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10 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would prefer having Gore/Singletary in some of those sets. Or use a TE as the Dimarco. You are going for the LB mismatch and I dont see Dimarco v LB as a mismatch. Singletary v LB is a diff story. 

 

...although the "brass" see a defined role for DiMarco, I agree on your point...don't see Gore as "throw in towel...he's old and slow" after ONE game...and I also don't understand Daboll waiting until the 3rd to test Singeltary, with just four carries....

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6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

GTFOH:lol:

 

The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain?:doh:

 

Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's..........in the meantime I guess we will have to settle for the 4th quarter being when they do what Allen does best......push the ball downfield and make plays with his legs when defenses are backed off trying to prevent the long ball.

 

I'm not saying that LEARNING how to run an offense like Brady isn't good for Allen in the long run.........but there is a reason that McD runs a defense that tries to force teams to make lot's of short throws.......because for most passers it's just more opportunity for mistakes.  

 

And yeah the special breed DiMarco can make not-so-athletic mistakes.......like the ball that went off his face for an interception in the Peterman 5 pic game.   He certainly shouldn't be catching passes outside the hashes unless it's a "gotcha" play like a wheel route.    The first one of those deep outs that he fails to come back for and ends up turning into a pick-six nobody is ever going to want to see him get a ball thrown his way again.

 

 

Nobody is saying he's a HoF.

 

He has a spot on the roster because he is versatile and can do alot of things. And yes you do still need a FB in today's NFL

 

He is easily still one of the best 10 FBs in the world. He shouldn't be noticed, it's his job to go unnoticed unless he catches the ball. There are ALOT worse

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2 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Sweeny? Knox? Anyone with more athletic ability. I don't think having a FB split out wide varies far from it being a TE. He does not present match up issues as most LB's in the NFL can run with him. 

 

....yup....good points.....:thumbsup:

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3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Singletary may not get LB coverage - they may try to cover him with a DB because of what he showed in preseason.  Then you do not get the man vs zone indicator and have to use a different motion.

 

DiMarco they are going to cover 100% of the time with a LB - so you get the keys. 

 

I don’t think they believe Dimarco versus a LB is a huge mismatch.  I think they used the formation for other things - especially to limit the LB blitzes Gregg’s could throw and get a read on coverage.

I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. 

 

If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. 

 

There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes?

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5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

GTFOH:lol:

 

The team couldn't get near the end zone for 3 quarters with that dink and dunk ***** and you are celebrating the return of Sam Gash split wide catching a pass that went 25 yards horizontally for 1 ***** yard gain?:doh:

 

Let me know when that screen game comes together and starts producing TD's..........

 

I could of course be mistaken, but it seems to me that what kept us out of the endzone had little to do with the "dink and dunk"

I mean, other teams will get through sometimes and if Allen doesn't protect the ball on a sack, it doesn't really matter if he was dropping back to dink dunk or bomb, right?

 

There's a reason teams dink-and-dunk: it's because it's an effective way to move the chains and keep the ball away from the other team's O

If we can't dink-and-dunk successfully - we're not going to go anywhere

 

The plays that bothered me, that I thought were poor judgement passes from Allen, were not dink-and-dunk stuff.

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1 minute ago, ngbills said:

I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. 

 

If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. 

 

There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes?

Like I said in the OP. It's not all about his catching ability

 

There will be alot of screens and rub routes mixed into that personnel when he's wide... He is faster than given credit for and big and he will create alot of space on a rub route for other players or screen

 

Knox or Sweeney can also be on the field when DiMarco is as well

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Going into game 1 there was a host of people who wanted DiMarco cut, said he doesn't do enough to warrant a spot... Some wanted WR Williams converted to FB lol

 

Yesterday showed why Dabolls likes and kept him. He lines up all over the field. He lines up in the backfield and blocks, he gets motioned out wide and blocks , he gets motioned out wide and runs routes

 

Playing FB in the NFL is super physically demanding, it takes a special breed and even Belechick has always utilized a FB

 

DiMarco offers versatility that not many other in the league offers. He splits out wide and catches passes and he does have good hands. But more importantly, the Bills will be running alot of rub routes and jailbreak screens for Beasley and McKenzie, and DiMarco getting split outwide offers a great blocking matchup with a FB on a CB or safety

 

That's a mismatch I'll take all day

I am one of the those "people" who wants him cut or questioned why wasn't he. All I'm saying is that he is a waste of a roster spot when you can utilize Lee Smith/Sweeney/Croom/Knox to do the same things with more agility 

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4 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

well how bout sweeny? 

 

im not sure what your talking about, that pass smith caught in 2004 for us the first time he was on the team was a thing of beuty lol. until he tripped over his own feet. i dunno personel wise if he wants no catching duties why not get a athletic lineman that can chip in on ol if injury bites. i guess theres alot i may not know about position intricacies but its not like demarco is larry centers. when a pass is coming his way you cringe and hope for the best.

I literally heard Smith say he gets off on blocking and hates catching so that where I base my opinion of that on lol

 

DiMarco isn't a HoF but he is a top 10 FB in the world with versatility

 

You don't want a guy like Knox or Sweeney playing FB because they have too much potential and playing FB kills your body and shortens a career

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because Lee Smith has spotty hands and DiMarco doenst..

 

Lee Smith will tell you personally that he hates catching a football and gets off on blocking. DiMarco has displayed solid hands for a FB over 8 seasons

 

well how bout sweeny? 

 

im not sure what your talking about, that pass smith caught in 2004 for us the first time he was on the team was a thing of beuty lol. until he tripped over his own feet. i dunno personel wise if he wants no catching duties why not get a athletic lineman that can chip in on ol if injury bites. i guess theres alot i may not know about position intricacies but its not like demarco is larry centers. when a pass is coming his way you cringe and hope for the best.

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1 minute ago, ngbills said:

I get using him for limiting blitzes by getting the LB pout of the box. But he should not the designed to throw the ball to on that play. 

 

If they are keeping a LB off the field with Gore/Singletary we run the ball on that front. 

 

There are many ways to create mismatches in the NFL. How many teams are using a Dimarco outside the hashes?

 

 

NE when they bring Develin out wide against teams with stout interiors an blitzes.  Utilized several times against Rex Ryan’s Bills teams.

 

I agree that Dimarco should not be the primary target, but if they are using the formation for a specific reason like limiting the blitzes the Jets can throw - then it was a win getting anything positive.

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I literally heard Smith say he gets off on blocking and hates catching so that where I base my opinion of that on 

i hear ya. just seems like a major liability. like a hb that hates taking on blitzers. if you dont like it should prob find a new position cause there are others that are willing and able. i guess it works for him just like our fg kicker that hated kicking it off. bills will accommodate with a extra roster spot lol

 

by the way the smith statement was a joke. i do remember that catch and it was bad...but not any better then ive seen from dimarco.

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He kinda reminds me of a slow TE who can also play Hback. He looks like Nick O’Leary on his routes and seems to be open if Allen wants to just find a checkdown. Pretty reliable hands and versatility to motion out wide and force someone to account for him.

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Like I said in the OP. It's not all about his catching ability

 

There will be alot of screens and rub routes mixed into that personnel when he's wide... He is faster than given credit for and big and he will create alot of space on a rub route for other players or screen

 

Knox or Sweeney can also be on the field when DiMarco is as well

 

 

Best game of his career is 3 catches for 35 yards...I dont think its a matter of him not being utilized correctly.

 

I am all for the occasional pass out of the backfield on a short yardage play or even a wheel route. But lining him up outside is just not my preference. I think coaches can try to be cute and out think themselves. 

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Just now, Buffarukus said:

i hear ya. just seems like a major liability. like a hb that hates taking on blitzers. if you dont like it should prob find a new position cause there are others that are willing and able. i guess it works for him just like our fg kicker that hated kicking it off. bills will accommodate with a extra roster spot lol

It's definitely not ideal but it's also a guy who knows his role... Football teams are defined by the roles you play

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33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I hear ya, @Buffalo716, he's the human Leatherman Wave for Daboll

I think he's more a Gerber MP600.

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1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Best game of his career is 3 catches for 35 yards...I dont think its a matter of him not being utilized correctly.

 

I am all for the occasional pass out of the backfield on a short yardage play or even a wheel route. But lining him up outside is just not my preference. I think coaches can try to be cute and out think themselves. 

I don't think my point is getting across..  He isn't lined out wide for his receiving ability

 

I assume that he will be blocking downfield on screens and rub routes throughout the season when lined up wide

 

A FB blocking a CB or safety in space is a mismatch

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A lot of DiMarco detractors are missing a key point.

Yes, he lightens the box. Yes, he helps identify the coverage for Allen. Those alone are great contributions, but there's one more thing:

The Bills were in 21 personnel the vast majority of the time yesterday. Just like the Patriots, the Bills are now coming out in just about the same personnel grouping every single play. Then, depending on the defensive look, they either line up in an old fashioned pro set (I form, Strong, Weak, etc) or flex everyone out into some sort of spread of bunch grouping. This puts the opposition in a real bind. If they stay in base defense, the Bills flex to a passing formation. Now you potentially have Cole Beasley and/or Dawson Knox matched up against a linebacker. You probably have John Brown one-on-one against a corner with no help. Alternately, if the defense decides to go to nickel or dime personnel, the Bills can line up in the standard pro sets and run the balls against the lighter defensive personnel.

Basically, the gameplan by the Bills is to keep the same offensive personnel on the field for most of the game and allow the opposing defense to choose which way you're going to attack them. The Pats have been doing this for a few years now, to great effect. Emulating one of the consistently excellent offenses in the modern NFL is not a BAD thing!

As it relates to DiMarco: For those that say "well, his spot should be taken by a second running back or a tight end or something", well...unless said running back or tight end is as good at playing fullback as DiMarco, that doesn't exactly work. I understand those who say that he should not be catching passes, but both times I saw a pass go his way yesterday, he caught it for several yards. As an offense, you never go broke if you're making a profit. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Quit yer bitchin!

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7 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I am one of the those "people" who wants him cut or questioned why wasn't he. All I'm saying is that he is a waste of a roster spot when you can utilize Lee Smith/Sweeney/Croom/Knox to do the same things with more agility 

 

 

But you can’t utilize them to do the same thing.  The TEs are all ok to good in-line blockers, but none of them are the lead blocker on runs that Dimarco is.  The TEs do not read a play out of the backfield the way a RB does and therefore are not as good at leading a RB into a hole.

 

The TEs would be better at splitting out, but the point of the original formation was a power running formation that they could morph into a wide split to get the Jets out of position and allow JA to read the defense and decide on a run or pass option and adjust the formation.  

 

I think you will see similar things in other games using 1 RB, 2TE, and 2WR, but I think early in the game they wanted a few more veterans on the first series hence Dimarco over the 2 rookie TEs.

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It was one of his better games for sure. And he always been versatile. As a FB  he is not that good though but he is a Bills, the coaches like him, good enough for me!

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10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think my point is getting across..  He isn't lined out wide for his receiving ability

 

I assume that he will be blocking downfield on screens and rub routes throughout the season when lined up wide

 

A FB blocking a CB or safety in space is a mismatch

 

yeah i see what they are doing. you run him out in a run package and the d subs in lbers put him outside and it spreads them out

 

 A is hard to disguise a blitz from

 B can give a favorable mismatch

i like what they are doing but the d was leaving him uncovered cause hes not really a threat to do alot of damage. but if he can catch it consistantly ill take the 4 yrd gain i guess. not sure if he was clogging things up on rubs

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Frankly, I don't like the trade off. I know he is in the game to make the Jets play a base run defense, and that is fine. Then they split him out and the Jets are forced to react accordingly. But it's not worth it. I would rather have Foster  or Zay in there instead of the fullback even if the Jets have an extra DB instead of LB in there on defense. DiMarco is no threat. He does not have great hands despite some people accusing him of it. He's never been a threat. People think he can be a receiver because he had a couple catches four years ago in a playoff game in a season where he had about four catches total. If anything his presence as a receiver clogs up the passing game because of the extra backer and his lack of speed. The team has much better chance of making yardage with a threat out there and a CB for the Jets or opponent.

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2 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

yeah i see what they are doing. you run him out in a run package and the d subs in lbers put him outside and it spreads them out

 

 A is hard to disguise a blitz from

 B can give a favorable mismatch

i like what they are doing but the d was leaving him uncovered cause hes not really a threat to do alot of damage. but if he can catch it consistantly ill take the 4 yrd gain i guess. not sure if he was clogging things up on rubs

We will see how much it really opens up things throughout a season

 

Devlin is used all over the Patriots formations and in different roles.

 

He will never be a receiving threat like a Kyle Jusczyk but that doesn't mean he can't be dependable when called on... Allen obviously has faith in him

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No, no, no.  I have heard it stated emphatically on this forum that DiMarco is a waste of a roster spot and provides no useful purpose.

 

Armchair QBs can’t possibly be wrong, right?  The Bills’ coaches must be complete idiots, right?  Who’s with me?  I’ve got a bunch of pitchforks and torches loaded up and ready to march upon OBD!!!

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Just now, eball said:

No, no, no.  I have heard it stated emphatically on this forum that DiMarco is a waste of a roster spot and provides no useful purpose.

 

Armchair QBs can’t possibly be wrong, right?  The Bills’ coaches must be complete idiots, right?  Who’s with me?  I’ve got a bunch of pitchforks and torches loaded up and ready to march upon OBD!!!

They were held scoreless with him, no? Maybe not. ;)

 

I think they should keep him. And play him a little. But the opening drive and splitting him out is worthless.

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Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

They were held scoreless with him, no? Maybe not. ;)

 

I think they should keep him. And play him a little. But the opening drive and splitting him out is worthless.

 

The opening drive looked pretty good until Josh fumbled.

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