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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Are they running the right routes?  Are they doing what their assignments are?  Are they getting separation?  That is how you evaluate them. 

 

I would even argue having Tyree throwing to them gives them the opportunity to show their catch Radius as well. 

 

 

On a side note. Tyree is the perfect PS QB to have why?  Getting ready to play a Big Armed QB? You have a Big Armed QB on PS.  Getting ready to play a Mobile QB?  You have that on the PS. 

 

Getting ready to play a timing QB?  You have that on you team as well with Barkley. 

 

He will. In LA with the Chargers as he plays TT off that roster. 

Cardale is NOT pushing Tyrod off the roster, flat out, not happening.  Tyrod is probably the BEST backup in the entire league right now, Cardale is hoping to catch on with somebody.   Believe it or not, a backup matters and if you are a coach, who are you going to put your faith in "we didn't come here to play school" or an accomplished vertern QB who has proven he can win games and not turn the ball over?  

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13 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

And this is true for just about every team in the NFL.  I will never understand the infatuation with the backup QB when it comes to Bills fans.

 

And this thread isn't even about the backup, this is about the backup to the backup.  We signed the wrong guy, what was Beane thinking.  Fire him!

 

Maybe if Allen or Barkley were to get hurt on Friday, two days before the next game, Jackson might get promoted to the 53 for that one week.  But the following Monday they'll very likely be looking for someone with experience.  Derek Anderson will be on speed dial.

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5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Somebody said that the only QB who mattered was Allen, which was a stupid statement.   This year, it's clear that Barkley is the second stringer but last season the Bills went with the wrong QB, and they paid for it in spades.

 

Its not a stupid statement and what happened last year is irrelevant. We have Allen and Barkley, which people are generally happy with. So again, why are we even discussing the 3rd string QB? If Allen sucks or gets hurt then this season is toast.

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3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Cardale is NOT pushing Tyrod off the roster, flat out, not happening.  Tyrod is probably the BEST backup in the entire league right now, Cardale is hoping to catch on with somebody.   Believe it or not, a backup matters and if you are a coach, who are you going to put your faith in "we didn't come here to play school" or an accomplished vertern QB who has proven he can win games and not turn the ball over?  

 

Cardale. There that easy because he has outplayed Tyrod all offseason. 

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On thing is for sure. I did not want the Bills to carry 3 QBs into the season. And with Tyree’s play he pretty much guaranteed that isn’t going to happen. 

 

Now the decision is has he also played himself off the PS??

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

MAybe it’s my bias to watching him play at UB, but I want the Bills to keep him.  What did people expect?  He was super raw coming out.  But In terms of developmental qbs, he’s exactly what you want.  And he fits really well with Allen.  

 

NFL isn't the developmental league..

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20 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Anyone see Cardale Jones play for the Chargers today?  Sometimes crappy QBs get better if you (shocker!!) give them time to develop. That said TJ6 is pretty bad right now.

 

 

I think TJ looks about the same/slightly worse than when Cardale was here airmailing throws all over the place.

 

Now after 3 seasons - Cardale is pushing TT as a back-up and by many reports outplaying him.  I still do not think Cardale will ever get a shot as a starter, but he has a chance to play a bit in this league because of his development time.

 

Jackson is very similar- huge raw talent - same thing we saw with Allen last year.  I have no issues if they want to keep Jackson around - I think even if he is on the practice squad - they would still sign a veteran street FA over promoting Jackson if a 3rd QB is needed.

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On 8/18/2019 at 5:53 PM, Bangarang said:

I honestly don’t understand this obsession with a 3rd string QB. The only QB that matters is Allen. 

If you need to have a 3rd string QB play it really doesnt matter, you will pretty much lose every game.

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1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I think TJ looks about the same/slightly worse than when Cardale was here airmailing throws all over the place.

 

Now after 3 seasons - Cardale is pushing TT as a back-up and by many reports outplaying him.  I still do not think Cardale will ever get a shot as a starter, but he has a chance to play a bit in this league because of his development time.

 

Jackson is very similar- huge raw talent - same thing we saw with Allen last year.  I have no issues if they want to keep Jackson around - I think even if he is on the practice squad - they would still sign a veteran street FA over promoting Jackson if a 3rd QB is needed.

No offense, but Cardale looked far more ready at this point of his career. 

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1 minute ago, Nick the Greek said:

Bring in the Cuse grad. 

 

You’d at least drum up some interest in Syracuse as Dungey played his college ball there. Seems like a good idea to me. 

UB has 7500 more kids at school than SU and is in Buffalo.   Might be why they signed Tyree.

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9 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said:

Bring in the Cuse grad. 

 

You’d at least drum up some interest in Syracuse as Dungey played his college ball there. Seems like a good idea to me. 

 

6 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

UB has 7500 more kids at school than SU and is in Buffalo.   Might be why they signed Tyree.

 

 

I don't think bringing local 3rd string QBs to drum up new fans is a solid business plan..

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1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

UB has 7500 more kids at school than SU and is in Buffalo.   Might be why they signed Tyree.

Buffalo is the local team in Buffalo. They don’t need to sign a local kid to increase interest. The same cannot be said about the Cuse.

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

I don't think bringing local 3rd string QBs to drum up new fans is a solid business plan..

You wouldn’t believe the amount of Syracuse residents that jumped on the Eagles bandwagon when they took McNabb. 

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8 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said:

Buffalo is the local team in Buffalo. They don’t need to sign a local kid to increase interest. The same cannot be said about the Cuse.

You wouldn’t believe the amount of Syracuse residents that jumped on the Eagles bandwagon when they took McNabb. 

 

McNabb was Syracuse's best QB ever in the only modern era where they were nationally relevant and he was drafted #2.

 

Dungey couldn't be picked out of a lineup outside of any bar on Marshall Street right now.....

 

 

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12 hours ago, GG said:

No offense, but Cardale looked far more ready at this point of his career. 

 

Two things -

 

1) Yes - Cardale looked more ready, but he was actually drafted not an UDFA - so he should have been a bit farther along - he was a significantly better prospect.

 

2) As for Cardale Preseason performance - Games 1&2 he was only near 50% completions and threw an Int in both games with no TDs.  He was not miles ahead of TJ.  It was not like he looked like preseason Peterman.

 

The point being he was big, inaccurate, and needed a lot of seasoning just like TJ and now 3 years in he is finally competing for a true back-up role.  That is the same arc that TJ would need if he is ever going to be an NFL QB.  

 

He is not ready in year 1 and may not be ready in year 2 - just to raw at this point to play in the NFL.

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, matter2003 said:

If you need to have a 3rd string QB play it really doesnt matter, you will pretty much lose every game.

 

Essentially, Matt Barkley was our fourth string QB last year. Peterman-Allen-Anderson-Barkley.

 

If Allen/Barkley get hurt, they will poach a free agent QB who can be serviceable. If there’s a practice squad QB, they won’t see the field this year (or likely ever) anyway. Most of these guys are completely interchangeable.

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On 8/18/2019 at 8:16 PM, 1st&ten said:

I think the Bills will keep Jackson thru the preseason & maybe onto to the PS to begin with but if a better option for a young QB comes up they will make a change.

 

I just don't see the point to a developmental QB when you have a 2nd year QB starting.  Especially one who has shown nothing at all so far.

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3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Two things -

 

1) Yes - Cardale looked more ready, but he was actually drafted not an UDFA - so he should have been a bit farther along - he was a significantly better prospect.

 

2) As for Cardale Preseason performance - Games 1&2 he was only near 50% completions and threw an Int in both games with no TDs.  He was not miles ahead of TJ.  It was not like he looked like preseason Peterman.

 

The point being he was big, inaccurate, and needed a lot of seasoning just like TJ and now 3 years in he is finally competing for a true back-up role.  That is the same arc that TJ would need if he is ever going to be an NFL QB.  

 

He is not ready in year 1 and may not be ready in year 2 - just to raw at this point to play in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

Then there's really no comparison between them, other than they're both tall and can throw the ball far.

 

Cardale actually looked better in camp than EJ, while you can't find many QBs who looked worse than Tyree last week.  His only shiny moment came in his running play, giving more ammunition for a possibly TE conversion.  If you need 3 years to see if he can develop into a viable backup, that's 3 wasted years.  

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6 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Wasn't Barkley sitting at home when we got him? Seems crazy cause he can play. IMO Matt Barkley is Josh Rosen's ceiling.

 

He was an injury settlement, then once he could pass a physical he found a job here.  We had like no options, and he signed and started in less than 2 weeks.  

 

He backed up peterman against the bears after signing like what 3 days before? 

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On 8/18/2019 at 10:00 PM, John from Riverside said:

People are always obsessed with the back half of the roster for some reason......

 

If Josh goes down...the season is over.....Matt will win some games but we would not make the playoffs.....

I bet the dolphin fans back in 72 said the same thing

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2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I just don't see the point to a developmental QB when you have a 2nd year QB starting.  Especially one who has shown nothing at all so far.

 

 

Really ?   Flabbergasted on this one. You always develop a QB. 

 

1.) You have a strong need for practice reps, 2 QB's are not enough to run practice where QB 1 and 2 are working on a game plan QB 3 ( the PS QB) is acting the part of the opposing teams qb in situations amongst many other duties as well as growing and learning by doing.

 

2.) You never know how long any player let alone QB is going to be able to play the game. Having depth who is invested into the teams systems is beneficial even if they pick up a QB to play the games if something unfortunate did happen to Allen or Barkley. Tyree is now knowledgeable enough to help.

Injuries happen, and sometimes, not often though, a newly acquired QB doesn't seem to work out. It rarely happens especially to the Bills but its been knows to happen [/sarcasm]

 

4.) Depth. You still hope your 3rd QB  gets better and the investment pays off. If not you cut bait and find another and try try try again

 

5.) You will never sneak a promising QB onto the PS, its for development plyaers. It Tyree was showing strong signs of developing where would you stash him. Meaning if the Bilsl improved and brought in a much better 3rd string QB option that has people really excited how would you keep that player on the practice squad. Knowing the Bills probably don't want 3 active QB's on the roster you have to settle for a Tyree type of project

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2 hours ago, GG said:

 

Then there's really no comparison between them, other than they're both tall and can throw the ball far.

 

Cardale actually looked better in camp than EJ, while you can't find many QBs who looked worse than Tyree last week.  His only shiny moment came in his running play, giving more ammunition for a possibly TE conversion.  If you need 3 years to see if he can develop into a viable backup, that's 3 wasted years.  

 

Again I am not so sure.  Cardale didn’t beat EJ out in the 2016 camp.  It went TT as 1, EJ as 2, and Cardale as 3.  All 3 had a chance to play in the regular season and both EJ and Cardale sucked enough that both were soon gone.

 

The Bills then traded Cardale where he got 2 more years on the Chargers practice squad and is now going against TT for a back-up job.  So Cardale is now 3 years in - was it wasted?  If he beats out TT the Chargers may not think it was wasted.  If he loses out and is cut - then it could be argued as it was wasted.

 

Again I get that Cardale was more prepared than Tyree, but they seem to have a lot more in common than they do differences.  Yes they are both tall and yes both can throw the ball far, but on top of that - both came out and struggled reading defenses, neither was accurate passing the ball with most games being at or below 50% completion rate and more Ints with no TDs.  Both tend to force the ball into windows deep down field that has resulted in said Ints.  Both could have used more time in college learning how to be a QB.  Both have always been the athletes with the biggest arm and incredible athletic ability at every stop up until the NFL.

 

I totally agree that Tyree looked abut as bad as you can look - so I can totally understand if the Bills move on, but I can also understand there is reason to believe if he is a hard worker and is picking things up - that a PS spot is not out of the question.  What it really comes down to is does Daboll and McDermott see any improvement and do they want to give him a spot.  It may also depend on injuries and what kind of makeup they want on the PS.

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32 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Really ?   Flabbergasted on this one. You always develop a QB. 

 

1.) You have a strong need for practice reps, 2 QB's are not enough to run practice where QB 1 and 2 are working on a game plan QB 3 ( the PS QB) is acting the part of the opposing teams qb in situations amongst many other duties as well as growing and learning by doing.

 

2.) You never know how long any player let alone QB is going to be able to play the game. Having depth who is invested into the teams systems is beneficial even if they pick up a QB to play the games if something unfortunate did happen to Allen or Barkley. Tyree is now knowledgeable enough to help.

Injuries happen, and sometimes, not often though, a newly acquired QB doesn't seem to work out. It rarely happens especially to the Bills but its been knows to happen [/sarcasm]

 

4.) Depth. You still hope your 3rd QB  gets better and the investment pays off. If not you cut bait and find another and try try try again

 

5.) You will never sneak a promising QB onto the PS, its for development plyaers. It Tyree was showing strong signs of developing where would you stash him. Meaning if the Bilsl improved and brought in a much better 3rd string QB option that has people really excited how would you keep that player on the practice squad. Knowing the Bills probably don't want 3 active QB's on the roster you have to settle for a Tyree type of project

 

Fine - get me a scout QB that's better than the 5th string Tight end from last year.  

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Just now, dneveu said:

 

Just saying - this guy looks more logan thomas than anything else.  There will be other scout QB options for the practice squad.

 

 

There is a chance a better QB option that can be safely stashed on a PS squad may come available... But the fact does remain Tyree knows the system and the playbook which gives him a leg up in regards to replacing him on the PS

 

I understand the frustration somewhat but swapping the guy out because you want a better PS QB that was cut from another team and not signed to their PS really would be an exercise in futility.  Any QB that the BIlls might want to swap out Tyree for would have to be bad enough to not be signed to the PS of the team who waived sed QB. Most likely there is no upgrade to be found there...

 

 

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On 8/19/2019 at 8:30 AM, MAJBobby said:

 

Are they running the right routes?  Are they doing what their assignments are?  Are they getting separation?  That is how you evaluate them. 

 

I would even argue having Tyree throwing to them gives them the opportunity to show their catch Radius as well. 

 

 

On a side note. Tyree is the perfect PS QB to have why?  Getting ready to play a Big Armed QB? You have a Big Armed QB on PS.  Getting ready to play a Mobile QB?  You have that on the PS. 

 

Getting ready to play a timing QB?  You have that on you team as well with Barkley. 

 

He will. In LA with the Chargers as he plays TT off that roster. 

 

Don't be too sure of that.  Lynn knows what he's getting in Taylor, which is a competent backup QB.   Jones hasn't proven that he can play competently when the games count.

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On 8/19/2019 at 8:30 AM, MAJBobby said:

 

Are they running the right routes?  Are they doing what their assignments are?  Are they getting separation?  That is how you evaluate them. 

 

I would even argue having Tyree throwing to them gives them the opportunity to show their catch Radius as well. 

 

 

On a side note. Tyree is the perfect PS QB to have why?  Getting ready to play a Big Armed QB? You have a Big Armed QB on PS.  Getting ready to play a Mobile QB?  You have that on the PS. 

 

Getting ready to play a timing QB?  You have that on you team as well with Barkley. 

 

He will. In LA with the Chargers as he plays TT off that roster. 

 

...SERIOUSLY?.....cannon with rubber bullets and a spray field wider than the Grand Canyon.....he's about as accurate as LaCanfora......shoulda stayed in school.......and probably grad school....SMH.....

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