Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[syhuang]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

I say “look at blitz rate as a way to see if defenses respect Josh’s ability to make quick decisions.”

 

You say “here’s how everyone performed vs the blitz!”

 

I say “no just look at blitz rate.”

 

You say “glad we can move on from how guys did vs the blitz.”

 

Nice straw man.

 

Also, why are you continually bringing up Hodges when he’s played four games? That’s just as bad as the PFF tweet. 
 

BTW, as someone who lives on the west coast and frequently goes to Seahawks games I can tell you that one of the knocks on Wilson for years has been his ability to make quick decisions. 
 

You’re never going to find a stat that shows definitely what you’re asking me to show. There are too many parts and pieces which is why you have to look at a bunch of different things, quantitative and qualitative, and piece it together which is what I tried to do. 

 

 

 

Glad we are in agreement that there is no stat to show a quarterback is slower to read a defense. The only problem I have with your earlier stats is that you didn't show the correlation between the stats and your claim. It's good that you now realize it.

 

BTW, in addition to Hodges, I'm pretty sure I also list Trubisky who plays 13 games this year. But that's beyond the point now since you admit blitz rate isn't an indicator either.

[jrober38]

Just now, Penfield45 said:

 

exactly. Daboll is so out of his depth at OC. he just has no idea how to make the game simple for his young QB. 

 

get someone like Jay Gruden in here and watch Allen flourish under him. you see QB's around the league padding their stats with 10 screen passes per game. 

 

Daboll consistently schemes open receivers, and our QB either can't hit them or the receivers drop the ball a lot of the time.

 

Our screen game needs help, but I think that's more a product of our linemen not being mobile enough to execute it very well. 

[whorlnut]

10 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Wins are a team stat.

 

I like that the Bills are winning. I think our QB has contributed very little to us winning that most NFL QBs couldn't replicate or improve upon. 

 

I think there are at least 20 NFL QBs who would have allowed this team to go at least 10-4 so far. 

Really?  As another poster pointed out, Allen has accounted for over 80% of our offense this season, is the highest rated 4th quarter qb in the league, and is tied for 4th quarter comebacks. Not to mention our defense hasn’t had any scores all year. 
 

Sounds to me like you are VERY wrong. Not surprising...

[Penfield45]

at the end of the day Josh needs to dramatically improve next season. 

 

our 10 wins and playoff berth is sort of papering over the cracks on offense. We are ranked bottom 5 in passing again. Averaging 200 ypg and throwing at 59% completion is not the improvement we hoped for as fans but it is enough this year bc of how poor our schedule has been. Of course not all his fault, he has a bad OC and mediocre talent on offense. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Daboll consistently schemes open receivers, and our QB either can't hit them or the receivers drop the ball a lot of the time.

 

Our screen game needs help, but I think that's more a product of our linemen not being mobile enough to execute it very well. 

 

yea we do need to improve the talent on offense big time. if we were a simply a top 10 or even top 15 passing offense we would be talking about SB contenders this year. 

[VW82]

2 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

Glad we are in agreement that there is no stat to show a quarterback is slower to read a defense. The only problem I have with your earlier stats is that you didn't show the correlation between the stats and your claim. It's good that you now realize it.

 

BTW, in addition to Hodges, I'm pretty sure I also list Trubisky who plays 13 games this year. But that's beyond the point now since you admit blitz rate isn't an indicator either.

Glad we’re in agreement that you can’t come up with even a single piece of evidence to support the opposing POV.

 

You’re asking me to show correlation between opposing blitz rate and the defensive coordinator’s respect for the QB’s ability to get the ball out quickly. Really??

[jrober38]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Really?  As another poster pointed out, Allen has accounted for over 80% of our offense this season, is the highest rated 4th quarter qb in the league, and is tied for 4th quarter comebacks. Not to mention our defense hasn’t had any scores all year. 
 

Sounds to me like you are VERY wrong. Not surprising...

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

[syhuang]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

Glad we’re in agreement that you can’t come up with even a single piece of evidence to support the opposing POV.

 

You’re asking me to show correlation between opposing blitz rate and the defensive coordinator’s respect for the QB’s ability to get the ball out quickly. Really??

 

Actually I do not have the opposing POV. I do not claim whether Allen is slower to read a defense or not since I know there is no stat to indicate it, just as you also agreed. ?

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

That’s an opinion. Nothing more. 
 

I think you discount the fact that Allen’s teammates love him and respect his style of play. Can you say that about these mythical 20 other QBs?  I bet you can’t. 

[Sundancer]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

Our screen game needs help, but I think that's more a product of our linemen not being mobile enough to execute it very well. 

 

You watch this team at all, really? 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

 

Interesting.  Your list of those 20+?

 

 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

That’s an opinion. Nothing more. 
 

I think you discount the fact that Allen’s teammates love him and respect his style of play. Can you say that about these mythical 20 other QBs?  I bet you can’t. 

 

I bet most top 20 NFL QBs are loved by their team.

 

That's not a phenomenon unique to Josh Allen. 

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

 

I promise I'm not going to call you dumb...

 

I am, however, going to point out that you believe that there are 20 QBs that would be more productive than the guy that's 6th among QBs in TDs.

 

And that's an incredibly stupid statement.

[Capco]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

 

In passing performance, maybe.  But when you account for what Allen provides on the ground I think that gives you a more complete picture of his performance as a quarterback.  

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I bet most top 20 NFL QBs are loved by their team.

 

That's not a phenomenon unique to Josh Allen. 

I think you’re wrong. But you are entitled to your OPINION. 

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

In passing performance, maybe.  But when you account for what Allen provides on the ground I think that gives you a more complete picture of his performance as a quarterback.  

 

He says this on the back of Also claiming that the WRs aren't good and the OL isn't good.

 

He's...unique...to say the least 

[jrober38]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Interesting.  Your list of those 20+?

 

 

 

I think the following QBs would all have equalled or out produced the points production we've produced this year in our offense with this defense and special teams supporting them. I think we'd be 10-4 if you swapped any of them with Allen into this 53 man roster. 

 

Jackson, Brees, Watson, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott, Ryan, Stafford, Brady, Tannehill, Wentz, Murray, Roethlisberger, Brissett, Mayfield, Bridgewater, Rivers.

 

I think Daniel Jones, Darnold and Jameis Winston (his turnovers wouldn't matter because our defense is so good) would all be close.  

Edited December 17, 2019 by jrober38

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

 

Man, your crusade is so old and tired.  Get some new material, dude.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think the following QBs would all have equalled or out produced the points production we've produced this year in our offense with this defense and special teams supporting them.

 

Jackson, Brees, Watson, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott, Ryan, Stafford, Brady, Tannehill, Wentz, Murray, Roethlisberger, Brissett, Mayfield, Bridgewater, Rivers.

 

I think Daniel Jones, Darnold and Jameis Winston (his turnovers wouldn't matter because our defense is so good) would all be close.  

there are some names in here that are just flat out comical..... WOW.

 

this speaks volumes about what we are dealing with when you decide to speak on the qb situation.... which sorta stinks because its basically all you decide to speak on. 

[FireChans]

 

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I bet most top 20 NFL QBs are loved by their team.

 

That's not a phenomenon unique to Josh Allen. 

That’s an interesting bet. Loved is an interesting adjective. I bet Chargers fans “love” Rivers for his career but I doubt they love his performance this year. 

 

I would say that number is closer to 14 in terms of active QBs in the NFL in which a large portion of the fan base loves them as their “guy.”

 

Here would be my list:

 

Brady

LJ

Brees 

Dak

Wentz

Goff

Wilson

Jimmy

Ryan

Minshew

Darnold

Baker

Murray

Mahomes

Rodgers

Watson

 

Can’t think of anyone else and some of those are debatable honestly. More than 14 but less than 20.

Edited December 17, 2019 by FireChans

[Stank_Nasty]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He says this on the back of Also claiming that the WRs aren't good and the OL isn't good.

 

He's...unique...to say the least 

Mayfield is a complete turnover machine with weapons to spare on offense. the guy has OBJ, Jarvis landry and nick chubb at his disposal.... and he claims he'd be better than allen in buffalo this year..... TRY AND WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND THAT.

 

….. good lord.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think the following QBs would all have equalled or out produced the points production we've produced this year in our offense with this defense and special teams supporting them. I think we'd be 10-4 if you swapped any of them with Allen into this 53 man roster. 

 

Jackson, Brees, Watson, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Garoppolo, Cousins, Prescott, Ryan, Stafford, Brady, Tannehill, Wentz, Murray, Roethlisberger, Brissett, Mayfield, Bridgewater, Rivers.

 

I think Daniel Jones, Darnold and Jameis Winston (his turnovers wouldn't matter because our defense is so good) would all be close.  

Ben and Stafford would be excellent additions to the IR list this season, but I doubt they’d be all that helpful on the sideline.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

there are some names in here that are just flat out comical..... WOW.

 

this speaks volumes about what we are dealing with when you decide to speak on the qb situation.... which sorta stinks because its basically all you decide to speak on. 

 

You guys are such homers.

 

Our offense is horrible.

 

You all act like Allen is setting the world on fire.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Mayfield is a complete turnover machine with weapons to spare on offense. the guy has OBJ, Jarvis landry and nick chubb at his disposal.... and he claims he'd be better than allen in buffalo this year..... TRY AND WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND THAT.

 

….. good lord.

 

The nuanced view is even more hilarious actually.

 

We've got a guy that's claiming 20 other QBs would be more productive than Allen in this situation. Or in other words: this situation is so good for a QB that you can get better production--better than 6th in the NFL in TDs by a QB--from any of 20 guys...meanwhile he's claiming in another post on this board that the WRs don't catch the ball reliably and the OL doesn't block well.

 

It's actually bordering on insane if you break it down.

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You guys are such homers.

 

Our offense is horrible.

 

You all act like Allen is setting the world on fire.

 

22 out of 32 is not good...but it's not horrible.

 

Hyperbole is the enemy of rational thinking.

 

You're simply out to lunch.

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Mayfield is a complete turnover machine with weapons to spare on offense. the guy has OBJ, Jarvis landry and nick chubb at his disposal.... and he claims he'd be better than allen in buffalo this year..... TRY AND WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND THAT.

 

….. good lord.

 

Coaching and defense matter.

 

Contrary to popular belief, football is a team sport.

[Pokebball]

27 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yes. There are at least 20 QBs in the NFL right now who would be leading this offense to the same or better productivity than Allen has done so far. 

We all have belly buttons and you have the right to yours.

[LABILLBACKER]

Josh Allen's development was always going to be slow. He's on schedule and making progress but clearly has more to learn. If he hits 60% for the entire season (year 2), I would be ecstatic. Kelly didn't hit 60% till year 4. Wide receivers, rbs and fullbacks need to stop dropping catchable balls. And last but definitely not least, Daboll has to be better. Take the training wheels off Josh and let him attempt to put points up with 2 min before a half. This ultra conservative approach to the offense is ridiculous. Stop forcing the defense to always bail you out.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

You guys are such homers.

 

Our offense is horrible.

 

You all act like Allen is setting the world on fire.

I act like Allen is still developing, has plenty to work on, has been working with limited resources around him...…. AND STILL HAS SCORED MORE TD'S THAN ALL BUT 5 FREAKING PEOPLE IN THE NFL!!!!!

 

calling allen a bottom 10 qb is absurd. tomorrow and the next day different sites qb rankings will come out from the panels they have vote on it and allen will fall anywhere in between 12-16 most likely. just like he has for a month.... because most people have the mental compacity to use context and their eyeballs for evaluation.

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Coaching and defense matter.

 

Contrary to popular belief, football is a team sport.

ya... so mayfields 17 int in 14 games is on the defensive issues. same as rivers 18 picks.... or darnolds 12 int through 11 games.

 

 

makes sense. 

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You guys are such homers.

 

Our offense is horrible.

 

You all act like Allen is setting the world on fire.

I'm not sure you understand that the offense is as the coaching staff have crafted it.  There was a reason that the offense has 9 new starters this year.  The offense isn't Allen.  The offense is McD and Daboll.  

 

Last year's offense was horrible.  This year's offense is much improved.  This year's offense needs to continue to grow and improve.

 

Patience grasshopper!

[C.Biscuit97]

I think where we are at is we have a young qb who plays with a really good defense who has become a solid game manager. He has big play ability, especially with his running right now.  Allen isn’t being asked to win games but rather not lose them.  And if we keep the game close, he has shown ability to led late drives to win them, which is big. 

 

i think where some people have questions is if he is truly a franchise guy who is young and playing to his team’s strengths (ala Brady, Big Ben, Wilson) and grow with more experience. And The other side are the Bortles, Mitch T, and Sanchez (he’s better than Sanchez).  We probably won’t have an answer this year because I think the team is very comfortable with the current formula. As someone who has certainly had questions about Allen, I’m just going to enjoy the ride and hope for the best.  

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You guys are such homers.

 

Our offense is horrible.

 

You all act like Allen is setting the world on fire.

 

How many times must those of us who see real improvement and flashes of elite potential in Allen have to say HE STILL HAS A LOT OF AREAS HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE IN before you sour pusses quit setting up & knocking down this straw man?

 

I can't think of a single 2BD post claiming that Allen is setting the world on fire.  Where do you get this stuff?

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

How many times must those of us who see real improvement and flashes of elite potential in Allen have to say HE STILL HAS A LOT OF AREAS HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE IN before you sour pusses quit setting up & knocking down this straw man?

 

I can't think of a single 2BD post claiming that Allen is setting the world on fire.  Where do you get this stuff?

 

 

He has to set it up that way or his argument becomes even more ridiculous....

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh Allen's development was always going to be slow. He's on schedule and making progress but clearly has more to learn. If he hits 60% for the entire season (year 2), I would be ecstatic. Kelly didn't hit 60% till year 4. Wide receivers, rbs and fullbacks need to stop dropping catchable balls. And last but definitely not least, Daboll has to be better. Take the training wheels off Josh and let him attempt to put points up with 2 min before a half. This ultra conservative approach to the offense is ridiculous. Stop forcing the defense to always bail you out.

1) the Kelly comparison is completely invalid because it’s a completely different nfl.  This era is steroids to qb stats.

 

2) as much as I would love to see if Allen can carry this team, there is no way that is happening this year. We have won 10 games with Allen as a game manager. No way they are going to change things now. And I have a feeling that is from the head coach. 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think where we are at is we have a young qb who plays with a really good defense who has become a solid game manager. He has big play ability, especially with his running right now.  Allen isn’t being asked to win games but rather not lose them.  And if we keep the game close, he has shown ability to led late drives to win them, which is big. 

 

i think where some people have questions is if he is truly a franchise guy who is young and playing to his team’s strengths (ala Brady, Big Ben, Wilson) and grow with more experience. And The other side are the Bortles, Mitch T, and Sanchez (he’s better than Sanchez).  We probably won’t have an answer this year because I think the team is very comfortable with the current formula. As someone who has certainly had questions about Allen, I’m just going to enjoy the ride and hope for the best.  

He'll be fine and even better next year. Let's not kid ourselves,  he needs a tall #1 WR, a reliable #1 TE, a true RB1( Jonathan  Taylor), as I consider Devin a solid RB2. Add this next year to existing players and JA will take off. ( In spite of Daboll)

Edited December 18, 2019 by LABILLBACKER

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think where we are at is we have a young qb who plays with a really good defense who has become a solid game manager. He has big play ability, especially with his running right now.  Allen isn’t being asked to win games but rather not lose them.  And if we keep the game close, he has shown ability to led late drives to win them, which is big. 

 

i think where some people have questions is if he is truly a franchise guy who is young and playing to his team’s strengths (ala Brady, Big Ben, Wilson) and grow with more experience. And The other side are the Bortles, Mitch T, and Sanchez (he’s better than Sanchez).  We probably won’t have an answer this year because I think the team is very comfortable with the current formula. As someone who has certainly had questions about Allen, I’m just going to enjoy the ride and hope for the best.  

 

We won't know your last question for another 2 - 3 years.  It takes 4 to 5 years in total before you can really be sure if you have a franchise QB.  But everything I've seen to date is trending in the right direction.

 

But I do disagree to a point with your notion that Allen is only a game manager and is not being asked to win games only to not lose them.  As you mention in your post, Allen has led 5 game winning drives which to me means that they really do ask him, in a limited way, to win some games for them.

 

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He'll be fine and even better next year. Let's not kid ourselves,  he needs a tall #1 we, a reliable #1 te, a true RB1 as I consider Devin a solid RB2. Add this next year to existing players and JA will take off. ( In spite of Daboll)

Daboll is good.

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

We won't know your last question for another 2 - 3 years.  It takes 4 to 5 years in total before you can really be sure if you have a franchise QB.  But everything I've seen to date is trending in the right direction.

 

But I do disagree to a point with your notion that Allen is only a game manager and is not being asked to win games only to not lose them.  As you mention in your post, Allen has led 5 game winning drives which to me means that they really do ask him, in a limited way, to win some games for them.

 

 

The difference is Allen isn’t asked to carry the team often. Your point is well taken, and he has delivered in big moments, but he and the offense aren’t tasked with putting up 25-30 points every game to win.

[Teddy KGB]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Man, your crusade is so old and tired.  Get some new material, dude.

 

I thought crusades led to mutings and bans, this guy repeats the same posts every 14 days or just disappears after good games.  

Edited December 18, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[Meatloaf63]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1) the Kelly comparison is completely invalid because it’s a completely different nfl.  This era is steroids to qb stats.

 

2) as much as I would love to see if Allen can carry this team, there is no way that is happening this year. We have won 10 games with Allen as a game manager. No way they are going to change things now. And I have a feeling that is from the head coach. 

Do you let him try over these next two games? We may need more out of him in the playoffs, would it hurt to loosen the reigns a bit?

Edited December 18, 2019 by Meatloaf63

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Daboll is good.

The difference is Allen isn’t asked to carry the team often. Your point is well taken, and he has delivered in big moments, but he and the offense aren’t tasked with putting up 25-30 points every game to win.

 

And that's why this coaching staff is very good.  Knowing your limitations is probably more important then knowing your strengths!

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

28 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 Brissett, Mayfield

Daniel Jones, Darnold 

 

Lmao.     Extra “reach” points for listing Rothlesberger and Stafford ??????

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Many seem to forget that a couple weeks ago against Dallas he played a pretty big role in the win.

 

Dallas did put up a lot of Yards(450+) and First downs(30+) even before we got the lead. The defense didn't win it alone.

 

I don't know about you, but when he was eating the Turkey leg, I didn't hear anyone arguing he wasn't the MVP of the game.

Edited December 18, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower