thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: He’s 33 years old. Did you like the Cody Ford pick? Yes, I liked the Ford pick. I said in the lead up to the draft that I thought Ford was a player that you draft hoping that he can play tackle, but knowing that he can play guard. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Nsekhe. You sign OL players in FA because you have a need, and you have no idea if the OL guys that you like in the draft are going to be there when you pick. After that, you play the best player. I don't care if guy is 45; if he's a better OT than the guy competing with him, then he should play. Now, I've said multiple times that I would trade Nsekhe (or Dawkins) for Clowney, but the idea that nobody had a clue who this guy was 3 months ago is silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: You're right. I should have gone with the argument "I don't even want Ty that bad." Twice. What? The reason yiu you don’t want clowney is weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Did Buddy make this deal yet or is he still asleep at the wheel?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Yes, I liked the Ford pick. I said in the lead up to the draft that I thought Ford was a player that you draft hoping that he can play tackle, but knowing that he can play guard. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Nsekhe. You sign OL players in FA because you have a need, and you have no idea if the OL guys that you like in the draft are going to be there when you pick. After that, you play the best player. I don't care if guy is 45; if he's a better OT than the guy competing with him, then he should play. Now, I've said multiple times that I would trade Nsekhe (or Dawkins) for Clowney, but the idea that nobody had a clue who this guy was 3 months ago is silly. Most fans had no idea who he was. Even those saying they wouldn’t trade him right now. I’d honestly rather give up Dawkins at this point because we are going to end up paying LT money to an OG at this rate. Edited August 14, 2019 by Chemical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chemical said: What? The reason yiu you don’t want clowney is weak You know what, Chem. That has some merit. I am really not going to disagree. It is just the way I feel, with not only the way things really do seem to be coming together right now on O, especially for Josh and the protection, but also the upsetting the apple cart by making this swing for the fences when I feel this team has been built so well and will continue to grow. I wasn't for AB, either. I get the difference of opinions, but it is still my opinion and I like sticking by it. If we get him, well, I know we will have a great new player. Edited August 14, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chemical said: Most fans had no idea who he was. Even those saying they wouldn’t trade him right now. I’d honestly rather give up Dawkins at this point because we are going to end up paying LT money to an OG at this rate. Does that really matter? I had no idea who 33 year old Lorenzo Alexander was when we signed him. That turned out pretty well...don't you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Does that really matter? I had no idea who 33 year old Lorenzo Alexander was when we signed him. That turned out pretty well...don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Did it rain on your wedding day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did Buddy make this deal yet or is he still asleep at the wheel?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did it rain on your wedding day? As a matter of fact it did. Yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Does that really matter? I had no idea who 33 year old Lorenzo Alexander was when we signed him. That turned out pretty well...don't you think? He has never been a starter. Never seen him play a down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: As a matter of fact it did. Yours? Hell nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: He has never been a starter. Never seen him play a down. So, no offense intended here: it sounds like when you said "most fans" didn't know who he was, you meant yourself? Because if I didn't know who the guy was, then yeah, I'd think it's sheer lunacy to wonder why someone wouldn't want him traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chemical said: He has never been a starter. Never seen him play a down. Interesting. Before Lorax signed with the Bills, he had a total of 16 starts and played a different position. Ty Nsheke had 16 starts with the Redskins. It seems to be that you believe if you never heard of him, that applies to the majority. Is that how you're viewing it? Edited August 14, 2019 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: So, no offense intended here: it sounds like when you said "most fans" didn't know who he was, you meant yourself? Because if I didn't know who the guy was, then yeah, I'd think it's sheer lunacy to wonder why someone wouldn't want him traded. I head all about him after we signed him. I think he’s a good player. Most fans STILL don’t know who he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Not surprising. I doubt Beane will want to over pay for someone who will never live up to the size of contract he will want. DE/edge is a need, but Clowney is probably not the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Since Beane and McDermott been in town there is very little leaks. If they make a move they do it. It comes out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Interesting. Before Lorax signed with the Bills, he had a total of 16 starts and played a different position. Ty Nsheke had 16 starts with the Redskins. It seems to be that you believe if you never heard of him, that applies to the majority. Is that how you're viewing it? Yes most fans probably still don’t even know for sure who will be the starting RT this year. go ahead and do a little research study and let me know how it goes. Im just trying to point out that if the Bills ever win the super bowl it definitely will not be because of Ty Nsekhe or Lorax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Not surprising. I doubt Beane will want to over pay for someone who will never live up to the size of contract he will want. DE/edge is a need, but Clowney is probably not the answer. Conflicting report 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Since Beane and McDermott been in town there is very little leaks. If they make a move they do it. It comes out of nowhere. Really the Allen draft pick was called in February before the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Not surprising. I doubt Beane will want to over pay for someone who will never live up to the size of contract he will want. DE/edge is a need, but Clowney is probably not the answer. I guess I need to understand why some folks are proclaiming this as fact? I'll post the stat again: since 2016, there are only 3 players in the NFL that have more than 50 TFLs...one is Aaron Donald--the best defensive player in football... ...the others are Cameron Jordan and Jadeveon Clowney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Not surprising. I doubt Beane will want to over pay for someone who will never live up to the size of contract he will want. DE/edge is a need, but Clowney is probably not the answer. This is how I see it too. Beane knows he would have to pay a 100 million plus contract to lock Clowney up and I don't think he feels that is smart. I can see a 2nd rounder going to a DE next year depending on Trent's play this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: Yes most fans probably still don’t even know for sure who will be the starting RT this year. go ahead and do a little research study and let me know how it goes. Im just trying to point out that if the Bills ever win the super bowl it definitely will not be because of Ty Nsekhe or Lorax I don't understand that point at all. They are contributors to the team. If we win a Super Bowl, they will be a part of it because it's a team game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 Here is the tweet that started Today’s Bills Clowney Rumors. the Stevie Johnson and Donald Jones podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Conflicting report Really the Allen draft pick was called in February before the pick. I love it that all these people no one has ever heard of have the inside scoop, while the most well connected NFL insiders haven't heard a peep. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Logic said: I love it that all these people no one has ever heard of have the inside scoop, while the most well connected NFL insiders haven't heard a peep. ? What are you saying Grant Gilchrest who works for GGSN, which totally isn't Grant Gilchrest Sports News, isn't reliable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Here is the tweet that started Today’s Bills Clowney Rumors. the Stevie Johnson and Donald Jones podcast. Apparently they knew of the Thanksgiving day game before anyone else. The problem is that IB is saying this as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: I love it that all these people no one has ever heard of have the inside scoop, while the most well connected NFL insiders haven't heard a peep. ? Lol that dude has 133 followers and an unverified account... it's garbage. Throw something at the wall and see what sticks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don't understand that point at all. They are contributors to the team. If we win a Super Bowl, they will be a part of it because it's a team game. Oh sorry i thought the point of football was to win the super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: Oh sorry i thought the point of football was to win the super bowl Are you not really following this conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I guess I need to understand why some folks are proclaiming this as fact? I'll post the stat again: since 2016, there are only 3 players in the NFL that have more than 50 TFLs...one is Aaron Donald--the best defensive player in football... ...the others are Cameron Jordan and Jadeveon Clowney. So you think Clowney will live up to $20M+ a year, with the better part of $100M+ guaranteed? Edited August 14, 2019 by Happy Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Conflicting report Really the Allen draft pick was called in February before the pick. Draft picks withstanding. The Watkins/Darby, Benjamin and Darues all happened than reported. The slow leak and tea leaf reading never ends in a deal being made. It's a wave of retweets of nonsense to increase random Twitter warriors profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: So you think Clowney will live up to $20M+ a year, with the better part of $100M+ guaranteed? I see no reason to believe he wouldn't...or, perhaps more accurately, there's no more reason to believe that he wouldn't than there is to believe that he would. He's been a total wrecking ball the last 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: So you think Clowney will live up to $20M+ a year, with the better part of $100M guaranteed? Probably not, but I would franchise tag him. We have cap space next two years before an Allen extension, in theory. One thing i know for sure is he will have more impact than Nsekhe and whatever version of Murphy or Lotuloei we would use the cap space on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I understand people saying that it's likely nothing and a bunch of nobodies reporting it means nothing, but don't forget the massive breakdown of "official" channel insiders that was the AB thing... You never know till you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Why would the Bills trade for a rental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I understand people saying that it's likely nothing and a bunch of nobodies reporting it means nothing, but don't forget the massive breakdown of "official" channel insiders that was the AB thing... You never know till you know. Yeah, one tweet caused all this insanity. I’ll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: So you think Clowney will live up to $20M+ a year, with the better part of $100M guaranteed? Also, I could be wrong but isn’t he being slightly misused as a LB in Houston? They have a few good pass rushers which some would say take focus off him. But what about the times Watt or Mercilus get to the QB just before him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: Why would the Bills trade for a rental? Likely have a deal on terms with the agent and clowney is willing to sign in the off-season - they can also tag him so the bills have some protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I guess I need to understand why some folks are proclaiming this as fact? I'll post the stat again: since 2016, there are only 3 players in the NFL that have more than 50 TFLs...one is Aaron Donald--the best defensive player in football... ...the others are Cameron Jordan and Jadeveon Clowney. Jadeveon Clowney accounted for at least half of Watts sacks. QBs were literally running into Watt trying to get away from Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Are you not really following this conversation? No you keep changing the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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