What do you think of Millennials?

[Buffalo_Gal]

8 hours ago, Another Fan said:

So if you’re born after 1980 that makes you one.   Technically I’m considered one.

 

In general that phrase I think has a negative vibe to it.  People think self observed, lazy, rude, pampered, weak, etc...

 

I’d agree this generation doesn’t really have the best work ethic.  Only think I would say in that defense is my dad worked for the same company for 35 years before being laid off.  So loyalty can be a two way street.  Plus many were going to school and or looking for jobs around when the economy collapsed back in 2008 

My son is a millennial, but he's over 30 now so a reasonable human being (honestly, he's never been bad).

I just wish he'd get married and have kids. This putting off marriage and children is not getting me any grandchildren while I am young enough to enjoy them.   He is over-education, but no student loan debt, owns his own house (well, with his gf... did I mention I wish he would get married and have kids?), has a great job, yada yada.

I don't have much to complain about... well, except the lack of grandchildren.
 

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Knock off the political crap!

 

Not what I'd expect from a member of the Silent Generation.

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

My son is a millennial, but he's over 30 now so a reasonable human being (honestly, he's never been bad).

I just wish he'd get married and have kids. This putting off marriage and children is not getting me any grandchildren while I am young enough to enjoy them.   He is over-education, but no student loan debt, owns his own house (well, with his gf... did I mention I wish he would get married and have kids?), has a great job, yada yada.

I don't have much to complain about... well, except the lack of grandchildren.
 

Boomer?  ?

 

 

Just giving ya heck! J/K

 

There is always this approach:

 

 

 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Is 1980 considered the “millennial start”? I hadn’t heard it was that far back. My adult kids think it’s ‘90 and up and I’ve seen other reports claim ‘00 -as in the actual Millennial. My Son will be 39 next month (‘80). Neither he nor I consider him a millennial. 

Just asking. Anyway, I’ve hired a few in my mgmnt heyday. As mixed results as any era. Fantastic players and leaders/slacking deadbeats. I think there’s far less to it than the hype.

Yep, it starts at 1980.

 

In 1995 you get to iGen/Gen Z

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Not what I'd expect from a member of the Silent Generation.

Thanks for correcting! 

 

I keep calling the Silent Generation the Lost Generation.

 

My bad.  All references above to Lost Generation, should be be deemed Silent Generation.  My parents were Silent Generation and model the Xers to an extent.

 

Greatest had the Boomers.  Boy THAT is a 180° about face.

 

Too many terms here.  My bad. LoL... Not the first time I confuse, and won't be the last!

[Lurker]

51 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Generally,

• Boomers don't know how to use a computer.
• Gen X-ers don't know how to fix a car
• Millennials don't know  how to change a light bulb.
• Zombies eat tide pods
• Morons keep posting to this thread

 

 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

As a millenial, I literally write users manuals for a living. That are distributed as both PDF and paper.

And if you hate people who want their fair share of free stuff, you're okay with us getting rid of social security, right?

 

Social security isn't free stuff. If it was, my paycheck would look a lot better than it does.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Social security isn't free stuff. If it was, my paycheck would look a lot better than it does.

Would you be okay with it being phased out? Say anybody under 40 no longer pays into it, or atleast can opt out?

[/dev/null]

i don't really buy the Millenial thing starts with 1980.  i have a friend born in the early 80s that commented on the early 80s mark for millenials and was like "f*ck it, i don't want to be a millenial.  i hate millenials"

[ExiledInIllinois]

46 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

i don't really buy the Millenial thing starts with 1980.  i have a friend born in the early 80s that commented on the early 80s mark for millenials and was like "f*ck it, i don't want to be a millenial.  i hate millenials"

Wow!  Guess what, that comment cements it, their a Millennial!

 

If it goes to court... That's Exhibit A.  You should have read them their Miranda Rights! They're toast!

[RaoulDuke79]

52 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Would you be okay with it being phased out? Say anybody under 40 no longer pays into it, or atleast can opt out?

I'm not sure what the solution is. I don't feel that it's fair that someone  who has paid in all their life doesn't get anything on the back end. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

55 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Would you be okay with it being phased out? Say anybody under 40 no longer pays into it, or atleast can opt out?

No.  Because when the are all ancient, which they are 1/2 there already... I don't want to see their azz out on the street.  I live up North.

 

We are a compassionate country.  This ain't Maricopa County. It gets to -30°F here.

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'm not sure what the solution is. I don't feel that it's fair that someone  who has paid in all their life doesn't get anything on the back end. 

Huh?  They get something back:

 

"Social Security"

 

Millennials will want a yacht.

Edited July 30, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

I have been managing millenials for many years.

 

Generally speaking, they suck.

 

• They have a ridiculous false sense of entitlement.
• They expect to get a raise BEFORE upping their game, which blows me away every time.
• And if, by chance, they up their game before they get a raise, they will basically demand a raise about 5 minutes after they go above and beyond.
• They worry about others WAY more than they worry about themselves.
• Most of them seem to "suffer" from some sort of anxiety, which is just a byproduct of big pharma/doctors misdiagnosing and unnecessarily prescribing medications.
• They have zero loyalty/dedication to their co-workers or their employer.
• They abuse FMLA, bereavement and paid family leave (New York State) without batting an eye.

 

Again - I am generalizing, but each year it gets worse.  In a nutshell, they are lazy pieces of *****.

 

There are DEFINITELY exceptions ... but not many.

Is your most used phrase at work: You are fired? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

NEWSFLASH:

 

Almost everybody in society has entitlement and narcissistic tendencies.  It's individualistic culture that has been ramped up in the last 40 years.  Too many choices, too identity driven.  Most want to be special and treated special.  It's preached to us in everything.  Got an app?  Go to the front of the line!

[stuvian]

Millennials are the first generation to experience diminished economic prospects compared to their parents since the great depression. So everything is going to take longer and be harder for them. With diminished prospects come delayed starting of families or the complete avoidance of them. That spells cultural failure for the west. I don't blame this on millennials, it's a symptom of worsening economic prospects. 

 

Some millennials I meet seem incredibly entitled, immature, spoiled and self centred and others I meet are educated, polite, technologically savvy and way more together than I was at their age. 

 

If millennials are living in their parents basement, it's mostly due to poor job prospects and unfathomable real estate prices. All of these factors are not of their own making. 

 

Some millennials are being over indulged by their parents which is also not their own doing but it's something for which they will be disserviced.

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Millennials are the first generation to experience diminished economic prospects compared to their parents since the great depression. So everything is going to take longer and be harder for them. With diminished prospects come delayed starting of families or the complete avoidance of them. That spells cultural failure for the west. I don't blame this on millennials, it's a symptom of worsening economic prospects. 

 

Some millennials I meet seem incredibly entitled, immature, spoiled and self centred and others I meet are educated, polite, technologically savvy and way more together than I was at their age. 

 

If millennials are living in their parents basement, it's mostly due to poor job prospects and unfathomable real estate prices. All of these factors are not of their own making. 

 

Some millennials are being over indulged by their parents which is also not their own doing but it's something for which they will be disserviced.

Some of this I agree with!  

 

Yet... Just like the Great Depression, they have two feet, they can move.  I have a 20 year old house... Built in 1996 for $150K... It's worth $40k Less now.  I am close to Chicago market, there are jobs here.  It's in a decent, but 100 year old, town.  All new houses around it...

 

Deals can be had near where jobs are.

 

The economy is humming (slight sarcasm there).

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Is your most used phrase at work: You are fired? 

 

That's actually a myth; spread by multiple board pricks!  But believe me ... if I could find more who actually wanted to WORK, I'd fire more.

[Augie]

5 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

That's the problem. They don't. And it won't be around by the time we're old enough to use it. So we're essentially paying for Boomers retirement funds.

 

Since the government had been in charge of student loans for 20 years, and essentially had a monopoly, I think a fair compromise would be to eliminate, or at least severely reduce the interest on the loans. And from here on out, have student loans be on the free market. 

 

I get paid either way, so not really. Lol.

 

I will buy you many beers of your choice if you can make them stop calling our land line about all the student loans we don’t have! I’m thinking of getting rid of the land line due to the half dozen calls a day I get, and only about one a month I want. 

 

P.S. I don’t want to hear about my car warranty or my credit card rates either!   

[JohnC]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's actually a myth; spread by multiple board pricks!  But believe me ... if I could find more who actually wanted to WORK, I'd fire more.

As a boss you are tough but also fair. That's all one can ask for. By the way are you calling me a prick??? If you are do you mean it in a positive way?

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

As a boss you are tough but also fair. That's all one can ask for. By the way are you calling me a prick??? If you are do you mean it in a positive way?

 

I am ridiculously fair.  I spend about 10% of each week playing Dr. Phil.  I only get tough when I know I'm being taken advantage of.  

 

The biggest problem is that these kids are always looking for a bigger paycheck.  I get that.  We all want to make more money.  But they don't take into account things like having a flexible, empathetic manager.  And we give people 24 days of PTO to start.  That is unheard of.  Health benefits are insanely inexpensive and decent.  I pay less than $30/month for employee-only benefits.  

 

I have kids quitting so they can wait tables because they're bringing home more money each week during the summer.  They don't think big picture.  It's sad.

[GG]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Knock off the political crap!

 

Where else did you expect this topic to go?

[Augie]

19 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I am ridiculously fair.  I spend about 10% of each week playing Dr. Phil.  I only get tough when I know I'm being taken advantage of.  

 

The biggest problem is that these kids are always looking for a bigger paycheck.  I get that.  We all want to make more money.  But they don't take into account things like having a flexible, empathetic manager.  And we give people 24 days of PTO to start.  That is unheard of.  Health benefits are insanely inexpensive and decent.  I pay less than $30/month for employee-only benefits.  

 

 I have kids quitting so they can wait tables because they're bringing home more money each week during the summer.  They don't think big picture.  It's sad.

 

That’s not new. When I met my wife she had F&B roommates who brought home “a fortune” nightly, while my wife ate tomato sandwiches for lack of cash to do anything better. She stuck it out in the brokerage firm and then the bank, worked hard and played her cards wisely. 

 

Young people often have a hard time taking the long view. Bartending at Ruby Tuesdays will comfortably pay the rent, but it won’t get you on the corporate jet. (OK, that B word stole a cherished ring from my wife, given to her by her parents on her 16th DBay, which we saw on her finger at the bar, and I just may be a little bitter!!!) 

 

Now....deep breath....

 

 

.

 

I’m feeling better now, please excuse me. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Augie

[US Egg]

Is a millennial dollars like a lot of money ? 

[Dante]

14 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I think we are spoiled crybabies.

I'm a baby boomer. Used to look down on millennial's until I realized they weren't born that way. They were brought up that way. Hard to be angry at your own product. 

We gave them a out of control ever expanding, expensive, inefficient government and deficit. 

They received the full brunt of the PC psy op.

They received the full brunt of the drug/hippie culture so romanticized by boomers.

Unreasonable high tuition costs for useless degrees that they are told they need to get a decent job.

No wonder they hide in the old mans basement watching Star Trek

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, GG said:

 

Where else did you expect this topic to go?

I deleted my posts.  Nothing like talking about generations without getting political.  That's like launching a bottle rocket and hitting the moon.  Yeah, that will really work.

23 minutes ago, Dante said:

I'm a baby boomer. Used to look down on millennial's until I realized they weren't born that way. They were brought up that way. Hard to be angry at your own product. 

We gave them a out of control ever expanding, expensive, inefficient government and deficit. 

They received the full brunt of the PC psy op.

They received the full brunt of the drug/hippie culture so romanticized by boomers.

Unreasonable high tuition costs for useless degrees that they are told they need to get a decent job.

No wonder they hide in the old mans basement watching Star Trek

You forgot... Have a million + YouTube subscribers, make a ton of $$$ and think the earth is flat and believe humans never went to the moon.

 

Gotta love the influencers of future generations! And maybe some wack-a-doos from previous generations.

 

/smh

Edited July 31, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I deleted my posts.  Nothing like talking about generations without getting political.  That's like launching a bottle rocket and hitting the moon.  Yeah, that will really work.

 

You just need better bottle rockets......

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You just need better bottle rockets......

Ha!  I buying them from Krazy Kaplan in Dyer, Indiana... Think I need to switch to Phantom Fireworks in Hobart?  Maybe it's because I am launching them from Illinois, think they know I am bringing them over the state line? ??

[Augie]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Ha!  I buying them from Krazy Kaplan in Dyer, Indiana... Think I need to switch to Phantom Fireworks in Hobart?  Maybe it's because I am launching them from Illinois, think they know I am bringing them over the state line? ??

 

They are probably thinking you are buying them to reduce the carp population. Silly plan!  You get second hand junk! 

[mrags]

Idiots 

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Is a millennial dollars like a lot of money ? 

Only if it's bitcoin. 

[teef]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I am ridiculously fair.  I spend about 10% of each week playing Dr. Phil.  I only get tough when I know I'm being taken advantage of.  

 

The biggest problem is that these kids are always looking for a bigger paycheck.  I get that.  We all want to make more money.  But they don't take into account things like having a flexible, empathetic manager.  And we give people 24 days of PTO to start.  That is unheard of.  Health benefits are insanely inexpensive and decent.  I pay less than $30/month for employee-only benefits.  

 

I have kids quitting so they can wait tables because they're bringing home more money each week during the summer.  They don't think big picture.  It's sad.

this has become an issue in general, even with the older crowd.  in larger cities it's not uncommon to find waiters and bartenders with masters degrees that can't go into the field they're trained in because they just can't take the hit in pay.  

 

i do agree that it's short sighted though.  my wife was thinking along these lines recently. she's a school psychologist, and has been off for the last year because our son was born.  she starts this september, so both kids will go into day care.  expensive day care.  she has it in her head that all of her salary is just going into paying that expense, and she may as well stay home.  she just didn't consider her benefits, and through ny, they're pretty good.  we spend 30 bucks every pay period for outstanding medical insurance, ( i paid $1500 a month when hers ran out) and we max out her 403b.  over time, those are huge, not to mention daycare is temporary.  i get wanting to make more per check, but some don't get the bigger picture, (she was born in 83, so there's that).

[Ittakestime]

I think the "entitlement" narrative in regards to millennials is overplayed and lacks credence.

 

I was recently contracted to handle a pretty big labor dispute due to pensions going away.  The entitled group was not the millennials, it was these baby boomers.

 

When I was comparing the salaries within the organization, the baby boomers were making roughly 30% more than the millennials.  This was due to OT.  After a year in the organization, everyone was pretty much on even playing field in terms of base pay.  You add this up year after year, and it was just ridiculous how much more a baby boomer made over a millennial in a 5 year span due to OT distribution rules.  When it came time to cut pensions (lump sums were paid based on age and experience), the amount of cry babies for baby boomers was disgusting.  Millennials couldn't have been happier with what they were given during these cuts.  They were honestly just happy to still have a job to try and raise a family with.

 

In terms of managing the different people in my firm, I can't say enough great things about millennials.  Some really intelligent great people out there that actually like working with others.  Baby boomers will give zero time of day to anyone that isn't in the same age group.  Millennials on the other hand will help anyone with a smile.

[LeviF]

18 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I think labeling Gen X as bad parents is off.  I have a lot of friends my age raising kids.  They're all great kids; but that my simply mean that I hang around decent people.

 

I actually have a lot of hope for Gen Z.  Don't get me wrong, there's a bunch of little a-holes in my son's school.  But they hardly seem to be the majority.  I do worry that Gen X is raising kids to be extreme with their beliefs (both ways).

 

But I worry more about Millenials having/raising kids, because Millenials never get past headlines and social media.  They, too, will raise their kids to be extremists.

 

I think Gen X is more likely to empower their children with forming their own opinions and actually doing the research necessary to make informed decisions.  Again - that's mostly from my own experience and the experience of those close to me.

 

 

As you well know, despite us living only 40 miles or so apart we live in very different places.  I'm not gonna say your experience isn't valid, it probably is, and lil Gug sounds like a good kid.  But goddamn the schools I've been to here...it doesn't give me much to hope for, and that's before talking about the state of public (government) education nowadays.

 

That being said...

 

Gen Z is a wait and see sort of deal.  They're really young and came into the world while big media/Hollywood had its firmest grip on the national conversation ever.  But some of them are curious to a fault and I think could revive real journalism.  They're realizing that Facebook/Google/Disney/etc. have controlled everything that they've seen since they were very young and now demand more.  They look at the state of politics in this country and think it couldn't possibly have always been this way and want more from their government (in a good way). 

 

But then some of them are ****heads who only care about Fortnite and whatever some "influencer" with a giant ass is posting about that hour on Thirstagram.  Take the good with the bad I guess.

Edited July 31, 2019 by LeviF91

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

13 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I will buy you many beers of your choice if you can make them stop calling our land line about all the student loans we don’t have! I’m thinking of getting rid of the land line due to the half dozen calls a day I get, and only about one a month I want. 

 

P.S. I don’t want to hear about my car warranty or my credit card rates either!   

Hate to tell you this,  but I haven't had a landline in years. Still get them on my phone. One day, I got the call about the student loans. I pressed 1 just to see what happened, and they recording said "Please wait on the line for the next available auto warranty specialist." At least get your scams straight. 

13 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I am ridiculously fair.  I spend about 10% of each week playing Dr. Phil.  I only get tough when I know I'm being taken advantage of.  

 

The biggest problem is that these kids are always looking for a bigger paycheck.  I get that.  We all want to make more money.  But they don't take into account things like having a flexible, empathetic manager.  And we give people 24 days of PTO to start.  That is unheard of.  Health benefits are insanely inexpensive and decent.  I pay less than $30/month for employee-only benefits.  

 

I have kids quitting so they can wait tables because they're bringing home more money each week during the summer.  They don't think big picture.  It's sad.

When I worked at the call center you almost became my boss at, I was offered a supervisor position. It involved more hours, but salaried. If I worked sixty hours a week as an hourly employee, I would have made more money, so I turned it down. Looking back, I regret it.

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Hate to tell you this,  but I haven't had a landline in years. Still get them on my phone. One day, I got the call about the student loans. I pressed 1 just to see what happened, and they recording said "Please wait on the line for the next available auto warranty specialist." At least get your scams straight. 

When I worked at the call center you almost became my boss at, I was offered a supervisor position. It involved more hours, but salaried. If I worked sixty hours a week as an hourly employee, I would have made more money, so I turned it down. Looking back, I regret it.

 

That's a tough call for many people.  Your situation is very common.  An hourly employee who's qualified to be a supervisor normally makes a decent hourly wage and their OT would bump them above what an entry-level supervisor is making in salary.  It's an investment.  As the salary goes up, the 4%-5% yearly increases also go up; and most salaried employees are eligible for some sort of annual bonus.

[AllenLongBall]

Their parents are to blame for helicopter/bulldozing their childhood. So far millenials on the whole look rather useless to me. Someday they will be getting elected to political offices, so they'll have to grow up at some point.  Some people like to blame society at large for leaving them a mess of a world in which to make a life, but that is crap.  It has never been easier to make a life for yourself in this country.

[row_33]

So after this election is won by a Boomer, most likely....

 

which younger generation is most likely to fill in after the Boomers are extinct publicly?

 

 

 

[HeHateMe]

12 minutes ago, AllensBigBalls said:

Their parents are to blame for helicopter/bulldozing their childhood. So far millenials on the whole look rather useless to me. Someday they will be getting elected to political offices, so they'll have to grow up at some point.  Some people like to blame society at large for leaving them a mess of a world in which to make a life, but that is crap.  It has never been easier to make a life for yourself in this country.

 

Boomers had a way easier time with long term growth employment... able to pay for college on part time jobs too.  Tuition has skyrocketed and the value of a college degree has never been less.   

 

Our current, mostly all boomer politicians are worthless.  The younger generations are going to have to try and fix what they completely broke.    

[AllenLongBall]

35 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

 

Boomers had a way easier time with long term growth employment... able to pay for college on part time jobs too.  Tuition has skyrocketed and the value of a college degree has never been less.   

 

Our current, mostly all boomer politicians are worthless.  The younger generations are going to have to try and fix what they completely broke.    

 

The biggest misconception in today's society is the need for a 4 year degree from a $20k/year university.  This myth is perpetuated by academia as well as clueless parents steering their children down a path of debt. Academia + poor parenting + single mothers turning their children against their fathers is what's making life harder than necessary for millenials, especially young men. Also, trade schools being stigmatized is not helping either.  Much of the long term growth employment you speak of did not require a 4 year degree.

Edited July 31, 2019 by AllensBigBalls

[SoTier]

23 hours ago, unbillievable said:

The X-ers can be blamed for not caring enough to fix things before it got out of hand.

 

• They saw kids getting participation trophies and just laughed.
• They thought that re-cycling was enough to save the environment.
• They allowed diversity of skin to replace diversity of thought.
• They let music die.

 

 

You sound like the stereotypical reactionary Boomer lamenting that the best time in your life happened before you turned 35 and that everything that's changed/happened since is for the worse.   Get off your entitled arse and stop whining about people -- especially younger people --  who aren't as narrow-minded, bigoted and tone-deaf as you are.  Your reactionary BS gives all Boomers a bad name.

 

18 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

Generational generalizations are useless and just show a lack of intelligence to rationalize an entire generation based on a small sample size that you may know.

 

In saying that, anyone that gets a pension can never say anything bad about any other generation, especially when that pension comes after working 20-25 years.

 

There is nothing more eye rolling than when a 50 year old complains about how low their pension is and how they will need to pay for health insurance.

 

Try working for no pension and paying 10x boomers every had to pay for health insurance.

 

When someone asks for 50k out of college thats because that is what they need to live and still have to work for 35 years.  After putting 100 dollars a week for retirement, higher payroll taxes, 100 dollars a week for HC (which would be low), 150 a week towards student loans.

 

That 950 a week just turned into maybe 400 dollars for rent, car, eating, etc.  Try raising a family on that.

 

Love these middle aged folks that love to just expect the younger generation to work harder than them, with 1/4 the benefits they got, but don't let them hear you complain or you will be called the entitled crybaby. 

 

 

 

I agree.  I'm an early Boomer born in 1950, and frankly, the complaints I hear from many other people in my age cohort in regards to younger people, whether they're Gen X, Millenials, or Gen Z are embarrassing.  Not all Boomers are embittered old reactionaries but a lot of them are, probably because like Unbillievable they're stuck in the past because they remember "the good ol' days" like old photographs from the words of Paul Simon's "Kodachrome"  ...

    "They give us those nice bright colors
    They give us the greens of summers
    Makes you think all the world's a sunny day "

 

Times change, and nothing anybody does can stop it.  Any organism with the life-span longer than that of a fruit fly is likely going to have to figure out how to live in an altered world or suffer for it, and turning the clock back to some mythical better time in the past isn't an option.