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1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

But are they really a Security Blanket? They may know the offence but that won't help if they aren't good enough to run it.

If Allen or Barkley went down they would sign someone off the street. Coaching won't carry them through games if the QB sucks. Nate Peterman knew the offence and ran it with the same coaches and they couldn't carry the team through a few games.

PS QBs are guys that they don't think are ready for the league but have tools they believe could be good if they can coach them up.

It’s a security blanket in case there aren’t any other QBs they are interested.  Or if that qB got hurt, he’d be the backup.  And to run the scout team.  And what if he improves and shows that he might be able to be the 3rd QB? 

 

My rationale is: There are 10 practice squad spots.  Many of the PS players will never see the field in a regular season game. Ever.  If a team only carries 2 QBs on the roster, why would you not allocate one of those 10 spots to the most important position in sports?  Even if we pick up an experienced street free agent, that QB would be his backup.  He would also run the scout team.  He’s not useless.  That player has a role on the team imo.  Those that say “it doesn’t matter, the season is over” are wrong.  

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1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Not sure to be honest. Only the teams participating in the Pathway Program get a player exemption but it doesn’t say whether another team can just put them on their own PS.

I think they may be able to put him on their regular PS, but wouldn't get the '11th man' exception like the Bills can

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12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

Is losing Ray-Ray really that much of a loss though?

He has yet to really show that he has the ability to do anything on the field yet

Not a ray ray fan at all . I'm glad someone picked him up, Now we can put easly on the PS .

 

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7 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I am starting to wonder if they aren’t going to make a move there not because Bororquez is good but because we played Punter roulette last year and it also seemed to affect Hauschka kicking FGs. At least this way Hauschka can get comfortable .

Blowing a hold for a field goal was actually the very worst thing that Bororquez did last year.  Got himself hurt on the play as well... if I remember correctly.

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. 

I think his best assett was kick returns and they brought in last years best at that this offseason (don't recall if they kept him around though....)

 

Everytime I thought of him I thought he was this front offices version of Roscoe Parrish

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thank god. That experiment needed to end. Wish him the best in his new spot but was never working out here. 

Very glad they kept McKenzie over him. That was a no brainer. But I think as of now I would prefer him on the PS over Easley, in case Beasley or McKenzie go down.

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1 hour ago, Jamie Mueller said:

Sure... but I think that everyone is missing the point.  You don't put a quarterback on the practice roster with a plan to have him play for you this year.  If injuries happen and you needed another QB on the active roster, you'd probably still sign someone from the street (like we did last year with both Barkley and Anderson). If you like a young prospect well enough, it just gives you the opportunity to work with the guy for the next 12 months... get him ready for training camp next year.  Mind you... to go to all that trouble, you'd have to really see something special in that young quarterback... like Gruden sees in Peterman.

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13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s a security blanket in case there aren’t any other QBs they are interested.  Or if that qB got hurt, he’d be the backup.  And to run the scout team.  And what if he improves and shows that he might be able to be the 3rd QB? 

 

My rationale is: There are 10 practice squad spots.  Many of the PS players will never see the field in a regular season game. Ever.  If a team only carries 2 QBs on the roster, why would you not allocate one of those 10 spots to the most important position in sports?  Even if we pick up an experienced street free agent, that QB would be his backup.  He would also run the scout team.  He’s not useless.  That player has a role on the team imo.  Those that say “it doesn’t matter, the season is over” are wrong.  

The PS seems to be used differntly depending on positions

A PS QB is someone the team feels needs work but is not someone they want to see the field for a while

WR's, RBs, Linemen, they seem to be guys that teams liked but weren't good enough to make the 53 right away and they are being held on the team as a potential fill in later in the year after an injury.

When was the last time a team brought in a PS QB to fill in when their starter went down?

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13 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

The PS seems to be used differntly depending on positions

A PS QB is someone the team feels needs work but is not someone they want to see the field for a while

WR's, RBs, Linemen, they seem to be guys that teams liked but weren't good enough to make the 53 right away and they are being held on the team as a potential fill in later in the year after an injury.

When was the last time a team brought in a PS QB to fill in when their starter went down?

I hear ya.  I’m not stating what teams do.  I’m stating what I think teams with 2 QBs should do. 

 

To answer your last question, I have no idea and don’t really care enough to dig.  Most likely never if what you say is true about teams in the past.

 

edit:  one google search, didn’t even have to dig.  https://www.49ers.com/news/the-49ers-were-desperate-for-a-win-and-nick-mullens-helped-get-them-one

 

 

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23 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I think they may be able to put him on their regular PS, but wouldn't get the '11th man' exception like the Bills can

 

Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me.

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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hear ya.  I’m not stating what teams do.  I’m stating what I think teams with 2 QBs should do. 

 

To answer your last question, I have no idea and don’t really care enough to dig.  Most likely never if what you say is true about teams in the past.

PS QBs also often run opponents plays in practice to help the defense prepare for games etc.

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2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

Not sure why everyone is so down on him. Seemed like he showed enough to keep on the PS and see if he pans out in a year with some more development. 

 

Even the Bills apparently wanted him for the PS, but never got the chance since the panthers claimed him for the 53.

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2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me.

I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers?  Could be wrong

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3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea that’s what it looks like. I don’t think the Bills have exclusive rights to him though. Would be weird if he signed to another teams PS but wouldn’t surprise me.

It could happen, if the Bills felt as highly about him as the fans, I'm sure they would want him with the exception, but if he is offered a regular PS spot on another team they would make him an offer to not use the exception for him

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers?  Could be wrong

I don't think anyone really knows, lol

I think the exclusive rights only apply to the 11th man exception for the PS

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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I thought we had exclusive rights once he passes waivers?  Could be wrong

 

I’ve not seen that anywhere. All I’ve seen is only the teams participating in the International Pathways Program get the roster exemption.

 

Which kind of makes sense. If he signs with the Bills through the program he can’t be elevated to the active roster. Why limit a player to only being able to sign with one team if he could possibly be made active on another? If you get what I mean. Wouldn’t be fair to the player. Unless he would prefer to sit and learn, with the Bills.

3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

It could happen, if the Bills felt as highly about him as the fans, I'm sure they would want him with the exception, but if he is offered a regular PS spot on another team they would make him an offer to not use the exception for him

 

It’s also up to Wade, if he signs to another teams PS, he might have a chance of being activated to their active roster whereas if he signs to the Bills PS, he’s there all season no matter what.

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Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I’ve not seen that anywhere. All I’ve seen is only the teams participating in the International Pathways Program get the roster exemption.

 

Which kind of makes sense. If he signs with the Bills through the program he can’t be elevated to the active roster. Why limit a player to only being able to sign with one team if he could possibly be made active on another? If you get what I mean. Wouldn’t be fair to the player. Unless he would prefer to sit and learn, with the Bills.

Yeah, you cannot make a player sign with you, him and his agent have to agree with the contract. Even when players are poached off your PS to sign with other teams, that team just makes an offer, and the agent then tells your team and if you want to beat that offer with a better one, AND the player wants to stay with you and not the new team, you can sign him.

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yeah, you cannot make a player sign with you, him and his agent have to agree with the contract. Even when players are poached off your PS to sign with other teams, that team just makes an offer, and the agent then tells your team and if you want to beat that offer with a better one, AND the player wants to stay with you and not the new team, you can sign him.

 

Yea and Sal C had confirmed as much, the Bills have the option to sign him to their PS as a regular or as their exemption.

 

 

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