Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

Oh please, the defense is one of the best in the league. New England doesn’t lose in foxboro for a reason. 

They are one of the best in the league. They had a pretty poor game yesterday. No reason to defend that.

[whorlnut]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

This has been my problem with McDermott's conservative approach. 

 

He thinks his defense is better than it is and he thinks he needs to protect his young QB more than he should.

 

That's a bad recipe for a one 'n done playoff scenario.

Exactly!  Until McD stops being hell bent on being content to let his defense finish games with so much time on the clock, we will continue to lose games like this. 
 

Allen just came off the beautiful deep td to Brown and they called three straight running plays. Why?  Because McD thought it was enough to win. Let the defense shut them down. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Exactly!  Until McD stops being hell bent on being content to let his defense finish games with so much time on the clock, we will continue to lose games like this. 
 

Allen just came off the beautiful deep td to Brown and they called three straight running plays. Why?  Because McD thought it was enough to win. Let the defense shut them down. 

Pretty sure Daboll is calling the plays, though. Not sure how much McD has his hands in that, but it should be very little. If McD is not trusting his OC enough to delegate the responsibility to him, then he’s unlikely to get a high caliber OC in Buffalo. Anyway, the lack of aggression on offense is not good. They don’t have a running attack that can take control when the opposing D knows what’s coming. 

[london_bills]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Daboll doesn't know how to call plays for a young QB who needs to get into some kinda rhythm.

 

There's your explanation 

 

 

Please make the argument.

 

I don't see how you could reasonably make it, but I'd like to hear it if you think you can.

It's quite simple really. 

 

Just look at all the plays that are left on the field by allen. 

 

Watch the Allen presser. He admits to being jittery. 

 

Swap QBs and we win the game. 

 

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, london_bills said:

... Swap QBs and we win the game. 

[london_bills]

 

'But he also made throws I don't know if other QBs could make, like that Brown TD pass falling backwards with defenders in his face.' 

 

Yes. We know this, Allen is exciting.

 

The truth is he is not making the easy throws and we are held back by this. 

 

Constant 3 and outs in the first half cost us. He plays overwhelmed and misses everything easy in the first half. These things have to be acknowledged. 

 

Yes we are 10-5 but look at the QBs who have beaten the patriots this season. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson. We needed a performance like that to help towards beating the Pats.

 

When he started to connect Shock HORROR we were in the lead. 

 

I can see where we could be with a better QB, sorry. 

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Haha Of course! 

 

Like I say, I can see where we would be with a better QB. Just imagine 10 more completions in that game. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by london_bills

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, london_bills said:

... Just imagine 10 more completions in that game. 

then it would have been a different game. in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda, the whole basis is thrown for a loop. again, that is not how any of this works.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Foxx

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

then it would have been a different game. in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda, the whole basis is thrown for a loop. again, that is not how any of this works.

Its not really about turning back time of course. It's a discussion about what is holding this team back by comparing to other teams. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

He overthrows that deep ball to Brown if he isn't hit on the throw

 

That so, Miss Cleo?

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Seriously.

 

Another VERY important point to consider: this is the 3rd time in his career that Allen has faced the same defense twice in a season. Each time, he's been markedly better than the first matchup. That's an enormous deal in terms of development.

 

When DCs can't stay ahead of you, even as a guy with only a season or two of experience, that's a great sign.

 

He missed a few throws yesterday, and took 2 bad sacks. He also made up for it with 2 elite-level throws that resulted in TDs, and had another "animal" sneak that he had no business converting.

 

The team went into the toughest venue in the game and came within one play of tying the game against the best D in the league. This despite playing against the opponent and the officials.

 

He's got a ways to go; no question. If people see significant development that inspires serious optimism, then they aren't watching.

 

This is such an important point!  The REAL test of a young QB is whether the DC's can figure them out and shut them down.  How often do you see a guy come out and play lights out for a few weeks & then it all comes crashing down around them as the DC's figure out their weaknesses.  There are several examples of it happening just this year.

 

Allen's ability to improve on what needs improving is very encouraging.  After last season he needed to develop his short & intermediate level passing accuracy and he did.  He also had to learn how to read defenses and get to his 2nd & 3rd reads and he has.  While focusing on these things, he let his long ball game get away from him.  So what happened?  He focused on that and we can see the results the last few games where he is throwing a much better deep pass.

 

Allen's ability to IMPROVE every aspect of his game is huge.  It's a defining quality of a young QB.  Just look at how much better Allen played against NE yesterday versus the first game.  Is he there yet?  Hell no, but why would folks doubt that he's going to get there?  If he's proven one thing since he left Wyoming is that he's willing to put in the hard work and has the physical & mental tools to keep improving his game.

 

He improved his game from college to the Senior Bowl.  He then improved his game from the Senior Bowl to the Pro tryout camps before the draft.  In his rookie season Allen improved his game from before to after his injury.  He then improved his game from the end of last season to the start of this season.  And he improved his game from early this season to now.  IMO you have to be blind or irrationally stubborn not to see this.

 

Allen continues to get better.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

He overthrows that deep ball to Brown if he isn't hit on the throw

 

This is either trolling or a prime example of Allen Derangement Syndrome!

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

For everyone complaining about a lack of screen game, have you thought that maybe Allen can't throw a screen pass. 

 

Do you watch the games? On almost every screen pass Allen has NO CHOICE but to throw the ball into the ground to avoid completing a pass for a 5 yard loss.  It's clear to anyone with eyes that our O-line struggles to get out in front of the screen and to block in space.

 

There is absolutely zero evidence that Allen can't throw the screen pass.  On the rare occasions where there's been room for a screen Allen has hit it EVERY time.  On a couple of the 10 - 15 yard gains off the screen we had holding penalties that brought the play back.  By my recollection only one screen pass has worked all season and that was the 49 yard one to Singleterry against the Redskins.

 

In fact the inability to execute screen passes, which is not on Allen, has hurt Allen's completion %.  In almost every game Allen has to throw 1 or 2 balls at the feet of the RB because the D is all over him.  Those should be easy completions that pump up Allen's stats.  More importantly successful screen passes neutralize those all out blitz packages thrown at the Bills.  This is a serious deficiency with our offense and I don't see it as Allen's fault in the slightest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

25 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Its not really about turning back time of course. It's a discussion about what is holding this team back by comparing to other teams. 

 

 

then that should be your argument. not a presumption of what would have happened.

[HappyDays]

I will point out that Allen is one of 3 QBs that had a 100+ passer rating against the Patriots this year. The other two were Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson. Allen is the only one to do it in Foxborough this season. It's unfortunate he started off so slow because this was a winnable game. Considering the opponent I'm happy with the performance overall. We need a top tier receiver and probably a RT if we want to take the next step.

Edited December 22, 2019 by HappyDays

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

then that should be your argument. not a presumption of what would have happened.

It's natural to ask the question  'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.'

 

 

[Foxx]

7 minutes ago, london_bills said:

It's natural to ask the question  'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.'

again, it is a bit illogical. if any play had changed in the course of the game, the subsequent action would have changed as well. it is a non starter, you can never know with any certainty what the outcome would have been. 

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, london_bills said:

It's natural to ask the question  'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.'

 

 

 

Better question: would the entire offense be different if they let the kid play QB instead of managing the playmaker out of him?

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

again, it is a bit illogical. if any play had changed in the course of the game, the subsequent action would have changed as well. it is a non starter, you can never know with any certainty what the outcome would have been. 

Sure. And this is a little bit too intellectual.

 

More completions is never a bad thing. You are going to advance across the field. With that way of thinking you can never know if a missed endzone throw would have made a difference to a game if it was completed. 

 

The missed throw to knox in the endzone was an example of alot that happens with Allen. Its not rocket science to think you are better of in the grand scheme of things for throwing and catching that for a touchdown. 

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Better question: would the entire offense be different if they let the kid play QB instead of managing the playmaker out of him?

How is it a better question?

 

It's another good question! 

 

That's the problem I've got, they can both be true 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

How is it a better question?

 

It's another good question! 

 

That's the problem I've got, they can both be true 

 

There are a lot of legitimate points that can be made about what might have affected the outcome of a game. Yet, you always pick the one that puts Allen at fault...

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, london_bills said:

With that way of thinking you can never know if a missed endzone throw would have made a difference to a game if it was completed.

correct and exactly what i am saying, you can never know with any amount of certainty in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda.

 

9 minutes ago, london_bills said:

The missed throw to knox in the endzone was an example of alot that happens with Allen. Its not rocket science to think you are better of in the grand scheme of things for throwing and catching that for a touchdown. 

lol, this is an altogether different argument.

 

almost time to go enjoy some Sunday football, cheers

Edited December 22, 2019 by Foxx

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

There are a lot of legitimate points that can be made about what might have affected the outcome of a game. Yet, you always pick the one that puts Allen at fault...

Yes I usually do that's is accurate.

 

In my opinion Daboll is an easier and trendy criticism. 

 

He should be critized but I think Allen gets more of a pass because he is popular. 

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

correct and exactly what i am saying, you can never know with any amount of certainty in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda.

 

lol, this is an altogether different argument.

 

almost time to go enjoy some Sunday football, cheers

Your attitude comes across as just 'accept things the way they are.'

 

No. I expect better. 

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

... Your attitude comes across as just 'accept things the way they are.'

 

No. I expect better. 

nevermind. you most certainly can choose to continue to reside in the land of make believe, many do so....

 

your equation of the two diametrical points is baffling.

[london_bills]

Just now, Foxx said:

nevermind. you most certainly can choose to continue to reside in the land of make believe, many do so....

 

your equation of the two diametrical points is baffling.

Ok

[wppete]

10 - 5 and playoff bound. These are the important numbers! 

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Sure. And this is a little bit too intellectual.

 

More completions is never a bad thing. You are going to advance across the field. With that way of thinking you can never know if a missed endzone throw would have made a difference to a game if it was completed. 

 

The missed throw to knox in the endzone was an example of alot that happens with Allen. Its not rocket science to think you are better of in the grand scheme of things for throwing and catching that for a touchdown. 

How is it a better question?

 

It's another good question! 

 

That's the problem I've got, they can both be true 

 

Because Allen has shown that he can make plays reliably and move the offense effectively when he's allowed to play the game. Instead of worrying about whether or not he can make the little plays on a drive to drive basis, why not set him up to do what they know he does well? You know, put the dude in the position to do what he's most comfortable doing? That's what Belichick does. You'll never see him ask a player to do something that they don't already do well.

[Socal-805]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

What are people watching? 

 

 

Watching?  Allen go 3 for 9 in the first half, with like 31 not yards passing?

 

He had some nice throws in 2nd half but was pretty brutal in 1st half.

 

What are you watching?

 

He ended up 50 % completions again.... Can't win with that.  

 

 

 

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Because Allen has shown that he can make plays reliably and move the offense effectively when he's allowed to play the game. Instead of worrying about whether or not he can make the little plays on a drive to drive basis, why not set him up to do what they know he does well? You know, put the dude in the position to do what he's most comfortable doing? That's what Belichick does. You'll never see him ask a player to do something that they don't already do well.

You mean that we could of started the game with simple throws for Allen? 

[thebandit27]

Just now, london_bills said:

You mean that we could of started the game with simple throws for Allen? 

 

I mean a lot of things could be different about the offense. 

 

Yes, they could call some quick pass plays instead of 4 straight runs on the first series. They could not go into a full lead-conservation mode on offense after the Brown TD. They could stop calling the same run play on first down every series right into the teeth of the defense.

 

But mostly I mean that they need to let the kid play football and stop asking him to manage the game. It's very easy to see.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

FFS, watching the games today, and you know what?  QBs are missing passes all over the place. Just saw the MVP Lamar miss 2 college open guys. Damn I'm shocked based on the takes I see on 2BD, thought other NFL QBs never missed a few.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

 

Watching?  Allen go 3 for 9 in the first half, with like 31 not yards passing?

 

He had some nice throws in 2nd half but was pretty brutal in 1st half.

 

What are you watching?

 

He ended up 50 % completions again.... Can't win with that.  

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, always "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!1!1!1!!1!1". Forget the rest of it; this is the stat that matters.

 

I'm pretty sure that the NFL is going to rescind 6 of the team's wins for Allen finishing the season below 60%.

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Ah yes, always "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!1!1!1!!1!1". Forget the rest of it; this is the stat that matters.

 

I'm pretty sure that the NFL is going to rescind 6 of the team's wins for Allen finishing the season below 60%.

Allen makes too many poor throws. It hurts the team, despite all the good things he does. Nothing wrong with pointing out those misses. There were 2 TD's we missed that most QB's would have made.

Edited December 22, 2019 by klos63

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I mean a lot of things could be different about the offense. 

 

Yes, they could call some quick pass plays instead of 4 straight runs on the first series. They could not go into a full lead-conservation mode on offense after the Brown TD. They could stop calling the same run play on first down every series right into the teeth of the defense.

 

But mostly I mean that they need to let the kid play football and stop asking him to manage the game. It's very easy to see.

I agree with all of these points. they could do these things. I think my concern is why Allen is so off.

 

I'm sorry, but calling a couple of running plays to start the game shouldn't mean that the QBs arm is totally off on the first throws the QB has, know what I mean? . If we are always trying to make the QB comfortable to start the game then the opposition starts to know what we are doing more. 

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Allen makes too many poor throws. It hurts the team, despite all the good things he does. Nothing wrong with pointing out those misses. There were 2 TD's we missed that most QB's would have made.

 

I have no problem with pointing out areas in which he needs to improve. None whatsoever. 

 

When people focus on completion percentage as though it determines the outcome of the game, it sounds absurd.

 

For the record, I don't know that I'd say "most" QBs make those 2 throws. I would say, however, that Allen should have hit at least one of them. Though the play at the end I admit I'm okay with throwing that one over the top and safe; the thinking being that you've got 2 more chances. How was Josh supposed to know that the right side of the line would play turnstile on consecutive game-deciding plays?

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I agree with all of these points. they could do these things. I think my concern is why Allen is so off.

 

I'm sorry, but calling a couple of running plays to start the game shouldn't mean that the QBs arm is totally off on the first throws the QB has, know what I mean? . If we are always trying to make the QB comfortable to start the game then the opposition starts to know what we are doing more. 

 

I'm more concerned about his comfort level at the start of games in the short-term than I am long-term. I expect that he'll grow into a higher comfort level for these big games as he matures. For now, he's just scratching the surface of what it means to be an NFL QB. It's the toughest position in pro sports, and he's gone from nowheresville to the grandest stage in less than 2 years, so I'm not surprised that he gets too amped up at first.

[Socal-805]

On 10/6/2019 at 1:26 PM, Crayola64 said:

 

Well, TDs and INTs represent a very small sample of passing plays...unlike completion percentage.  So that would be dumb

 

 

WRONG   IT:S A HUGE indicator - 

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Though the play at the end I admit I'm okay with throwing that one over the top and safe; the thinking being that you've got 2 more chances. How was Josh supposed to know that the right side of the line would play turnstile on consecutive game-deciding plays?

 

I thought the 4th down play was incredible too, it was not easy getting out of that pocket and IMO he threw a really good ball. Unfortunately the target was 5'8 Beasley. No chance in hell he was going to win that catch. This team needs a 6'2 or taller receiver in the worst way. Someone that can jump and grab the ball out of the air.

Edited December 22, 2019 by HappyDays

[Socal-805]

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I have no problem with pointing out areas in which he needs to improve. None whatsoever. 

 

When people focus on completion percentage as though it determines the outcome of the game, it sounds absurd.

 

For the record, I don't know that I'd say "most" QBs make those 2 throws. I would say, however, that Allen should have hit at least one of them. Though the play at the end I admit I'm okay with throwing that one over the top and safe; the thinking being that you've got 2 more chances. How was Josh supposed to know that the right side of the line would play turnstile on consecutive game-deciding plays?

 

I'm more concerned about his comfort level at the start of games in the short-term than I am long-term. I expect that he'll grow into a higher comfort level for these big games as he matures. For now, he's just scratching the surface of what it means to be an NFL QB. It's the toughest position in pro sports, and he's gone from nowheresville to the grandest stage in less than 2 years, so I'm not surprised that he gets too amped up at first.

 

 

LOL   Sounds like you Do.

 

 

[london_bills]

For the record, I don't know that I'd say "most" QBs make those 2 throws. I would say, however, that Allen should have hit at least one of them. Though the play at the end I admit I'm okay with throwing that one over the top and safe; the thinking being that you've got 2 more chances. How was Josh supposed to know that the right side of the line would play turnstile on consecutive game-deciding plays?

 

Play at the end by allen no one should criticize, he gave beasley a chance. 

 

 

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

 

LOL   Sounds like you Do.

 

 

 

Nope.

 

My disdain is for ignorance and stupidity.

 

Make a relevant point and we'll talk about it. Much like London has done.

 

Come with "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!!1!1!1" as your case and you get sassed for spouting drivel.

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

For the record, I don't know that I'd say "most" QBs make those 2 throws. I would say, however, that Allen should have hit at least one of them. Though the play at the end I admit I'm okay with throwing that one over the top and safe; the thinking being that you've got 2 more chances. How was Josh supposed to know that the right side of the line would play turnstile on consecutive game-deciding plays?

 

Play at the end by allen no one should criticize, he gave beasley a chance. 

 

 

 

Agree, but I was talking about the 2nd down to Knox. He should've got that throw despite it being a tough fit over 2 defenders. Though I am a bit more forgiving of that than the first drive because at the end you have two more shots after 2nd down, so I can see playing that throw on the safe side.

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Nope.

 

My disdain is for ignorance and stupidity.

 

Make a relevant point and we'll talk about it. Much like London has done.

 

Come with "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!!1!1!1" as your case and you get sassed for spouting drivel.

 

Agree, but I was talking about the 2nd down to Knox. He should've got that throw despite it being a tough fit over 2 defenders. Though I am a bit more forgiving of that than the first drive because at the end you have two more shots after 2nd down, so I can see playing that throw on the safe side.

No I agree with that. Allen should have hit it 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, london_bills said:

 

'But he also made throws I don't know if other QBs could make, like that Brown TD pass falling backwards with defenders in his face.' 

 

Yes. We know this, Allen is exciting.

 

The truth is he is not making the easy throws and we are held back by this. 

 

Constant 3 and outs in the first half cost us. He plays overwhelmed and misses everything easy in the first half. These things have to be acknowledged. 

 

Yes we are 10-5 but look at the QBs who have beaten the patriots this season. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson. We needed a performance like that to help towards beating the Pats.

 

When he started to connect Shock HORROR we were in the lead. 

 

I can see where we could be with a better QB, sorry. 

Haha Of course! 

 

Like I say, I can see where we would be with a better QB. Just imagine 10 more completions in that game. 

That would put him at almost 89% completion rate. Show me who that QB is against the best pass defense in the NFL.  Really he only needed 1 more completion.  That doesn't mean he is the reason we lost though.  Imagine a defense that could get off the field and give your offense more opportunities with the ball.  Imagine an oline that doesn't allow jail break rushers at your QB even when they aren't blitzing.  Imagine a run game that was effective.  Imagine not running the ball 5 straight times when you start in FG position.  Imagine not running the ball 3 straight times after scoring a huge TD on the drive before hand.  Imagine an OC that isn't predictable on everything he does. 

 

There is ton of blame to go around.  The easiest one to blame is a guy that missed a few passes.  I don't understand why some people always have to find that ONE person to blame.  Oh wait, I do.  Its because they hate Allen.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Scott7975

[Numark3]

50 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

 

WRONG   IT:S A HUGE indicator - 

In just five words you managed to make three punctuation errors...how?