually. 2.remember a single great play does not mean that he will be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, london_bills said: I also Your tactic is to wait for a great play and post to confirm that you are right about Allen. I think your belief is that he shouldn't be critiqued and should just be supported, whilst you often critique other teams QBs (Jackson etc) as being overrated. This tends to lose my belief in what you say. It comes across that you view things very much as black and white. Supporters vs haters. I think 1.the difference with me is that I don't need to be proved right or wrong. We all thi k we are right but I'd like to be wrong about Allen actually. 2.remember a single great play does not mean that he will be great. Nor does a bad throw, which everyone acknowledges he's made, mean he won't be! You also seem to need to be right about the inconsistency. I'll answer with Yes he is somewhat, most would acknowledge that, so there's that. Serious question? can you acknowledge that will improve and already has? Edited December 23, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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