Who Will Be Better in 2019 - The Bills or The Jets

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

With some luck,  smoke and mirrors.

 

Mularkey ... The Titans ?  Was that on a blown / controversial call where Mariota scored the winning TD late in the game?

Marrone ... The JagUars?  The 10-3 victory over the Turod led Buffalo Bills?

 

 

 

Better on Paper does not mean better on the field 

 

Really? Marrone is better on paper and on the field.  Marrone's Jags won 10 games in 2017, something the Bills haven't done in this century.  They not only beat the Bills in the WC game, they went into Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers 45-42 before losing to the Pats in Gillette when the Pats came back from a 10 point second half deficit to win 20-24.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Really? Marrone is better on paper and on the field.  Marrone's Jags won 10 games in 2017, something the Bills haven't done in this century.  They not only beat the Bills in the WC game, they went into Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers 45-42 before losing to the Pats in Gillette when the Pats came back from a 10 point second half deficit to win 20-24.

 

Marrone went 5-11 last year.  He'll be fired mid-season when Foles realizes he's not in Philly anymore.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

When looking at McD's 6 and 10 season I think it is important to remember that our OL was SO BAD that we literally were wondering WHEN not IF quarterbacks were going to get injuried....

 

 

And injured they were.....all except for Peterman who was just aweful.

 

I have high hopes for this years OL that they wont suck....which also means we might have a running game as well

 

This will factor into wins and losses

I like that we pretend McBeane was powerless to try and fix this.  

[LSHMEAB]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, and you’re far from the only one,  I hate the words like potential and upside, especially when talking about qbs.  Jamarcus Russell has potential. So did Hackenberg.  So does Tyree Jackson.  Problem is qb requires so much more than arm strength and being big.  Sam Darnold is a full year younger than Allen and produced on a bigger stage. I think he became overrated in college but still has shown he play in big time spots.  I pray I’m wrong but I feel he is just a better qb than Allen.  Obviously a lot of other factors come into play since it’s a team game but I think they have the advantage there.

Mahomes was awesome in college and had to carry one of the worst defenses in the country.  Maybe he would just be awesome anywhere.  

Every time I try to give Allen some credit, there you are!

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Every time I try to give Allen some credit, there you are!

I’m really not trying to knock him!  I love Allen’s attitude.  He just makes me nervous.  He like the really hot girl who cheated on every boyfriend she had.  You want to trust her but you can’t! 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m really not trying to knock him!  

 

Guffaw

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I like that we pretend McBeane was powerless to try and fix this.  

I think we were in the middle of a rebuild and he just decided to ride it out.

 

He went balls to the wall attempting to fix things this offseason

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m really not trying to knock him!  I love Allen’s attitude.  He just makes me nervous.  He like the really hot girl who cheated on every boyfriend she had.  You want to trust her but you can’t! 

Kind of odd that you would talk about a 2nd year player like that who was considered totally raw when he was drafted and needed to sit a year.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we were in the middle of a rebuild and he just decided to ride it out.

 

He went balls to the wall attempting to fix things this offseason

Going into the season with Allen and Peterman was dumb.  I’m sorry.  

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Going into the season with Allen and Peterman was dumb.  I’m sorry.  

I agree it was a mistake....but what were the legit choices at the time?

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I agree it was a mistake....but what were the legit choices at the time?

Sign any veteran qb off the scrap heap like we did with Anderson and Barkley.   Also, I think their evaluation of the receiver position has been horrible.  This needs to improve big team.  I wish they would have taken more steps to get a number 1 this offseason.  I feel like Daboll is trying to build a NE type offense and that’s not the qb Allen is.

[Cripple Creek]

Until @Jimmy Spagnola weighs in this thread is meaningless.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Until @Jimmy Spagnola weighs in this thread is meaningless.

 

I'd even take @Bleedingreennc's input

Edited July 24, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[Nick the Greek]

Just to remind everyone, we got completely mutilated by Baltimore. 

 

Yea yea, I know pick master Peterman was slinging the rock and the the team was vastly different than it is now, but I wouldn’t sleep on Balty. 

 

That said, let’s get some revenge for last season. 

[Putin]

On 7/22/2019 at 4:46 PM, Phil The Thrill said:

I was listening to One Bills Live that had an interview with Greg Cosell Of NFL Films.  He starts by evaluating Josh Allen’s film and Greg makes it sound like he’s a long way from being a good QB.

 

But the more interesting question came when Good Ol’ John Murphy asked Greg point blank - Who is better, The Jets or the Bills?  Ironically Greg danced around the question and wouldn’t answer it.  He said it hard to say and think the Jets could have the better offense and the Bills could have the better defense.  He thinks that the Bills have the edge in coaching considering but that Gase is a highly respect offensive mind.  He questions the Bills OL considering they could have 4 new starters.  

 

But I’ll throw this question out - who do you think will be better:  The Bills or The Jets?

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/audio/obl-7-19-bleacher-report-s-tyler-dunne-co-hosts-bills-2019-season-preview-with-g

All I can say  Allen better BE  motivated to prove EVERY ONE of those ( so called experts in the national & even local  media WRONG ) 

I hope we come out swinging week one , I’m tired of this same old formula- run the ball play good defense keep the score close , 

f@$! that I want to see empty backfield, 4 wide receiver sets and so on , I want to throw the ball even if we’re up by 27 points in the 4th Q , 

Lets Goooo Buffalo 

cant wait for week one !!!!

 

[whatdrought]

Here’s an interesting would you rather:

 

Would you rather Allen becomes a good QB, maybe goes to one or two pro-bowls and has a fine career over the next 15 years while Sam Darnold is a complete bust and is out of the league in 4 years and seen as more of a joke than butt-fumble, 

 

or would you rather Allen become a generational talent, one of the best to play in the 2020’s, but who forever lives in Darnolds shadow as Darnold becomes listed among Brady, Manning, and Montana as best to ever play.

 

 

[Bleedingreennc]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'd even take @Bleedingreennc's input

My dude!!!

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said:

My dude!!!

 

Thank you for your input. Very insightful.   ?

[teef]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Fair enough.... but if your going to say your not worried about Gase the same can be repeated about the Bills and McDermott to this point. 

 

ok.  i'm not sure why that matters, but i doubt anyone really fears playing the bills right now.

[GunnerBill]

19 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Other teams manage to find them ... the Eagles, the Colts, the Rams, the Bears ...  Hell, the Chargers hired former Bills assistant and interim HC Anthony Lynn whom the Bills inteviewed but rejected for McDermott.

 

 

A decision I continue to believe was the right one.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Really? Marrone is better on paper and on the field.  Marrone's Jags won 10 games in 2017, something the Bills haven't done in this century.  They not only beat the Bills in the WC game, they went into Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers 45-42 before losing to the Pats in Gillette when the Pats came back from a 10 point second half deficit to win 20-24.

Oh my.   Either you want to twist my words and change the story or you are misreading posts.

 

On paper PLAYERS can look better as individuals, and not play well as a team.  

 

What was Marones record early in 2017 before the Jaguars hired Tom Coughlin?    .500  (and with a top 5 defense) 

What was Marones record this past  2018 season?   5 and 11

 

Now they have signed Nick Foles to "save" the franchise.     If Foles fails, I expect Marrone to get fired. 

 

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They not only beat the Bills in the WC game,

thats the SAD part.  --  Tyrod Freaking Taylor was out played by Bortles 

Edited July 24, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Phil The Thrill]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Oh my.   Either you want to twist my words and change the story or you are misreading posts.

 

On paper PLAYERS can look better as individuals, and not play well as a team.  

 

What was Marones record early in 2017 before the Jaguars hired Tom Coughlin?    .500  (and with a top 5 defense) 

What was Marones record this past  2018 season?   5 and 11

 

Now they have signed Nick Foles to "save" the franchise.     If Foles fails, I expect Marrone to get fired. 

 

thats the SAD part.  --  Tyrod Freaking Taylor was out played by Bortles 

 

Slightly.... but that is nothing to write home about. Defense was the difference in that game.  The Bills gave up a TD on the goal line.  The Jags didn’t 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Slightly.... but that is nothing to write home about. Defense was the difference in that game.  The Bills gave up a TD on the goal line.  The Jags didn’t 

Why did the Bills lose?  Because Tyrod Freaking Taylor sucks!!!   3 damn points!

 

 

 

 

 

 

You'd think it was this past Super Bowls Halftime score 

 

[sullim4]

To me, the big difference is Adam Gase.  He strikes me as a Greggo-type of coach - he's got a big ego and won't be able to rally the troops through tough times.  He's a good coordinator but a poor head coach.

 

I think he'll be the main reason why the Jets implode.

[Johnnycage46]

14 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Here’s an interesting would you rather:

 

Would you rather Allen becomes a good QB, maybe goes to one or two pro-bowls and has a fine career over the next 15 years while Sam Darnold is a complete bust and is out of the league in 4 years and seen as more of a joke than butt-fumble, 

 

or would you rather Allen become a generational talent, one of the best to play in the 2020’s, but who forever lives in Darnolds shadow as Darnold becomes listed among Brady, Manning, and Montana as best to ever play.

 

 

 

If the 2nd scenario includes Allen and the Bills winning a (or more) Super Bowls...then I don't care if Darnold becomes the best QB of all time...we already have that in this division with Brady.  If the Bills win Super Bowl nothing else matters.

[The Jokeman]

On 7/22/2019 at 6:18 PM, Big C said:

I really don't know what people saw in Darnold last year that makes them think he's so far ahead of Allen.

He made that one pass that beat the Bills after Allen outplayed for most of that game we lost last season. That said I think Allen has more upside than Darnold based on what I saw last year. Give me the Bills and Allen all day

[Chuck Wagon]

I lost my fantasy football playoffs because an injured DeAndre Hopkins went for 10-170-2 against the Jets.  They didn't address corner in the offseason.  That's all I have to say about the offseason hype on the Jets.

[krf139]

We have a "process" that we need to trust.  Can't wait until we are 2-4, the Jets 5-1, and we hear about the "process."  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, krf139 said:

We have a "process" that we need to trust.  Can't wait until we are 2-4, the Jets 5-1, and we hear about the "process."  

you have that Assbackwards 

 

NYETS - 

Bills, Browns, @ Patriots, @ Eagles,  Cowboys and Patriots 

 

LOL  No the NYETS won't be 5-1

Edited July 24, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Why did the Bills lose?  Because Tyrod Freaking Taylor sucks!!!   3 damn points!

 

 

 

 

 

 

You'd think it was this past Super Bowls Halftime score 

 

 

No doubt...Tyrod was terrible.  Average QB play and the Bills win the game

[teef]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

you have that Assbackwards 

 

NYETS - 

Bills, Browns, @ Patriots, @ Eagles,  Cowboys and Patriots 

 

LOL  No the NYETS won't be 5-1

that's a tough opening stretch.  they're in the position that they need to win their first two games to have much hope too.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, teef said:

that's a tough opening stretch.  they're in the position that they need to win their first two games to have much hope too.

 

And they're missing their best offensive weapon for the first four games.

 

So sad.

 

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And they're missing their best offensive weapon for the first four games.

 

So sad.

 

 

anything that hurts the jets makes me happy.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And they're missing their best offensive weapon for the first four games.

 

So sad.

 

 

Le'Veon Bell got suspended? When?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Le'Veon Bell got suspended? When?

 

I think bell will disappoint.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I think bell will disappoint.

I agree with you but he's clearly the best thing the Jets have on offense. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I agree with you but he's clearly the best thing the Jets have on offense. 

 

Idk. That tight end was a matchup nightmare

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And they're missing their best offensive weapon for the first four games.

 

So sad.

 

 

And their Rookie(s) are holding out 

 

 

3 minutes ago, teef said:

anything that hurts the jets makes me happy.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Oh my.   Either you want to twist my words and change the story or you are misreading posts.

 

On paper PLAYERS can look better as individuals, and not play well as a team.  

 

What was Marones record early in 2017 before the Jaguars hired Tom Coughlin?    .500  (and with a top 5 defense) 

What was Marones record this past  2018 season?   5 and 11

 

Now they have signed Nick Foles to "save" the franchise.     If Foles fails, I expect Marrone to get fired. 

 

thats the SAD part.  --  Tyrod Freaking Taylor was out played by Bortles 

 

Marrone was 1-1 as the interim before they hired Coughlin. He was only made official as HC after Coughlin arrived. I prefer McDermott don't get me wrong but Marrone is a decent Head Coach he doesn't belong in the Jauron, Mularkey, Gailey list. 

19 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Idk. That tight end was a matchup nightmare

 

The Tight End is a good player. As is Robby Anderson. And Onunwa And Crowder. The Jets weapons are good. The question is their line. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Marrone was 1-1 as the interim before they hired Coughlin. He was only made official as HC after Coughlin arrived. I prefer McDermott don't get me wrong but Marrone is a decent Head Coach he doesn't belong in the Jauron, Mularkey, Gailey list. 

 

The Tight End is a good player. As is Robby Anderson. And Onunwa And Crowder. The Jets weapons are good. The question is their line. 

 

Enunwa and crowder are meh, IMO.

 

Anderson's good.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Marrone was 1-1 as the interim before they hired Coughlin. He was only made official as HC after Coughlin arrived. I prefer McDermott don't get me wrong but Marrone is a decent Head Coach he doesn't belong in the Jauron, Mularkey, Gailey list. 

he was interim because the team sucked.  

 

For some reason  I thought  Coughlin came in or was given a new roll mid season 

 

the team sucked in 2016

the team got Lucky (Luck was injured) in 2017

the team sucked again in 2018

Edited July 24, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan