NewEra Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: But are they really a Security Blanket? They may know the offence but that won't help if they aren't good enough to run it. If Allen or Barkley went down they would sign someone off the street. Coaching won't carry them through games if the QB sucks. Nate Peterman knew the offence and ran it with the same coaches and they couldn't carry the team through a few games. PS QBs are guys that they don't think are ready for the league but have tools they believe could be good if they can coach them up. It’s a security blanket in case there aren’t any other QBs they are interested. Or if that qB got hurt, he’d be the backup. And to run the scout team. And what if he improves and shows that he might be able to be the 3rd QB? My rationale is: There are 10 practice squad spots. Many of the PS players will never see the field in a regular season game. Ever. If a team only carries 2 QBs on the roster, why would you not allocate one of those 10 spots to the most important position in sports? Even if we pick up an experienced street free agent, that QB would be his backup. He would also run the scout team. He’s not useless. That player has a role on the team imo. Those that say “it doesn’t matter, the season is over” are wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't we have sole rights to him if he's unclaimed? Not sure to be honest. Only the teams participating in the Pathway Program get a player exemption but it doesn’t say whether another team can just put them on their own PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: Not sure to be honest. Only the teams participating in the Pathway Program get a player exemption but it doesn’t say whether another team can just put them on their own PS. I think they may be able to put him on their regular PS, but wouldn't get the '11th man' exception like the Bills can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Is losing Ray-Ray really that much of a loss though? He has yet to really show that he has the ability to do anything on the field yet Not a ray ray fan at all . I'm glad someone picked him up, Now we can put easly on the PS . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Looks like the Bills can sign Wade, if he wants to sign with them I’d sign him to the regular PS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: Time for a new name... Nope. Shady has a meaning other than McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Nope. Shady has a meaning other than McCoy. You can't be trusted? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Say more, please He is good. The Bills like him. He has position flex. He sticks on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I am starting to wonder if they aren’t going to make a move there not because Bororquez is good but because we played Punter roulette last year and it also seemed to affect Hauschka kicking FGs. At least this way Hauschka can get comfortable . Blowing a hold for a field goal was actually the very worst thing that Bororquez did last year. Got himself hurt on the play as well... if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Panthers signed Ray Ray Ray. Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. I think his best assett was kick returns and they brought in last years best at that this offseason (don't recall if they kept him around though....) Everytime I thought of him I thought he was this front offices version of Roscoe Parrish Edited September 1, 2019 by apuszczalowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. Very glad they kept McKenzie over him. That was a no brainer. But I think as of now I would prefer him on the PS over Easley, in case Beasley or McKenzie go down. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Jamie Mueller said: Sure... but I think that everyone is missing the point. You don't put a quarterback on the practice roster with a plan to have him play for you this year. If injuries happen and you needed another QB on the active roster, you'd probably still sign someone from the street (like we did last year with both Barkley and Anderson). If you like a young prospect well enough, it just gives you the opportunity to work with the guy for the next 12 months... get him ready for training camp next year. Mind you... to go to all that trouble, you'd have to really see something special in that young quarterback... like Gruden sees in Peterman. As well said as your screen name blocked. Check this out at about the 4 minute mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Sorry if asked b4 but why didn't Shady have to go through waivers? Is it a CBA thing for years in league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: It’s a security blanket in case there aren’t any other QBs they are interested. Or if that qB got hurt, he’d be the backup. And to run the scout team. And what if he improves and shows that he might be able to be the 3rd QB? My rationale is: There are 10 practice squad spots. Many of the PS players will never see the field in a regular season game. Ever. If a team only carries 2 QBs on the roster, why would you not allocate one of those 10 spots to the most important position in sports? Even if we pick up an experienced street free agent, that QB would be his backup. He would also run the scout team. He’s not useless. That player has a role on the team imo. Those that say “it doesn’t matter, the season is over” are wrong. The PS seems to be used differntly depending on positions A PS QB is someone the team feels needs work but is not someone they want to see the field for a while WR's, RBs, Linemen, they seem to be guys that teams liked but weren't good enough to make the 53 right away and they are being held on the team as a potential fill in later in the year after an injury. When was the last time a team brought in a PS QB to fill in when their starter went down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Colts took Ryan Lewis. Happy for him and hope he sticks. He’s a helluvan athlete and a great kid by all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, Mike in Horseheads said: Sorry if asked b4 but why didn't Shady have to go through waivers? Is it a CBA thing for years in league? His age, I believe you have to be on Waivers if you have less then 4 years experience in the league. Over that, your a FA right away 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: As well said as your screen name blocked. Check this out at about the 4 minute mark: I have a game worn jersey of his and its just littered w repairs and marks. Dude was a beast! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Sorry if asked b4 but why didn't Shady have to go through waivers? Is it a CBA thing for years in league? If you have four or more years in the league you do not have to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlutieFlake7 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 LB Hall to our PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. They released Torrey Smith to keep McCloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, FlutieFlake7 said: LB Hall to our PS We did something?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Thanks Guys, kinda figured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The PS seems to be used differntly depending on positions A PS QB is someone the team feels needs work but is not someone they want to see the field for a while WR's, RBs, Linemen, they seem to be guys that teams liked but weren't good enough to make the 53 right away and they are being held on the team as a potential fill in later in the year after an injury. When was the last time a team brought in a PS QB to fill in when their starter went down? I hear ya. I’m not stating what teams do. I’m stating what I think teams with 2 QBs should do. To answer your last question, I have no idea and don’t really care enough to dig. Most likely never if what you say is true about teams in the past. edit: one google search, didn’t even have to dig. https://www.49ers.com/news/the-49ers-were-desperate-for-a-win-and-nick-mullens-helped-get-them-one Edited September 1, 2019 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jamie Mueller said: Blowing a hold for a field goal was actually the very worst thing that Bororquez did last year. Got himself hurt on the play as well... if I remember correctly. He also fumbled a room service punt snap that cost us 7. Hence why I call him Bodork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. Not sure why everyone is so down on him. Seemed like he showed enough to keep on the PS and see if he pans out in a year with some more development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I think they may be able to put him on their regular PS, but wouldn't get the '11th man' exception like the Bills can Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: They signed 5 players off of waivers which seems incredibly high to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hear ya. I’m not stating what teams do. I’m stating what I think teams with 2 QBs should do. To answer your last question, I have no idea and don’t really care enough to dig. Most likely never if what you say is true about teams in the past. PS QBs also often run opponents plays in practice to help the defense prepare for games etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Not sure why everyone is so down on him. Seemed like he showed enough to keep on the PS and see if he pans out in a year with some more development. Even the Bills apparently wanted him for the PS, but never got the chance since the panthers claimed him for the 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me. I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers? Could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me. It could happen, if the Bills felt as highly about him as the fans, I'm sure they would want him with the exception, but if he is offered a regular PS spot on another team they would make him an offer to not use the exception for him 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers? Could be wrong I don't think anyone really knows, lol I think the exclusive rights only apply to the 11th man exception for the PS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 ..where art thou new punter yet?......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers? Could be wrong I’ve not seen that anywhere. All I’ve seen is only the teams participating in the International Pathways Program get the roster exemption. Which kind of makes sense. If he signs with the Bills through the program he can’t be elevated to the active roster. Why limit a player to only being able to sign with one team if he could possibly be made active on another? If you get what I mean. Wouldn’t be fair to the player. Unless he would prefer to sit and learn, with the Bills. 3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It could happen, if the Bills felt as highly about him as the fans, I'm sure they would want him with the exception, but if he is offered a regular PS spot on another team they would make him an offer to not use the exception for him It’s also up to Wade, if he signs to another teams PS, he might have a chance of being activated to their active roster whereas if he signs to the Bills PS, he’s there all season no matter what. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: I’ve not seen that anywhere. All I’ve seen is only the teams participating in the International Pathways Program get the roster exemption. Which kind of makes sense. If he signs with the Bills through the program he can’t be elevated to the active roster. Why limit a player to only being able to sign with one team if he could possibly be made active on another? If you get what I mean. Wouldn’t be fair to the player. Unless he would prefer to sit and learn, with the Bills. Yeah, you cannot make a player sign with you, him and his agent have to agree with the contract. Even when players are poached off your PS to sign with other teams, that team just makes an offer, and the agent then tells your team and if you want to beat that offer with a better one, AND the player wants to stay with you and not the new team, you can sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Sorry if asked b4 but why didn't Shady have to go through waivers? Is it a CBA thing for years in league? Because he had 4 years accrued NFL service. No waivers, just free agency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Tanner Valejo cut. McD always loved him. Wonder if they go for PS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yeah, you cannot make a player sign with you, him and his agent have to agree with the contract. Even when players are poached off your PS to sign with other teams, that team just makes an offer, and the agent then tells your team and if you want to beat that offer with a better one, AND the player wants to stay with you and not the new team, you can sign him. Yea and Sal C had confirmed as much, the Bills have the option to sign him to their PS as a regular or as their exemption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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