Batman1876 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I see lots of comments about how Josh should have had more INt's but I thought he threw the ball on the one that was called back after the defensive holding flag came out. Can anyone confirm or refute that for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Would be nice if he did. Cause he seemed pretty confident about that flag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, Batman1876 said: I see lots of comments about how Josh should have had more INt's but I thought he threw the ball on the one that was called back after the defensive holding flag came out. Can anyone confirm or refute that for me? The Flag was thrown early, so I would anticipate Josh knew he had a Free play on that throw... However I still do not like the decision because those flags in the secondary can get picked up, unlike a offside free play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Well for defensive holding it has to happen before the pass... So I'm sure he saw the holding and took the free play risk and see if he could squeeze one in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfball323 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 this is a very optimistic thread... I don't think he saw it and made a bad read/decision. All 22 will be telling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, golfball323 said: this is a very optimistic thread... I don't think he saw it and made a bad read/decision. All 22 will be telling Reason I think h did is Beasley was the First read, (that is what the hold was on) and when he pulled the ball back down I think that is when he saw the flag and decided to try and get a bigger play. Could be optimistic there but watching that play a couple times it looked to me he saw the flag on Beasley his initial read. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 He looked off the safety, so I'm not sure he saw the flag on the play. I think he was intending on hitting JB with Beasley as a 2nd option. Perhaps too optimistic there, but I think it was just a great play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: The Flag was thrown early, so I would anticipate Josh knew he had a Free play on that throw... However I still do not like the decision because those flags in the secondary can get picked up, unlike a offside free play. This. Even if he knew it was a free play, ref'ing in the NFL is too quirky and inconsistent to rely upon it. It's also a habit thing. He needs to build a habit to not take those chances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 If he knew he had a free play I LOVE the decision. We see elite QBs do this against us all the time (usually Offside) but I can't remember the last time I saw a Bills QB take advantage. The likelihood of the flag being picked up goes down tenfold when not playing the Pats*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Smoke said it was designed to go over the top, but JA threw it short because the DB took away the over the top. I'm going with John "SmokeY" Brown on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: The Flag was thrown early, so I would anticipate Josh knew he had a Free play on that throw... However I still do not like the decision because those flags in the secondary can get picked up, unlike a offside free play. and they can be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Smoke said it was designed to go over the top, but JA threw it short because the DB took away the over the top. I'm going with John "SmokeY" Brown on this one. You're talking about the Brown TD. We're talking about the play that was almost picked on the opposite side of the field. Different play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Regardless if he knew it was a penalty or not I just hope he understands the mistake and learns from it. You don't get too many free learning lessons in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Watching live, I got the definite impression he was taking the free play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're talking about the Brown TD. We're talking about the play that was almost picked on the opposite side of the field. Different play. <Emily Litella> Oh, well, that's very different.......Never mind.</Emily Litella> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 He had the TE early but as mentioned looked like he wanted one of the middle hook routes Ge got moved off his spot by the rush and picked up the TE late. I just like that he is reading progressions and looking to make plays down field this game was dominated by the Bills imo with the ball bouncing the Jets way for three quarters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I was wondering the same thing.....you see vet savvy qbs do this...when they know they have a free play they take a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalonian Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) The flag was thrown after JA released the pass. The pass is intercepted before the flag hits the ground. So JA did not know there was a penalty when he threw the pass. Edited September 9, 2019 by buffalonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I would like to hear Josh talk about the play. It almost felt like he wanted to throw to know but switched to brown last second when he saw the hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Did Han shoot first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Azucho98 said: and they can be challenged. Well it depends on what they call it. Pass Interference can be challenged, but not defensive holding or illegal contact. It can only be PI if there’s a pass being interfered with. But if the flag came out and the ball is still in the QB’s hands, then it’s NOT pass interference, and thus not reviewable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Hard to tell, but that was my guess, because Josh seemed to be pointing at the Jets' side of the field before the play even finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 No. Even if he saw the flag it could've been an offensive penalty for all we knew at the time. This wasn't a "free play" with the defense jumping Offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Batman1876 said: I see lots of comments about how Josh should have had more INt's but I thought he threw the ball on the one that was called back after the defensive holding flag came out. Can anyone confirm or refute that for me? I re-watched the game and thought the same thing. The ref did say "before the throw, defensive holding". So you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: If he knew he had a free play I LOVE the decision. We see elite QBs do this against us all the time (usually Offside) but I can't remember the last time I saw a Bills QB take advantage. Allen did it several times last year off the hard count. I think there was one in preseason where he drew the offside with the hard count and one of the OL stood up touched the guy to kill the play and he looked kinda miffed about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 All-22 is out there. Unless there is another flag I don't see, there is no chance Josh took it into account, since that flag was thrown when ball was already in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Flag is in the air after the interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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