Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day Edited September 9, 2019 by Buffalo716 11 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) I agree. While he’s not flashy, he has a niche if used properly Edited September 9, 2019 by NewEra 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloanBillsFan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day LOL! These comparisons to NE are kinda fun! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Other than his 2 catches for like 6 yards I didn’t notice him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, mrags said: Other than his 2 catches for like 6 yards I didn’t notice him at all. I noticed him a bunch so I guess it depends what your looking at on a play 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, mrags said: Other than his 2 catches for like 6 yards I didn’t notice him at all. I think his usage is more complicated than that. He's out there to dictate the Defense's tendencies and force their personnel. When he's out there, they are likely to put out an LB. When they move him out wide, it helps determine if the coverage is man or zone. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, fridge said: I think his usage is more complicated than that. He's out there to dictate the Defense's tendencies and force their personnel. When he's out there, they are likely to put out an LB. When they move him out wide, it helps determine if the coverage is man or zone. For a really good explanation, check out Sal C.'s twitter account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Any pass you throw to Dimarco is better off going elsewhere. Hard pass. Edited September 9, 2019 by CommonCents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day Yes. Given they are using him sort of like pats used gronk, I’m ok with it. Has good hands actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I prefer the question - is he the guy that should be lining up all over the field? I would rather have someone else be the Dimarco...buy honestly dont worry too much about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: I agree. While he’s not flashy, he has a niche of used properly ...will have to defer to McD and Daboll....they know what they need and want despite pundits saying "cut".......he never will be a stat guy so that is the wrong criteria to decide his "fit" IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day Well, yes, and yet....there were a couple plays where he ran a route, and made a catch, but I had the thought that he's about as agile as a front loader and someone else out there would have gotten a few more yards. But he hauled 'em in, so there's that. I hear ya, @Buffalo716, he's the human Leatherman Wave for Daboll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I prefer the question - is he the guy that should be lining up all over the field? I would rather have someone else be the Dimarco...buy honestly dont worry too much about it. ...interesting......who would that be and what would be your duties deployment?......just curious...thanks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, fridge said: I think his usage is more complicated than that. He's out there to dictate the Defense's tendencies and force their personnel. When he's out there, they are likely to put out an LB. When they move him out wide, it helps determine if the coverage is man or zone. You dont need a Dimarco to do that. Plenty of other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I noticed him a bunch so I guess it depends what your looking at on a play Some people only look at the stat sheet. You will notice what was referenced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, yes, and yet....there were a couple plays where he ran a route, and made a catch, but I had the thought that he's about as agile as a front loader and someone else out there would have gotten a few more yards. But he hauled 'em in, so there's that ..he'll never be a Sam Gash type Hap but this gang certainly sees a viable role in the offense for him....I'm good with their judgment............. 1 minute ago, ngbills said: You dont need a Dimarco to do that. Plenty of other ways. ...so "pony up" with your assessment and recommendation then............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, fridge said: I think his usage is more complicated than that. He's out there to dictate the Defense's tendencies and force their personnel. When he's out there, they are likely to put out an LB. When they move him out wide, it helps determine if the coverage is man or zone. Exactly and not only that - they had a 2WR, 1TE, 1RB, and the full back set going early in the game. It is a running formation, but then they audible out to a spread formation. If the LB follows the FB out wide - man coverage and you also pulled a big hitter out of the middle to allow you to run specific crossing routes. If the Jets tried to counter with more nickel personnel- the Bills would have stayed tight and ran the ball. Same personnel- different plays to force the defense to react. A great game plan. Edited September 9, 2019 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interesting......who would that be and what would be your duties deployment?......just curious...thanks..... I would prefer having Gore/Singletary in some of those sets. Or use a TE as the Dimarco. You are going for the LB mismatch and I dont see Dimarco v LB as a mismatch. Singletary v LB is a diff story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 id like to know what he offers that a good blocking te doesnt. lee smith got a good paycheck and seems our te grouping is pretty stacked it would be nice to give smith his duties and let our young te get more reps while opening a roster spot for...i dunno a cb! but if our offense is better with a fb i guess i cant argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I could go the rest of my life without watching another pass to DiMarco at wideout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I would prefer having Gore/Singletary in some of those sets. Or use a TE as the Dimarco. You are going for the LB mismatch and I dont see Dimarco v LB as a mismatch. Singletary v LB is a diff story. Singletary may not get LB coverage - they may try to cover him with a DB because of what he showed in preseason. Then you do not get the man vs zone indicator and have to use a different motion. DiMarco they are going to cover 100% of the time with a LB - so you get the keys. I don’t think they believe Dimarco versus a LB is a huge mismatch. I think they used the formation for other things - especially to limit the LB blitzes Gregg’s could throw and get a read on coverage. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day GTFOH The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain? Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's..........in the meantime I guess we will have to settle for the 4th quarter being when they do what Allen does best......push the ball downfield and make plays with his legs when defenses are backed off trying to prevent the long ball. I'm not saying that LEARNING how to run an offense like Brady isn't good for Allen in the long run.........but there is a reason that McD runs a defense that tries to force teams to make lot's of short throws.......because for most passers it's just more opportunity for mistakes. And yeah the special breed DiMarco can make not-so-athletic mistakes.......like the ball that went off his face for an interception in the Peterman 5 pic game. He certainly shouldn't be catching passes outside the hashes unless it's a "gotcha" play like a wheel route. The first one of those deep outs that he fails to come back for and ends up turning into a pick-six nobody is ever going to want to see him get a ball thrown his way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I could go the rest of my life without watching another pass to DiMarco at wideout. Kind of reminded me of Kevin Gilbride. He would split Sam Gash out wide and have him run 3-yard outs, on the far hash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: id like to know what he offers that a good blocking te doesnt. lee smith got a good paycheck and seems our te grouping is pretty stacked it would be nice to give smith his duties and let our young te get more reps while opening a roster spot for...i dunno a cb! but if our offense is better with a fb i guess i cant argue. Because Lee Smith has spotty hands and DiMarco doenst.. Lee Smith will tell you personally that he hates catching a football and gets off on blocking. DiMarco has displayed solid hands for a FB over 8 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...interesting......who would that be and what would be your duties deployment?......just curious...thanks..... Sweeny? Knox? Anyone with more athletic ability. I don't think having a FB split out wide varies far from it being a TE. He does not present match up issues as most LB's in the NFL can run with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: I would prefer having Gore/Singletary in some of those sets. Or use a TE as the Dimarco. You are going for the LB mismatch and I dont see Dimarco v LB as a mismatch. Singletary v LB is a diff story. ...although the "brass" see a defined role for DiMarco, I agree on your point...don't see Gore as "throw in towel...he's old and slow" after ONE game...and I also don't understand Daboll waiting until the 3rd to test Singeltary, with just four carries.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: GTFOH The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain? Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's..........in the meantime I guess we will have to settle for the 4th quarter being when they do what Allen does best......push the ball downfield and make plays with his legs when defenses are backed off trying to prevent the long ball. I'm not saying that LEARNING how to run an offense like Brady isn't good for Allen in the long run.........but there is a reason that McD runs a defense that tries to force teams to make lot's of short throws.......because for most passers it's just more opportunity for mistakes. And yeah the special breed DiMarco can make not-so-athletic mistakes.......like the ball that went off his face for an interception in the Peterman 5 pic game. He certainly shouldn't be catching passes outside the hashes unless it's a "gotcha" play like a wheel route. The first one of those deep outs that he fails to come back for and ends up turning into a pick-six nobody is ever going to want to see him get a ball thrown his way again. Nobody is saying he's a HoF. He has a spot on the roster because he is versatile and can do alot of things. And yes you do still need a FB in today's NFL He is easily still one of the best 10 FBs in the world. He shouldn't be noticed, it's his job to go unnoticed unless he catches the ball. There are ALOT worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Sweeny? Knox? Anyone with more athletic ability. I don't think having a FB split out wide varies far from it being a TE. He does not present match up issues as most LB's in the NFL can run with him. ....yup....good points..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Singletary may not get LB coverage - they may try to cover him with a DB because of what he showed in preseason. Then you do not get the man vs zone indicator and have to use a different motion. DiMarco they are going to cover 100% of the time with a LB - so you get the keys. I don’t think they believe Dimarco versus a LB is a huge mismatch. I think they used the formation for other things - especially to limit the LB blitzes Gregg’s could throw and get a read on coverage. I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: GTFOH The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain? Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's.......... I could of course be mistaken, but it seems to me that what kept us out of the endzone had little to do with the "dink and dunk" I mean, other teams will get through sometimes and if Allen doesn't protect the ball on a sack, it doesn't really matter if he was dropping back to dink dunk or bomb, right? There's a reason teams dink-and-dunk: it's because it's an effective way to move the chains and keep the ball away from the other team's O If we can't dink-and-dunk successfully - we're not going to go anywhere The plays that bothered me, that I thought were poor judgement passes from Allen, were not dink-and-dunk stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes? Like I said in the OP. It's not all about his catching ability There will be alot of screens and rub routes mixed into that personnel when he's wide... He is faster than given credit for and big and he will create alot of space on a rub route for other players or screen Knox or Sweeney can also be on the field when DiMarco is as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety That's a mismatch I'll take all day I am one of the those "people" who wants him cut or questioned why wasn't he. All I'm saying is that he is a waste of a roster spot when you can utilize Lee Smith/Sweeney/Croom/Knox to do the same things with more agility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: well how bout sweeny? im not sure what your talking about, that pass smith caught in 2004 for us the first time he was on the team was a thing of beuty lol. until he tripped over his own feet. i dunno personel wise if he wants no catching duties why not get a athletic lineman that can chip in on ol if injury bites. i guess theres alot i may not know about position intricacies but its not like demarco is larry centers. when a pass is coming his way you cringe and hope for the best. I literally heard Smith say he gets off on blocking and hates catching so that where I base my opinion of that on lol DiMarco isn't a HoF but he is a top 10 FB in the world with versatility You don't want a guy like Knox or Sweeney playing FB because they have too much potential and playing FB kills your body and shortens a career Edited September 9, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Lee Smith has spotty hands and DiMarco doenst.. Lee Smith will tell you personally that he hates catching a football and gets off on blocking. DiMarco has displayed solid hands for a FB over 8 seasons well how bout sweeny? im not sure what your talking about, that pass smith caught in 2004 for us the first time he was on the team was a thing of beuty lol. until he tripped over his own feet. i dunno personel wise if he wants no catching duties why not get a athletic lineman that can chip in on ol if injury bites. i guess theres alot i may not know about position intricacies but its not like demarco is larry centers. when a pass is coming his way you cringe and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ngbills said: I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes? NE when they bring Develin out wide against teams with stout interiors an blitzes. Utilized several times against Rex Ryan’s Bills teams. I agree that Dimarco should not be the primary target, but if they are using the formation for a specific reason like limiting the blitzes the Jets can throw - then it was a win getting anything positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I literally heard Smith say he gets off on blocking and hates catching so that where I base my opinion of that on i hear ya. just seems like a major liability. like a hb that hates taking on blitzers. if you dont like it should prob find a new position cause there are others that are willing and able. i guess it works for him just like our fg kicker that hated kicking it off. bills will accommodate with a extra roster spot lol by the way the smith statement was a joke. i do remember that catch and it was bad...but not any better then ive seen from dimarco. Edited September 9, 2019 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 He kinda reminds me of a slow TE who can also play Hback. He looks like Nick O’Leary on his routes and seems to be open if Allen wants to just find a checkdown. Pretty reliable hands and versatility to motion out wide and force someone to account for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Like I said in the OP. It's not all about his catching ability There will be alot of screens and rub routes mixed into that personnel when he's wide... He is faster than given credit for and big and he will create alot of space on a rub route for other players or screen Knox or Sweeney can also be on the field when DiMarco is as well Best game of his career is 3 catches for 35 yards...I dont think its a matter of him not being utilized correctly. I am all for the occasional pass out of the backfield on a short yardage play or even a wheel route. But lining him up outside is just not my preference. I think coaches can try to be cute and out think themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, Buffarukus said: i hear ya. just seems like a major liability. like a hb that hates taking on blitzers. if you dont like it should prob find a new position cause there are others that are willing and able. i guess it works for him just like our fg kicker that hated kicking it off. bills will accommodate with a extra roster spot lol It's definitely not ideal but it's also a guy who knows his role... Football teams are defined by the roles you play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I hear ya, @Buffalo716, he's the human Leatherman Wave for Daboll I think he's more a Gerber MP600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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