Greg Cosell Says Ed Oliver “struggled” and evaluates new Bills players in preseason debut

[PlayoffsPlease]

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Interesting ...

 

 

 

 

Do we believe Baldy or Cosell? 

Double Teamed multiple times in the game and he managed to produce. 

 

Does it matter?  Oliver will be a starter regardless.  If he succeeds or struggles in real games, no one will be saying "we knew this from the first pre-season game"

[Element115]

39 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

No one should expect him to be the next Donald.  And the summary by Cosell goes beyond, "he ain't no Aaron Donald."

 

But saying that his size is a concern when the best DT in football is the same size, to me, is silly.

 

Some Bills fans are upset because what was described is not an accurate representation of what actually happened. 

 

 

Donald is quite the exception.

33 minutes ago, teef said:

How do you feel about the show MacGyver?  MacGyver seems like a show you would really enjoy. Any truth to that?

 

I got warned for spamming the other day, and asked if pizza talk was spam and never got an answer.  How is this post not spam?

[teef]

4 minutes ago, Element115 said:

 

 

 

I got warned for spamming the other day, and asked if pizza talk was spam and never got an answer.  How is this post not spam?

i happen to be very good friends with richard dean anderson.  after watching the preseason game, he shared similar ideas to you when concerning oliver.  just wondered if it was a coincidence, or there really was a connection to the actor.  all bills related.

Edited August 13, 2019 by teef

[DCbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Interesting ...

 

 

 

 

Do we believe Baldy or Cosell? 

I'd go with Baldy.  He played OL so he has a better perspective on OL/DL play.  Oliver held his own against Nelson.  Some good plays by both players.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Does it matter?  Oliver will be a starter regardless.  If he succeeds or struggles in real games, no one will be saying "we knew this from the first pre-season game"

 

not particularly.  

 

I was merely posting an opposing view to Cosell's 

[Don Otreply]

What’s with this new buzz word “bias” come on people, it’s silly, it started the media, and now it’s on football message boards. 

 

Bias=opinion 

 

Every human being that has ever lived was/is bias on virtually everything they see say or do. “Bias” is the latest buzz word on social media, and is heavily over used. For Christ sake enough,  Thank you ?Rant over.

 

Ed Oliver will be fine regardless of people’s opinions.

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited August 13, 2019 by Don Otreply

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No idea how any blame could be put on Josh on that Zay drop.

 

It was a fine throw and as quick a release as you could ask from him. If Zay catches that he isn't getting popped, IMO.

other than getting hit by 2 guys ... 

 

what could happen.  

 

That play was IMO the only Dropped pass by Zay.  The other two were off 

Edited August 13, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[gordong]

3 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

I watched Baldy's breakdown and he basically said Oliver was stonewalled all night.  I think fan reaction to anything negative about Oliver is just a bit over the top.  He's undersized, and so far it shows. Lets see what happens the next game! 

you need to go watch that again because that is not even close to what he said...  

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Does it matter?  Oliver will be a starter regardless.  If he succeeds or struggles in real games, no one will be saying "we knew this from the first pre-season game"

you are so wrong- people will be saying they knew since he was in 7th grade!?

[DCofNC]

If that was struggling, I cant wait for him to get rolling.

[MAJBobby]

10 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I enjoy listening to the old and wise Greg Cosell breaking down the Bills with The Murph on One Bills Live.

 

I saw that he was on the show last Friday to evaluate the Bills in the preseason opener so i took a listen.

 

To my surprise he was no high on Ed Oliver’s debut.  He said he “struggled” for most of his plays especially when facing double teams.  He also said that Eddie needs to develop “perfect technique” in the NFL because he is too small to take on double teams.  

 

I watched the game and this was not the impression I came away with.  I did see Ed get taken out by Quentin Nelson a few times but he is an All-Pro and one of the best.  I was very impressed by his debut, as were many Bills beat writers and it makes me wonder whether Greg really watched all of Ed’s plays of just the few where he was rendered ineffective by Nelson.

 

As for the rest, Greg seemed somewhat reserved.  He mentioned some good things but also didn’t seem too impressed.  Even Murph was like “I feel pretty good about the Bills.”  But Greg did say, it’s important not to take away too much from the preseason - so maybe that’s why.   

 

He is high on Daryl Johnson.  This he can be a good edge rusher in the NFL.

 

Thinks Josh made some good throws but also missed a few others he should have had.   That pass to Zay Jones could have gotten him walloped.  Says he needs to work on that.

 

Liked Cody Ford’s debut.  Believes that the coaching staff is trying to find the 5 best lineman which is why they are moving him around.  

 

Thinks Vosean Joseph moves well but is a little small and thinks he’ll play behind Matt Milano and will have a tough time getting on the field behind him. (Greg actually talked about him and then 5 minutes later Tasker said “what did you think about Vosean Joseph?”  forcing Greg to repeat what he said earlier LOL).

 

Said Tyree Jackson struggled big time as well and has a ton of work to do.  

 

Puts over Singletary’s hard running, vision and patience but questions whether he can be a “power runner” due to his small size.  

 

https://app.radio.com/hiQaUPmN6Y

 

 

Look all these Media types need to talk about the same old stuff.  Remember Aaron Donald WAS TO SMALL to play DT as well.  How is that turning out?

3 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

I watched Baldy's breakdown and he basically said Oliver was stonewalled all night.  I think fan reaction to anything negative about Oliver is just a bit over the top.  He's undersized, and so far it shows. Lets see what happens the next game! 

Ahhhh The Same People that said he was too small have to use that as their Narrative now.  Quick Question what is the Size of the BEST DT in the league Aaron Donald?

[Element115]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

Look all these Media types need to talk about the same old stuff.  Remember Aaron Donald WAS TO SMALL to play DT as well.  How is that turning out?

Ahhhh The Same People that said he was too small have to use that as their Narrative now.  Quick Question what is the Size of the BEST DT in the league Aaron Donald?

 

He is undersized, so is Donald.  Because Oliver is the same size Oliver = Donald?  c'mon

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Element115 said:

 

He is undersized, so is Donald.  Because Oliver is the same size Oliver = Donald?  c'mon

 

Did I say that, And he Isnt Undersized in terms of what you want TODAYS DTS to do.  Let me guess you want a Slob that cannot move right?

 

When did it show, when he fought thru a double team across the face of an ALL PRO OG and made the play?  Is that when h showed he was undersized?

Edited August 13, 2019 by MAJBobby

[JESSEFEFFER]

if i recall, he faulted Josh for two throws.  The one that came in about a foot too low on a curl to the right side and a curl to the left where Zay took a hit in the back just as the ball got there but managed to hang on.  To me the latter looked like a throw Josh made as his 3rd option so of course it was later in the play.   Cosell said sometimes that "late"  throw will be incomplete because it gives the defender a chance for a pbu.  I do not think he commented on the throw near the goal line.

[K-9]

I don’t think Cosell saw this play. 

[Gugny]

31 minutes ago, Element115 said:

 

He is undersized, so is Donald.  Because Oliver is the same size Oliver = Donald?  c'mon

 

That is simple, lazy logic.

 

Better (big boy) logic would state that, since Donald has succeeded in the NFL at his size, it's not out of the question to think that Oliver can also be successful in the NFL at his size.

[Phil The Thrill]

4 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

I watched Baldy's breakdown and he basically said Oliver was stonewalled all night.  I think fan reaction to anything negative about Oliver is just a bit over the top.  He's undersized, and so far it shows. Lets see what happens the next game! 

 

I don’t think it’s that, it seems like to most fans and many writers on the Bills beat that Ed had a pretty good night.  Their take doesn’t seem to match up with the evaluation of the National reporters 

[Element115]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

That is simple, lazy logic.

 

Better (big boy) logic would state that, since Donald has succeeded in the NFL at his size, it's not out of the question to think that Oliver can also be successful in the NFL at his size.

 

Logic dictates Donald is rare, not that Oliver will have similar success just because they are the same size lol.  

1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

I don’t think it’s that, it seems like to most fans and many writers on the Bills beat that Ed had a pretty good night.  Their take doesn’t seem to match up with the evaluation of the National reporters 

 

That's kind of the definition of homerism.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Element115 said:

 

Logic dictates Donald is rare, not that Oliver will have similar success just because they are the same size lol.  

 

That's kind of the definition of homerism.

 

Or Does Logic say the NFL has evolved and more and more players Oliver Size and Donald Size going to be successful in the NEW NFL instead of the Slobs that cannot move and just eat blocks.

[Patrick Duffy]

41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Did I say that, And he Isnt Undersized in terms of what you want TODAYS DTS to do.  Let me guess you want a Slob that cannot move right?

 

When did it show, when he fought thru a double team across the face of an ALL PRO OG and made the play?  Is that when h showed he was undersized?

 

I see he refused to answer that. Funny.

[Paul Costa]

I heard interview also. It was Friday early afternoon. Cosell said he went to the Eagles game Thursday night. I believe getting up first thing Friday morning to watch the Bills tape from the night before to be prepared for One Bills Live was not a priority. He probably watched the highlights. Maybe the first two series but not in any detail. He tried to bull#### his way through a couple of questions using basic statements from the past. Josh needs to work on this or that. Very subjective things. He’s usually a good listen but definitely wasn’t on his A game last Friday.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

I see he refused to answer that. Funny.

Dosnt fit the undersized strggling narrative

[Element115]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Or Does Logic say the NFL has evolved and more and more players Oliver Size and Donald Size going to be successful in the NEW NFL instead of the Slobs that cannot move and just eat blocks.

 

It's a possible trend sure, are we there yet? Nope.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Element115 said:

 

It's a possible trend sure, are we there yet? Nope.

 

 

 

Absolutely are hard to fully be there as there is only on Donald and One Oliver size and talent in the league right now.  Tell me how is he undersized stacking a double team fighting across an All Pro OG Face and making the play in the hole?

Edited August 13, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Element115]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Absolutely are hard to fully be there as there is only on Donald and One Oliver size and talent in the league right now.  Tell me how is he undersized stacking a double team fighting across an All Pro OG Face and making the play in the hole?

 

I need to find the Baldy breakdown and watch again, I can't picture the play.  But from the sounds of it I could question how long an undersized player could keep that up.

[BobChalmers]

10 minutes ago, Element115 said:

That's kind of the definition of homerism.

 

That, or the REALITY that national media have no incentive to put any energy into informed coverage of a small market team.  They get caught ALL THE TIME spewing complete nonsense that proves they aren't putting in the time to earn their paychecks.

 

The all-time classic, of course, was Marshall Faulk having to make a weak apology for saying the Bills wouldn't be good b/c they needed to upgrade at OLT - when they had pro-bowler Jason Peters at OLT.

 

More recently, Nate Burleson apologized for leaving Tre' White off his list of top 5 rookie CBs after the 2017 season.

 

This is a pretty constant behavior, and since the lazy incompetent Faulk is still employed, I am pretty sure they all know the consequences are minimal. 

 

Reporting on the Bills is taken as "vacation time" by the nationals, and they usually mail it in with little to no effort applied.

[MDH]

It’s interesting that he though Ford played well and Oliver struggled. Most observers had the opposite take.

 

I wonder, what were Cosell’s pre-draft evaluations of those guys?

[Element115]

7 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

That, or the REALITY that national media have no incentive to put any energy into informed coverage of a small market team.  They get caught ALL THE TIME spewing complete nonsense that proves they aren't putting in the time to earn their paychecks.

 

The all-time classic, of course, was Marshall Faulk having to make a weak apology for saying the Bills wouldn't be good b/c they needed to upgrade at OLT - when they had pro-bowler Jason Peters at OLT.

 

More recently, Nate Burleson apologized for leaving Tre' White off his list of top 5 rookie CBs after the 2017 season.

 

This is a pretty constant behavior, and since the lazy incompetent Faulk is still employed, I am pretty sure they all know the consequences are minimal. 

 

Reporting on the Bills is taken as "vacation time" by the nationals, and they usually mail it in with little to no effort applied.

 

Maybe they should win some games and this would not happen?  I mean the media guys you are whining about have NEVER seen the Bills win. Some of them not even born yet when the Bills were last good lol.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Element115

[Malazan]

5 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

I watched Baldy's breakdown and he basically said Oliver was stonewalled all night.  I think fan reaction to anything negative about Oliver is just a bit over the top.  He's undersized, and so far it shows. Lets see what happens the next game! 

 

Baldy's breakdown was awfully high on Oliver's play so I don't wtf you watched.

[Element115]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Baldy's breakdown was awfully high on Oliver's play so I don't wtf you watched.

 

lol, I heard different.  Sounded to me like he was inferring Oliver has a lot of work to do.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Element115

[Malazan]

Just now, Element115 said:

 

lol, I heard different.  Sounded to me like he was inferring Oliver has a lot of work to do.

 

I'm guessing you hear a lot of things that didn't happen.

[Element115]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I'm guessing you hear a lot of things that didn't happen.

 

You have that backwards IMO.  I don't wear special colored glasses and Bills earplugs etc.

[dorquemada]

*I* say that Greg Cosell "struggled" to crap out a lousy article by deadline and is getting by on reputation alone

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Element115 said:

 

You have that backwards IMO.  I don't wear special colored glasses and Bills earplugs etc.

but you do enjoy macgyver...right?

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Baldy's breakdown was awfully high on Oliver's play so I don't wtf you watched.

I didn't think Baldy was that high on him at all, and I watched it. He basically said he didn't do much against Nelson and was mostly controlled, but still flashed athletic talent, which excited him. The main takeaway was that this was his first preseason game so focus on the athletic promise rather than the production, which was mostly negligible. He did almost get one sack, but it was of the vulture variety on a hustle play in which the QB didn't get rid of the ball quickly.

 

Regardless, it's all fine. He'll get better because he does have a lot of physical talent. He'll be going up against a lot of bad guards over the course of the year.  

[Element115]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

but you do enjoy macgyver...right?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver

 

I don't see any Bills related content there. I reported your post as spam.

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, Element115 said:

 

Logic dictates Donald is rare, not that Oliver will have similar success just because they are the same size lol.  

 

That's kind of the definition of homerism.

 

Its not “homerism,” it’s pointing out inconsistencies between national analysts and beat reporters.  Compare the evaluation of Cosell and Baldy to Sa Capaccio and Joe B/Matt Fairburn.  They have different opinions on his debut

[Element115]

Just now, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Its not “homerism,” it’s pointing out inconsistencies between national analysts and beat reporters.  Compare the evaluation of Cosell and Baldy to Sa Capaccio and Joe B/Matt Fairburn.  They have different opinions on his debut

 

Do you think this happens to just the Buffalo Bills organization?  Or other organizations who have not won for like 25 years?

[Phil The Thrill]

Just now, Element115 said:

 

Do you think this happens to just the Buffalo Bills organization?  Or other organizations who have not won for like 25 years?

 

If you are evaluating the performance of a player in his debut, none of that should matter.  If it does, it shows a tremendous bias for someone who is supposed to be an “impartial” journalist 

[teef]

8 minutes ago, Element115 said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver

 

I don't see any Bills related content there. I reported your post as spam.

sorry t-bomb, i mean whitedwarf...i mean macgyver, etc.