SJDK Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) The only one I saw that was blatant was the end of the first half when Singletary ran OB and the clock continued to run down to 2:00. Clock only stops on OB plays in last 5 mins of each half. It is restarted when the ball is spotted for play. EDIT: I was wrong, it's only last two minutes of 1st half. Edited September 9, 2019 by Freddie's Dead 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 The Refs do that all the time in the NFL. The call the tackle in bounds even though the runner or receiver is not stopped until he is OB. It's a glitch that goes on all the time. IMO, they are advised to call it that way to keep the games and clock moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 There were many in the fourth quarter that I picked up and I don’t think everything was on the up and up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: The only one I saw that was blatant was the end of the first half when Singletary ran OB and the clock continued to run down to 2:00. Clock only stops on OB plays in last 5 mins of each half. It is restarted when the ball is spotted for play. 4 minutes ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, SJDK said: There were many in the fourth quarter that I picked up and I don’t think everything was on the up and up I've got the game on DVR and I'll rewatch. Incomplete pass or timeout always stops the clock until the next snap. OB before 5:00, clock is started after ball is spotted. I will review and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 Awesome, thanks! I’m in California and watch at BWW. I was noticing out of bounds plays mostly in 4th quarter when we were down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. This is actually how it normally is...I’m not sure what the rule are for clock stoppage, but I’ve noticed it usually keeps running unless there is only limited time remaining or it’s an incomplete pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: This is actually how it normally is...I’m not sure what the rule are for clock stoppage, but I’ve noticed it usually keeps running unless there is only limited time remaining or it’s an incomplete pass. It's supposed to be the clock is stopped OB and then as soon as it is set is it now 25. As they do it it is 40 from the end of the play. But the Refs very often call plays down in bounds when they are not really down, and then keep it running in the 40 scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Clock is restarted in first half until 2 min warning. Its 5 min in 4th quarter. Clock runs if players forward progress is stopped in bounds. Not fair to the defense to stop a guy only to have him go back a step and get out of bounds. I didn't see any errors. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeseburger_in_paradise Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I noticed, and was wondering if I'd missed a rule change. Our coaches weren't complaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. The rule is that the clock only stops within the last 5 minutes of each half on out of bounds plays. Otherwise it stos briefly until the ball is spotted then continues running. Its been like this for several years now at least. So this actually has more to do with you not knowing the rules than the refs. Edited September 8, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: The rule is that the clock only stops within the last 5 minutes of each half on out of bounds plays. Otherwise it stos briefly until the ball is spotted then continues running. Its been like this for several years now at least. So this actually has more to do with you not knowing the rules than the refs. There was a play in the fourth quarter where the Jet was clearly tackled out of bounds, and the officials called the tackle in bounds and allowed it to run as a 40 second play. But it should have been a tackle OB. They do it often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, matter2003 said: The rule is that the clock only stops within the last 5 minutes of each half on out of bounds plays. Otherwise it stos briefly until the ball is spotted then continues running. Its been like this for several years now at least. It is 2 minutes in the first half. Edited September 8, 2019 by class_of_2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Hmmm... Edited September 8, 2019 by mykidsdad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 If contact starts inbound, they consider it an in bounds play, so you need to run out of bound untouched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 As ugly as that game was most of the day, the refs may have just been trying to hasten an end to their misery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhill Mike Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: So this actually has more to do with you not knowing the rules than the refs. Count me in that group as well then... I still thought it was only stopped inside two minutes. Somehow, I haven't noticed the change. Do we still not know what a catch is? That's my biggest concern... it used to be so easy. I wish the league would stop making rule changes each year based on how they thought the playoffs should have turned out the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. The ref can decide if it was a run out or a push out starting in-bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sandhill Mike said: Count me in that group as well then... I still thought it was only stopped inside two minutes. Somehow, I haven't noticed the change. Do we still not know what a catch is? That's my biggest concern... it used to be so easy. I wish the league would stop making rule changes each year based on how they thought the playoffs should have turned out the year before. They havent changed this rule for probably a decade. 2min in the first half, 5 min in the second half, if forward progress stopped clock runs. Refs were good today for the most part other than missing illegal man downfield on the called back Jets TD. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: They havent changed this rule for probably a decade. 2min in the first half, 5 min in the second half, if forward progress stopped clock runs. Refs were good today for the most part other than missing illegal man downfield on the called back Jets TD. The safety was an awful call. He was clearly across the goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Refs think they can do what they want and they do. Should be the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: If contact starts inbound, they consider it an in bounds play, so you need to run out of bound untouched. So all the defense has to do is briefly touch the offensive player with a single finger on his way out of bounds to keep the clock running? Edited September 8, 2019 by class_of_2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, class_of_2012 said: So all the defense has to do is touch the offensive player with a single finger on his way out of bounds to keep the clock running? That is the way they call it a lot of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I noticed it in both halves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, class_of_2012 said: So all the defense has to do is touch the offensive player with a single finger on his way out of bounds to keep the clock running? Someone check me, but i think if the "tackle" starts, then... so, I think if they consider the contact is the beginning of the tackle... so if a finger which leads to a likely tackle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 As per the rules..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Cheeseburger_in_paradise said: I noticed, and was wondering if I'd missed a rule change. Our coaches weren't complaining. The coaches are all in on it....naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Someone check me, but i think if the "tackle" starts, then... so, I think if they consider the contact is the beginning of the tackle... so if a finger which leads to a likely tackle. No it's about forward progress. Once it is stopped the defense is not punished by the guy stepping out of bounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. Yes, happened many times, especially in fourth quarter. Not a player was touched, going OOB and the clock continued. I thought maybe there was some new rule. 7 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: No it's about forward progress. Once it is stopped the defense is not punished by the guy stepping out of bounds. BS, there was no forward progress. Clock was stopped by phantom touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Noticed it a few times and mentioned it the GameDay threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: I've got the game on DVR and I'll rewatch. Incomplete pass or timeout always stops the clock until the next snap. OB before 5:00, clock is started after ball is spotted. I will review and report back. It was blatant. Clocked was usually stopped for 2-3 seconds on OB plays. I only focused on Bills' plays, don't know if it happened on Jets' drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: They haven't changed this rule for probably a decade. 2min in the first half, 5 min in the second half, if forward progress stopped clock runs. This is 100% correct afaik. And it's been that way for at least 15 years. I know because they even programmed it into Madden 2005 (best Madden ever). The game clock still runs when a player is pushed out of bounds for the majority of the game. I think in Madden the cutoff didn't start until the 4min mark, but 5 minutes is probably correct IRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 If I recall, it was in the 4th quarter. We went out of bonds with 5:03 on the clock. The clock stopped for the refs set the ball, once the ball was set, the clock continued to run (as it should) down to 5:00 and continued to run into 4min and change before the Bills snapped the ball. I thought the clock would have stopped at 5min in this scenario, but I guess not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jobot said: If I recall, it was in the 4th quarter. We went out of bonds with 5:03 on the clock. The clock stopped for the refs set the ball, once the ball was set, the clock continued to run (as it should) down to 5:00 and continued to run into 4min and change before the Bills snapped the ball. I thought the clock would have stopped at 5min in this scenario, but I guess not? Don't think so. The cutoff refers to plays after the cutoff, not before it. It would be weird to have the game clock ticking down to 5:00 and then stop without also stopping the play clock (like they do for the 2 minute warning). Edited September 9, 2019 by Capco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 16 hours ago, Cheeseburger_in_paradise said: I noticed, and was wondering if I'd missed a rule change. Our coaches weren't complaining. my thought exactly. On the 3 and 4 QB sweep where allen picked up the first and ran out of bounds the clock did not stop. That was the play that caught my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 16 hours ago, SJDK said: Did anyone else notice how bad the refs were at stopping the clock on out of bounds plays in the second half? Something was going on there that the league will look at. Especially the fourth quarter. I noticed it multiple times. I was amazed and how obvious it was and how often it happened. It even happened when guys went out of bounds untouched. Very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Clock is restarted in first half until 2 min warning. Its 5 min in 4th quarter. Clock runs if players forward progress is stopped in bounds. Not fair to the defense to stop a guy only to have him go back a step and get out of bounds. I didn't see any errors. That's the one people tend to forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: The only one I saw that was blatant was the end of the first half when Singletary ran OB and the clock continued to run down to 2:00. Clock only stops on OB plays in last 5 mins of each half. It is restarted when the ball is spotted for play. OK, I was wrong on the rule, it's the last 2 minutes of the first half and last 5 minutes of the 2nd half. In the 2nd QTR, on Singletary's pass catch where he ran out of bounds, the clock was stopped for 7 seconds, then restarted when the ball was spotted for play, at which point the game clock was 2:27 and the play clock was at :33. The Bills dicked around and didn't get a play off in 27 seconds before the 2-minute warning. They broke the huddle at 2:11 and let the clock trickle down. In the 4th QTR, Motor is tackled for a loss on a bad swing pass at 3:44. He gets OB, but was moving backwards, so the clock does not stop. After a false start on the Bills, Motor gets OB on a flat pass, clock stops at 3:07. Next play, Smoke for the TD. I don't see any other clock shenanigans. Thanks for making me do this. I got to slo-mo Levi's game-saving PD. No PI, just a heads up play after being beaten like a rented step-mule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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