Name 5 teams better then the Buffalo Bills

[Putin]

3 hours ago, BritBill said:

I like this team but I can think of 5 better in the AFC alone pretty quickly.

How quickly ?? 

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Realistically, this squad is a top 15 on the field and a top 25 on paper. As much as we love the team,  there are very few, if any, nfl analysts that would not consider the Bills as over-achieving if they reached further than a wild card game in the playoffs. The McBean regime has assembled a good group, but one without any prime-of-their-career game changers that have historically dominated the league at the top level. 

 

That "game changer" could eventually be Oliver, or Edmunds, or if we are really lucky, Allen.  Although I agree that as of right now, we don't really have an elite talent at a game changing position.  

 

White may be elite, but CB isn't really a game changing position unless you are Deion Sanders.  

[3rdnlng]

49 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Common man, you can't be serious.

You're messing with my self of steam.

[WhoTom]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You're messing with my self of steam.

 

Don't be such a pre-Madonna.

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

15 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

^^^This. Don’t forget the Jets just came through an offseason of rank dysfunction, firing their GM right after they gave him the keys to the kingdom in running the draft and finishing up FA! Who does that and expects to be world beaters the same year? Their line is expected to be terrible, and their coach who apparently won a power struggle, never wanted the biggest FA splash that they got, in Bell. Why shouldn’t the Jets be on a “prove it” basis even more so than the Bills? They are the ones with a 1st yr HC who was just fired within the same division (how do those types of hires usually go, *cough* sexy Rexy) 1st yr GM and questions along their roster to boot. C’mon man! We should be considered favorites to sweep them imho, and be in a class of better teams above them. 

Their line is not good. They have no secondary to speak of. They have a second year QB, who, outside of a stellar opening day performance, was worse than Josh Allen. And, its the first year in a new system. 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Their line is not good. They have no secondary to speak of. They have a second year QB, who, outside of a stellar opening day performance, was worse than Josh Allen. And, its the first year in a new system. 

 

so 50-0 win for the Bills at the Jets?

 

why bother even putting their helmets on?

 

second or third year watching the NFL and not quite grasping those road game hitches and hiccups that never go away?

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

so 50-0 win for the Bills at the Jets?

 

why bother even putting their helmets on?

 

second or third year watching the NFL and not quite grasping those road game hitches and hiccups that never go away?

 

 

 

I will never understand this response. I honestly cannot understand why the act of analyzing another team is worthy of criticism.  It is literally what gamblers do when setting their bets. 

 

Of course they need to play the games, but at the outset, it looks like the Jets are really bad. It is a game the Bills should be favored in. I cannot understand why they aren't, and it is definitely a game I will be betting.  

[BullBuchanan]

Last I checked, there were 23 of them.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I definitely think we will be a team that the top teams don’t want to play. 

 

I think our defense is going to be very good and the offense should be much improved. 

 

If Allen takes that next step in development I think this team should be able to hang with anyone. 

[H2o]

2 hours ago, Billzfan23 said:

How can you not have the Bears on this list.  They were 12-4 and will probably win the same number (if not more) games this year.

Because I believe they will take a step back. They won't be 5-1 in their division this year, they don't play the NFC West, and their schedule as a whole this year is a lot tougher compared to last. I think they end up 9-7. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I will never understand this response. I honestly cannot understand why the act of analyzing another team is worthy of criticism.  It is literally what gamblers do when setting their bets. 

 

Of course they need to play the games, but at the outset, it looks like the Jets are really bad. It is a game the Bills should be favored in. I cannot understand why they aren't, and it is definitely a game I will be betting.  

Why do you think the Jets are really bad? What makes them any worse than our guys at this point?

The have a QB that most (outside of Buffalo) looks better than ours right now, they signed CJ Mosely (who is an absolute beast) and they have Leveon Bell?

They have every reason to think their D should be int he same tier as ours

Their WR group is probably close to equal or a little under

Their O-line has a little more proven talent, but call it a wash

Their QB probably is probably a small step ahead of ours

Their RB situation is way better than ours

 

I think the betting line of having this game be an even spread (including home field) is exactly where it should be right now. 

[That's No Moon]

Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Saints, Colts w/Luck, Chargers, Eagles w/Wentz, Cowboys w/Dak & Zeke

[MAGA-Man]

My list:

 

Ravens

Panthers

Bears

Cowboys

Packers

Chiefs

Chargers

Rams

Patriots

Saints

Eagles

Steelers

Seahawks

[Reed83HOF]

4 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams  CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5.

 

How this post was created:

 

[CarpetCrawler]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys, Texans, Chargers, Saints, Eagles. 

 

We we are getting closer, but we’re not quite there boys. 

Good list but I disagree about the middle 3 also.

The Texans, are pumped up every year and disappoint.

The Cowboys season depends too much on what Zeke does, and Prescott is far from certain, he could be one of the best, could be one of the worst...we don't know.

The Steelers have a year older Big Ben and lost AB and their starting TE. Is Conner really that good? The OL made him and it's still there so maybe.

 

Even the Chargers are just an IF depending on holdouts and injuries.

[Rigotz]

This year's Bills are the single greatest football team of all time.

[RyanC883]

 

Would likely beat us twice: 

KC.  The offense can put up points, and the D is much improved.  

NO.  Same as KC.  In fact, NO may be the best team in the NFL right now.  

 

 

Close, but not in list: 

Indy:    Very close to top list.  Great balanced team, but not sure their offense is good enough to put enough points up on our D.  See this as a low-scoring game and we would likely split.  

Pats: don't think they win twice.  Will find out this year.  TB is older, and Oliver is there for the pressure. I think we can score on their D.  

Steelers:  Good offense, but I like our D, and their D is not elite anymore.  

Browns: paper team right now.  

 

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

49 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Why do you think the Jets are really bad? What makes them any worse than our guys at this point?

The have a QB that most (outside of Buffalo) looks better than ours right now, they signed CJ Mosely (who is an absolute beast) and they have Leveon Bell?

They have every reason to think their D should be int he same tier as ours

Their WR group is probably close to equal or a little under

Their O-line has a little more proven talent, but call it a wash

Their QB probably is probably a small step ahead of ours

Their RB situation is way better than ours

 

I think the betting line of having this game be an even spread (including home field) is exactly where it should be right now. 

 

They have a notoriously bad secondary (outside of adams, who is just OK) and just lost a starting LB. Mosley is a two down linebacker. This is true in the context of the NFLs passing league. I cannot imagine a scenario where their defense is in the same tier as ours, the second DVOA defense in the league. 

 

Their O-Line is a mess. They brought in a retired Center to start for them. By any measure, they were as bad if not worse than the Bills last year.  This year, we have brought a number of vets, including one of the top Centers in the league. 

 

QB and WR are a wash. 

 

Bell is an amazing back, but hasn't played in a full year, is on the verge of being out of his prime, and playing behind a substantially worse OL than he had at PItt.  I don't care how good Bell is, with that line, he will not be the same player. 

 

I cant wait to bet the Bills +3. Edit: I guess it is 1.5 now.  

Edited August 21, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

They have a notoriously bad secondary (outside of adams, who is just OK) and just lost a starting LB. Mosley is a two down linebacker. This is true in the context of the NFLs passing league. I cannot imagine a scenario where their defense is in the same tier as ours, the second DVOA defense in the league. 

 

Their O-Line is a mess. They brought in a retired Center to start for them. By any measure, they were as bad if not worse than the Bills last year.  This year, we have brought a number of vets, including one of the top Centers in the league. 

 

QB and WR are a wash. 

 

Bell is an amazing back, but hasn't played in a full year, is on the verge of being out of his prime, and playing behind a substantially worse OL than he had at PItt.  I don't care how good Bell is, with that line, he will not be the same player. 

 

I cant wait to bet the Bills -3. 

I don't disagree with any of that. I think I'm just a little more bullish on them and a bit more conservative on us.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I don't disagree with any of that. I think I'm just a little more bullish on them and a bit more conservative on us.

 

I am not used to this response on an internet message board. What do I do now? 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I am not used to this response on an internet message board. What do I do now? 

We bury it deep down, go our separate ways and pretend this never happened.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

We bury it deep down, go our separate ways and pretend this never happened.

Wait. Are you Irish too? 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Wait. Are you Irish too? 

Depends on the company I'm keeping. My ancestors liked to pass it around it seems.

[stevewin]

I don't see Alabama in the original list? 

[Dablitzkrieg]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

 

 

 

 

I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams  CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5.

 

Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list

 

 

 

Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons
Baltimore Ravens
Carolina Panthers
Chicago Bears
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Dallas Cowboys
Denver Broncos
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Kansas City Chiefs
Los Angeles Chargers
Los Angeles Rams
Miami Dolphins
Minnesota Vikings
New England Patriots
New Orleans Saints
New York Giants
New York Jets
Oakland Raiders
Philadelphia Eagles
Pittsburgh Steelers
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tennessee Titans
Washington Redskins

 

 

I love your optimism, considering they haven't even finished the preseason and you clearly have no clue about the other teams in the NFL.  Look at the QB's on all 31 of the other teams.  I compare them to what Allen was last year.  That is a good gauge.  That being said, here is the list I have:  

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Chicago Bears
Cleveland Browns
Dallas Cowboys
Detroit Lions (push)
Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Kansas City Chiefs
Los Angeles Chargers
Los Angeles Rams
New England Patriots
New Orleans Saints
New York Jets (push)
Philadelphia Eagles
Pittsburgh Steelers
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

27 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I love your optimism, considering they haven't even finished the preseason and you clearly have no clue about the other teams in the NFL.  Look at the QB's on all 31 of the other teams.  I compare them to what Allen was last year.  That is a good gauge.  That being said, here is the list I have:  

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Chicago Bears
Cleveland Browns
Dallas Cowboys
Detroit Lions (push)
Green Bay Packers
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Kansas City Chiefs
Los Angeles Chargers
Los Angeles Rams
New England Patriots
New Orleans Saints
New York Jets (push)
Philadelphia Eagles
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks

 

You must be kidding with the bolded.

 

 

[Mark80]

6 hours ago, BillsDude said:

 

Take off the middle 3 and we got a deal.

 

I'm taking off the Eagles too.  Who knows what Wentz is going to do.  He didn't look that great last season.

 

And what is with all this Steelers love?  Not seeing it.

 

I got:

Rams

Chiefs

Saints

Chargers (w/ Gordon)

Pats (until Brady proves otherwise they belong here)

 

That's about it.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Mark80

[bbb]

[row_33]

the Steeler love?

 

them seeming to have at the worst a decent team basically every season since 1972....

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/

 

they get benefit of the doubt.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

the Steeler love?

 

them seeming to have at the worst a decent team basically every season since 1972....

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/

 

they get benefit of the doubt.

 

Might as well not even play the games. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You must be kidding with the bolded.

 

 

I'm not.  It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G.  but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm not.  It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G.  but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen

 

QB is clearly important. But you really just ranked teams according to whether they had a better QB.  That is obviously wrong, as illustrated by your inclusion of the Lions, Jets, etc. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm not.  It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G.  but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen

 

 

So strictly on QBs then?

 

Because Carolina's a terrible team outside of Cam. Browns are MASSIVELY over-rated. Watson will likely die this year in Houston,  DETROIT? Come on, let's get serious here. And lastly, and most infamously....the Jets. The Jets whose back 7 on defense may be the worst in the league now that their best LB is out?

 

Can't take any of those choices too seriously.

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[Dablitzkrieg]

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

 

So strictly on QBs then?

 

Because Carolina's a terrible team outside of Cam. Browns are MASSIVELY over-rated. Watson will likely die this year in Houston,  DETROIT? Come on, let's get serious here. And lastly, and most infamously....the Jets. The Jets whose back 7 on defense may be the worst in the league now that their best LB is out?

 

Can't take any of those choices too seriously.

 

I'm talking about QB's, the most important position on the field.

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

 

 

 

 

I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams  CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5.

 

Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list

 

 

 

 

I like the optimistic out look, but this feels to be a stretch.  While I feel Bills can and will surprise this year and be a double digit win team, we still have a lot to prove and a lot of new pieces that need to A) Be healthy and B) Gel on the field...to go along with Allens development (which I am confident in).  

 

On paper going into the season...some teams I think will be tough teams this year are as follows in no particular order:

• Chiefs - Potent offense and looks to have on paper an improved defense.
• Pats - Still there until proven otherwise.  Offense could be quite good this year.
• Broncos - People are over looking this team, but the defense is already very good and could be better and they have a great run game allowing Flacco to manage the offense more than carry it.  
• Bears - A team on the rise, and already fielding the best defense in the league (last year).  Robinson is a year further removed from the injury and Trubisky had a strong 2nd season to go with a new shiny RB in Montgomery to go along with Cohen.
• Steelers - Defense is better, Conner is good and their WR's are still strong.  
• Browns - Ascending team, and on paper, should be quite good.  
• Eagles - This team will go as far as Wentz can go, if he stays healthy they should be pretty good...IF.
• Rams - Still a major SB contender, and probably the favorite in the NFC.  
• Saints - If Brees doesnt slip, should be a lock for playoffs.
• Chargers - Will be a double digit win team and should compete for divisional title in toughest division in the NFL this year
• Ravens - Strong team in my book still and reports are Lamar looks like a much better passer already.
• Texans - Strong contender for the playoffs and could be dangerous if everyone can stay healthy.

You also have some wildcard teams that could be strong too like Panthers with a healthy Cam, Packers with a rebuilt defense, Falcons, and Seahawks.  

 

I am not saying all of those teams will for sure be great...but given the depth of the NFL this year, I can not in any way say the Bills are in the top 5, let alone top 10 right now.  I am very optimistic about them this year and I think we are going to win 10 to 11 games.  But thats also rooted in belief and optimism rather than on field evidence.  Bills absolutely could prove to be a top 5 team this year, but today I just cant put them in the top 5 with a straight face until they show it on the field.

 

Truth is, I believe we WILL win the Jets game, but in reality I would say its probably a 50/50 call right now on who should even be the favorite.  They seem to be an ascending team too and Darnold has also had a strong camp and preseason.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm talking about QB's, the most important position on the field.

 

Then you're off topic.

 

Read the title, and rethink.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys, Texans, Chargers, Saints, Eagles. 

 

We we are getting closer, but we’re not quite there boys. 

I’d pull the Steelers off the better list and add the Browns. We are in a similar place to them but their high end talent is more proven and better than ours (Baker, OBJ, Garrett, Etc...). The Colts, Jags, Steelers, Jets and Vikings can all be considered as well. Each of them has some question marks but those teams could all win 11 games if things went right. I think that I agree with the rest of your list.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

QB is clearly important. But you really just ranked teams according to whether they had a better QB.  That is obviously wrong, as illustrated by your inclusion of the Lions, Jets, etc. 

Do you really think that the Jets and Bills are that far apart?  You could argue that Darnold is a better QB than Allen.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Do you really think that the Jets and Bills are that far apart?  You could argue that Darnold is a better QB than Allen.

 

I'll give you the push on offense. But the defenses are miles apart. 

 

I realize QB is important, but you are literally looking at nothing else.  QBs aren't THAT important. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Then you're off topic.

 

Read the title, and rethink.

 

My point is that you can gauge how good a team is based on the QB they have.  Gauge it, not necessarily define it.  

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

QBs aren't THAT important. 

I strongly disagree.  We can agree to disagree