billsredneck1 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Drinking and driving ...... Texting while driving......... what’s the difference. i don;t think there;s much of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Beer in one hand, phone in the other.... Now that takes some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree that both are bad. I don’t think it’s something someone should loose their job over. Definitely a warning type thing and then harsher penalties after if it happens again. Really? Do you know how many innocent families and individuals are butchered by drunk driver's every year? I'll just tell you. Over 10,000, and many of them children. These people shouldn't just lose their jobs, they should be locked up. Follow the f***ing law! And for those saying texting and driving is the same, it's not. Distracted driving (in all forms) accounts for about 3,000 deaths a year, less than a third of what drunks cause. Also stupid, and also against the law. Edited August 12, 2019 by MJS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: No matter how much you earn, if you are drunk, take an Uber or call a favor and get a ride. I even think a lot of places give free ride to people who are drunk...but i guess when you are in that state you clearly aren't thinking properly...thats why its called "while intoxicated"...you can't drive properly and you can't think properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: Really? Do you know how many innocent families and individuals are butchered by drunk driver's every year? I'll just tell you. Over 10,000, and many of them children. These people shouldn't just lose their jobs, they should be locked up. Follow the f***ing law! And for those saying texting and driving is the same, it's not. Distracted driving (in all forms) accounts for about 3,000 deaths a year, less than a third of what drunks cause. Also stupid, and also against the law. These two things are amongst my worst fears while driving. I am a very safe driver and am almost OCD aware of wht is going on around me at all times on the road...knock on wood ive never been involved in a serious accident and the only minor accidents i have been in involved me getting rear ended by others while stopped (3 times on personal time and once while driving a box truck for work). None of these were very hard and only minimal damage was done to the car. This is my biggest fear tho...i treat everyone on the road around me like they are an idiot and are going to do something stupid so im constantly prepared for things like people switching lanes without looking, pulling out from a stop sign without looking, running red lights, etc but when you are stopped with cars in front of you and no where to go, all it takes is someone texting or drunk barrelling into you at 40 or 50 mph and you are in a lot of trouble through no fault of your own and nothing you can do about it. Also witnessed an accident happen literally a car in front of me on Bailey Ave in Bufflo where a car looked like the tie road broke in the other lane and the car lost control and ended up crossing into our lane and side swiping the car directly in front of me at about 40 mph sending the car into a light pole nd sending that crashing to the ground...luckily i saw the car starting to lose control further up the road and slowed down a lot to put distance between myself and the car in front of me...i was probably 30 feet from it and going about 10 mph when it happened so i easily stopped. I was so shook by that i had to pull over on the side of the road for about 10 minutes...never know what is going to happen when you leave the house or job or store, gotta be prepared for anything. Edited August 12, 2019 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: As I recall, Rosen was the “Most NFL Ready” QB of draft. It didn’t take long for other young QB’s to work through weak rosters and problematic front offices (See Baker Mayfield, Peyton Manning, even Josh Allen O line). Stop grasping at straws. Rosen has the mental fortitude and drive of a possum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: As I recall, Rosen was the “Most NFL Ready” QB of draft. It didn’t take long for other young QB’s to work through weak rosters and problematic front offices (See Baker Mayfield, Peyton Manning, even Josh Allen O line). Stop grasping at straws. Rosen has the mental fortitude and drive of a possum. Did you watch any of the Miami-Atlanta preseason game with Rosen under center? I did. He looks like a totally different player. I'm not saying he's going to be a great QB but I think that he's back in the group of 2018 first round QBs ready to take the next step to become competent NFL QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, SoTier said: Did you watch any of the Miami-Atlanta preseason game with Rosen under center? I did. He looks like a totally different player. I'm not saying he's going to be a great QB but I think that he's back in the group of 2018 first round QBs ready to take the next step to become competent NFL QBs. I did not. But to blame Rosen's struggles on a front office mishap (DUI) or a poor offensive line as CBiscuit did smacks in the face of the media narrative that Rosen was most NFL ready. As I said, Baker did ok with a screwy front office and Josh A. showed stability/professionalism given the hand he was dealt at O line (4 of last year's O line are now gone!). I think some of the Rosen fans need to re-evaluate why they were such big fans. Was he hyped by the media or did he really demonstrate "NFL ready" characteristics but was unable to blossom given his team? (when other, less touted QB's succeeded in similar conditions). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Beer in one hand, phone in the other.... Now that takes some talent. I once saw a woman with a cigarette in one hand, her phone in the other and her child in the car seat behind her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: I did not. But to blame Rosen's struggles on a front office mishap (DUI) or a poor offensive line as CBiscuit did smacks in the face of the media narrative that Rosen was most NFL ready. As I said, Baker did ok with a screwy front office and Josh A. showed stability/professionalism given the hand he was dealt at O line (4 of last year's O line are now gone!). I think some of the Rosen fans need to re-evaluate why they were such big fans. Was he hyped by the media or did he really demonstrate "NFL ready" characteristics but was unable to blossom given his team? (when other, less touted QB's succeeded in similar conditions). He played one year for a team that fired their OC 4 games into the year and promoted a guy who has never been an OC; had a defensive 1st time defensive head coach who got fired after one season; his star rb coming back from a major injury; one of the worst o lines in nfl; old Fitz (they drafted 3 wrs this year); and still had similar passing stats to Allen, who some are ready to put in Canton. Making judgement off any rookie qb’s season is kinda insane, much less that dysfunctional of one. And it’s the worthless preseason but he looked pretty good in game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: I once saw a woman with a cigarette in one hand, her phone in the other and her child in the car seat behind her. Now that's just plain @#$%ed up... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: I did not. But to blame Rosen's struggles on a front office mishap (DUI) or a poor offensive line as CBiscuit did smacks in the face of the media narrative that Rosen was most NFL ready. As I said, Baker did ok with a screwy front office and Josh A. showed stability/professionalism given the hand he was dealt at O line (4 of last year's O line are now gone!). I think some of the Rosen fans need to re-evaluate why they were such big fans. Was he hyped by the media or did he really demonstrate "NFL ready" characteristics but was unable to blossom given his team? (when other, less touted QB's succeeded in similar conditions). I think there was definitely something dysfunctional in Arizona. My guess is that it might not have been the FO but Kiem did hire Steve Wilks, so That Arizona squad was a manure show from the get-go, and with many of the same players still with the team, it looks like an entirely different team under Kingbury. Rosen looks like a totally different player under Brian Flores in Miami. AFAIK, "NFL ready" simply means that a QB played well in a pro style offense in college. Nathan Peterman was also described as "NFL ready". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Drinking and driving ...... Texting while driving......... what’s the difference. Drinking and driving is more excusable to individuals who consider themselves "adults" than texting and driving, which they associate with irresponsible teens and twenty-somethings. It's always amazing to me when I hear well-educated, "respectable" people my age -- 50s-70s -- who complain about "the gub'ment" lowering the BAC level and increasing penalties for drunk driving. These aren't alcoholics; they're arrogant and self-centered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: As I recall, Rosen was the “Most NFL Ready” QB of draft. It didn’t take long for other young QB’s to work through weak rosters and problematic front offices (See Baker Mayfield, Peyton Manning, even Josh Allen O line). Stop grasping at straws. Rosen has the mental fortitude and drive of a possum. Oh, please. Rosen's situation in AZ was by far the worst of any of the young QBs. Their 2018 OL made ours look like keepers. He's better off in Miami, in a rebuild ... and that is a very sad commentary on your previous situation. Edited August 12, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I once saw a woman with a cigarette in one hand, her phone in the other and her child in the car seat behind her. I am a daily bike commuter, and some of the stuff I see blows my mind. There was a guy a few weeks ago who was vaping with a coffee in the other hand and his phone in the same hand talking to it, seemingly dictating a text. We are surrounded by morons. Some of them even find their way here on TBD. Edited August 12, 2019 by MiltonWaddams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: I am a daily bike commuter, and some of the stuff I see blows my mind. There was a guy a few weeks ago who was vaping with a coffee in the other hand and his phone in the same hand talking to it, seemingly dictating a text. We are surrounded by morons. Some of them even find their way here on TBD. Bike, as in motorcycle? Or are you part of the Spandex Mafia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Bike, as in motorcycle? Or are you part of the Spandex Mafia? Spandex mafia...but I cover up the spandex with over-shorts. I have a very nice car that sits in my very nice driveway and cost me very much less because I bicycle commute. Parking in my city is $18 a day downtown. Between that and gas, I save about $30 a day. Add to that the fact that I am in really good shape for a mid 40s guy. Some people hate, but they’re probably lazy and not as pretty as me? Edited August 12, 2019 by MiltonWaddams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, MiltonWaddams said: Spandex mafia...but I cover up the spandex with over-shorts. I have a very nice car that sits in my very nice driveway and cost me very much less because I bicycle commute. Parking in my city is $18 a day downtown. Between that and gas, I save about $30 a day. Add to that the fact that I am in really good shape for a mid 40s guy. Some people hate, but they’re probably lazy and not as pretty as me? How dare you call @Chef Jim lazy and ugly?!?!??! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: How dare you call @Chef Jim lazy and ugly?!?!??! You just called him a hater. Not really sure who wins this battle Edit: And not being as pretty as me doesn’t make you ugly it just doesn’t make you stunningly handsome? Edited August 12, 2019 by MiltonWaddams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Steve probably has four more second chances left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, very Stable situation Rosen had there. Can definitely see why he is going to be a bust now. Any rookie would have thrived there. Good thing the Dolphins have it all together...... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 hours ago, matter2003 said: These two things are amongst my worst fears while driving. I am a very safe driver and am almost OCD aware of wht is going on around me at all times on the road...knock on wood ive never been involved in a serious accident and the only minor accidents i have been in involved me getting rear ended by others while stopped (3 times on personal time and once while driving a box truck for work). None of these were very hard and only minimal damage was done to the car. This is my biggest fear tho...i treat everyone on the road around me like they are an idiot and are going to do something stupid so im constantly prepared for things like people switching lanes without looking, pulling out from a stop sign without looking, running red lights, etc but when you are stopped with cars in front of you and no where to go, all it takes is someone texting or drunk barrelling into you at 40 or 50 mph and you are in a lot of trouble through no fault of your own and nothing you can do about it. Also witnessed an accident happen literally a car in front of me on Bailey Ave in Bufflo where a car looked like the tie road broke in the other lane and the car lost control and ended up crossing into our lane and side swiping the car directly in front of me at about 40 mph sending the car into a light pole nd sending that crashing to the ground...luckily i saw the car starting to lose control further up the road and slowed down a lot to put distance between myself and the car in front of me...i was probably 30 feet from it and going about 10 mph when it happened so i easily stopped. I was so shook by that i had to pull over on the side of the road for about 10 minutes...never know what is going to happen when you leave the house or job or store, gotta be prepared for anything. Yes. And to put this in perspective, the total US casualties for the war in Iraq is 4,423. In Afghanistan it's 2,351. So annually there are more people killed by drunk drivers than both of those wars combined for US casualties. And those wars spanned years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, MR8 said: Good thing the Dolphins have it all together...... ? I like their head coach. We’ll see though but I think he has a chance to be a good one. It is a good low risk move for Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Drinking and driving is more excusable to individuals who consider themselves "adults" than texting and driving, which they associate with irresponsible teens and twenty-somethings. It's always amazing to me when I hear well-educated, "respectable" people my age -- 50s-70s -- who complain about "the gub'ment" lowering the BAC level and increasing penalties for drunk driving. These aren't alcoholics; they're arrogant and self-centered. You can add willfully ignorant as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 21 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: DWI is bad but imagine if every time someone was arrested for it their employer had to come out and basically apologize for their employees behavior. Twitter would need a new server. In this case, it is obviously a consequence of the employer being in a business that is a scrutinized by the public as much or more than any other. I'm now retired, but I was in a rather public position, albeit on a much smaller scale. Had I ever been convicted of DUI or DWI, the consequences for me and my employer would have been very high as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I like their head coach. We’ll see though but I think he has a chance to be a good one. It is a good low risk move for Miami. Oh I entirely agree, I am just saying I have my doubts about the Phins as an organization right now... we'll see how things shape up but they seem a bit ass backwards still... not as bad as teams like Houston the Jests, or Booz-azona... but still not quite on the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Element115 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 One thing you can say about Beane and McDermott, that kind of silliness just does not happen to this organization anymore. Well almost, the last bit of it will leave when McCoy leaves. Remember the good old days of Dareus getting stoned and drag racing? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: I did not. But to blame Rosen's struggles on a front office mishap (DUI) or a poor offensive line as CBiscuit did smacks in the face of the media narrative that Rosen was most NFL ready. As I said, Baker did ok with a screwy front office and Josh A. showed stability/professionalism given the hand he was dealt at O line (4 of last year's O line are now gone!). I think some of the Rosen fans need to re-evaluate why they were such big fans. Was he hyped by the media or did he really demonstrate "NFL ready" characteristics but was unable to blossom given his team? (when other, less touted QB's succeeded in similar conditions). Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 12:19 PM, Bangarang said: Drinking and driving is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I like their head coach. We’ll see though but I think he has a chance to be a good one. It is a good low risk move for Miami. I do, too. I think Miami is going to surprise a lot of people this season. I don't think that their organization is as dysfunctional as Bills fans would like to believe it is. A lot of their problems over the last few years have stemmed from hitching their wagon to Tannehill who's a "coach killer" type of QB: just good enough that HCs and GMs sink resources into trying to build around them only to have them turn up to be "not good enough". If Josh Allen is going to come up short as an NFL QB, then I want him to fail quick and clean like Losman and Manuel, not be "just good enough" that the Bills give him a second contract in hopes that with more time and talent he improves, which was Sanchez for the Jests and Tannehill for the Fins. 1 hour ago, Element115 said: One thing you can say about Beane and McDermott, that kind of silliness just does not happen to this organization anymore. Well almost, the last bit of it will leave when McCoy leaves. Remember the good old days of Dareus getting stoned and drag racing? lol Well, winning playoff games just does not happen to this organization any more, either. I remember "the good old days" of Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Benett et al when the Bills were big winners despite their rowdy ways. I'll praise Beane and McDermott when their vaunted "culture" produces regular winners on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Element115 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, SoTier said: Well, winning playoff games just does not happen to this organization any more, either. I remember "the good old days" of Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Benett et al when the Bills were big winners despite their rowdy ways. I'll praise Beane and McDermott when their vaunted "culture" produces regular winners on the field. I don't really think I was praising them. And yeah, I do remember the SB years. If they didn't party so much they just may have won one of those games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 14 hours ago, MJS said: Really? Do you know how many innocent families and individuals are butchered by drunk driver's every year? I'll just tell you. Over 10,000, and many of them children. These people shouldn't just lose their jobs, they should be locked up. Follow the f***ing law! And for those saying texting and driving is the same, it's not. Distracted driving (in all forms) accounts for about 3,000 deaths a year, less than a third of what drunks cause. Also stupid, and also against the law. There is a huge difference in that guy who goes out to dinner and drinks 4 beers and chances it right around the legal limit and a guy at a bar who drinks 10 IPA’s and two shots of Jack. When i’m Bowling on Thursday nights I drink 3 beers, one per game. I know I’m right on that limit but I could easily pass a sobriety test. The guy doing 10 IPA’s and 2 shots would barely be able to get out of the car. Plus he is blowing twice the legal limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 57 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: There is a huge difference in that guy who goes out to dinner and drinks 4 beers and chances it right around the legal limit and a guy at a bar who drinks 10 IPA’s and two shots of Jack. When i’m Bowling on Thursday nights I drink 3 beers, one per game. I know I’m right on that limit but I could easily pass a sobriety test. The guy doing 10 IPA’s and 2 shots would barely be able to get out of the car. Plus he is blowing twice the legal limit. That's not the topic. People driving below the legal limit are not the issue. And that's not what we're talking about. And frankly, that's not what YOU were talking about either. You said that people arrested while driving intoxicated (over the legal limit of alcohol in their system) should receive a warning and not lose their jobs. I stated that they should lose their jobs and go to jail. And I don't like your idea of "chancing it". That's what makes people do dumb things. Nobody should "chance it". More caution is needed with alcohol, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 4:06 PM, Binghamton Beast said: DWI is bad but imagine if every time someone was arrested for it their employer had to come out and basically apologize for their employees behavior. Twitter would need a new server. Not if they limited to officers of the business. I doubt the Cardinals would apologize if one of the ushers or ticketing agents got ticket. They are basically saying "We pay him enough to not cause embarrASSment. Use a driver, call a limo or do something else." On 8/11/2019 at 3:23 PM, YoloinOhio said: Uber is your friend. Uber actually is blocked at my house. Some marketing dweeb called me up trying to get me to sign up as a driver. The same person called again from another number which makes him a stalker IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 18 hours ago, MJS said: And for those saying texting and driving is the same, it's not. Distracted driving (in all forms) accounts for about 3,000 deaths a year, less than a third of what drunks cause. Also stupid, and also against the law. That is partly because it is harder to prove than DWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 hours ago, MJS said: That's not the topic. People driving below the legal limit are not the issue. And that's not what we're talking about. And frankly, that's not what YOU were talking about either. You said that people arrested while driving intoxicated (over the legal limit of alcohol in their system) should receive a warning and not lose their jobs. I stated that they should lose their jobs and go to jail. And I don't like your idea of "chancing it". That's what makes people do dumb things. Nobody should "chance it". More caution is needed with alcohol, not less. Actually, it's not the attitude toward alcohol that's the problem. It's the attitude toward driving that's the problem. Driving is a serious matter. If you want to drink at venues other than your home, then you should make arrangements beforehand and leave your car at home unless your spouse is your DD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFunPolice Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 just call an UBER or hire a driver... you guys have millions of dollars! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 ...maybe he should share the bottle...... Cards G.M. positive about QB, not the rest of team Posted by Darin Gantt on August 16, 2019, 12:16 PM EDT Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim is still encouraged about the progress of rookie quarterback Kyler Murray. The rest of his roster, on the other hand, . . . Keim said during an interview on 98.7 Arizona Sports that he’s still positive about the signs Murray’s showing, after a lackluster performance in last night’s game against the Raiders. “I have a tremendous amount of confidence in our quarterback,” Keim said, via Darren Urban of the team’s official website. “He has a supreme amount of confidence. For him to have a night like that is, to me, what you want early on. To see the different looks, different pressures, and to go through growing pains. That’s the only way a young guy like that can evolve.” He certainly only has one way to go after a 3-of-8 for 12 yard passing night, with a 4-yard run to augment a pretty measly stat line. Between the lack of production and the false start penalties for clapping, it was a second game to forget. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/16/cards-g-m-positive-about-qb-not-the-rest-of-team/#comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 This guy is black out drinking and sleeping til noon! Meanwhile, the team is falling apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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