Richie Incognito Suspended 2 Games

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I guess wanting to cut your dead dad's head off at a funeral has consequences?

 

? who knew?

[Nuncha]

He "unretired" to be suspended.  Sounds just like something he would do.  He had to know it was coming.

[JoPar_v2]

6 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

He "unretired" to be suspended.  Sounds just like something he would do.  He had to know it was coming.

 

You’re giving him too much credit.

[eball]

I think Richie is misunderstood and really just needs someone to give him a chance.

[simpleman]

i don't get the logic. The man was obviously mentally ill at the time. He is being suspended for being mentally ill. That is different from choosing to beat your wife,  or choosing to drink and drive. If he is still mentally ill,  then don't let him play the game. That makes sense. Judge him medically unfit and don't let him play. You don't punish someone for being ill. What a message the NFL is sending about dealing with mental illness. A suspension is a punishment. Punishing someone for a mental illness does not provide a deterrent, you don't choose to get ill. You declare him still ill and get him help. Punishment is inappropriate, and is it even legal?

 

Edited July 13, 2019 by simpleman

[fansince88]

14 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

So the guy that got the DUI in January gets knocked for 4, and Richie, who menaced a funeral home full of people and threatened to desecrate a corpse, gets 2. More stellar work by Goodell. His dumb*** is still out here throwing darts.

 

Before I get called out - I am not minimizing DUI - it’s incredibly stupid and dangerous and four games is entirely warranted.

Agree!

That said, this is not Richie's first offence.

[cd1]

39 minutes ago, simpleman said:

i don't get the logic. The man was obviously mentally ill at the time. He is being suspended for being mentally ill. That is different from choosing to beat your wife,  or choosing to drink and drive. If he is still mentally ill,  then don't let him play the game. That makes sense. Judge him medically unfit and don't let him play. You don't punish someone for being ill. What a message the NFL is sending about dealing with mental illness. A suspension is a punishment. Punishing someone for a mental illness does not provide a deterrent, you don't choose to get ill. You declare him still ill and get him help. Punishment is inappropriate, and is it even legal?

 

Regardless of "mental illness", Richie threatened an establishment full of people with weapons.  Forget the ***** father's head thing. Without the weapon thing, he would have simply been hauled off for a psych e v a l.  Richie's mental illness tends to express itself in danger to others (see gym incidence).   Unfortunately,  someone (Raiders) still believe that they can still make $$$$$$$ off of this guy before he goes totally POSTAL.  

Edited July 13, 2019 by cd1

[eball]

4 minutes ago, cd1 said:

Regardless of "mental illness", Richie threatened an establishment full of people with weapons.  Forget the ***** father's head thing. Without the weapon thing, he would have simply been hauled off for a psych e v a l.  Richie's mental illness tends to express itself in danger to others (see gym incidence).   Unfortunately,  someone (Raiders) still believe that they can still make $$$$$$$ off of this guy before he goes totally POSTAL.  

 

No schitt. The guy might literally snap an opponent’s leg in two out there if he is rubbed the wrong way.

[aristocrat]

Richie seems to have balanced out his meds.  Hope all goes well for him

[vorpma]

14 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Congrats on your first time being right then! ?

I was going to offer you the same congrats for finally hitting it!

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

So the guy that got the DUI in January gets knocked for 4, and Richie, who menaced a funeral home full of people and threatened to desecrate a corpse, gets 2. More stellar work by Goodell. His dumb*** is still out here throwing darts.

 

Before I get called out - I am not minimizing DUI - it’s incredibly stupid and dangerous and four games is entirely warranted.

"desecrate a corpse" is a bit much since he wanted his father's head for testing.  

For the rest I assume you saw same reports as Goodell to be throw darts at him?

 

16 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

May well be the first time in forum history that a moderator gives himself a ‘time out’ for questionable taste...

MODs can do no wrong.  They can protect trolls banning players who attack posters but trolls do same thing first.  

You may be banned for your post.  Hopefully it is only until games start.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, simpleman said:

i don't get the logic. The man was obviously mentally ill at the time. He is being suspended for being mentally ill. That is different from choosing to beat your wife,  or choosing to drink and drive. If he is still mentally ill,  then don't let him play the game. That makes sense. Judge him medically unfit and don't let him play. You don't punish someone for being ill. What a message the NFL is sending about dealing with mental illness. A suspension is a punishment. Punishing someone for a mental illness does not provide a deterrent, you don't choose to get ill. You declare him still ill and get him help. Punishment is inappropriate, and is it even legal?

 

 

 

Say what??  All the time.  You have to be familiar with his history by now, no?

 

Anyway,  My guess is that the NFL doesn't want him playing but there is little they can do if a team signs him, but they have no mechanism to prevent him from playing.  They can't force him to undergo psychiatric evaluation.  And even if they did, it is almost certain that such an evaluation would not say he is unfit to play.

 

So they are stuck with him.  They only have suspensions and the pressure of other owners to blackball him.

 

[Rocky Landing]

4 hours ago, simpleman said:

i don't get the logic. The man was obviously mentally ill at the time. He is being suspended for being mentally ill. That is different from choosing to beat your wife,  or choosing to drink and drive. If he is still mentally ill,  then don't let him play the game. That makes sense. Judge him medically unfit and don't let him play. You don't punish someone for being ill. What a message the NFL is sending about dealing with mental illness. A suspension is a punishment. Punishing someone for a mental illness does not provide a deterrent, you don't choose to get ill. You declare him still ill and get him help. Punishment is inappropriate, and is it even legal?

 

I doubt this is even workable. Is there a clause in the CBA to mentally evaluate players? Can you require a player to submit to a mental evaluation? Can the NFL set emotional, or mental standards for a franchise's players? Can the NFL arbitrarily set a threshold for what they consider mentally ill? Plus, talk about a slippery slope!

[bigK14094]

Richie can play alright, but, is to erratic to justify a roster spot.  Buffalo was fortunate....I think Eric Wood kept Richie on an even keel when Richie was here....and he lacks that kind of help now.  Too bad, there are some people you can't help. (and the Pegs certainly tried to help richie)

[Locomark]

Richie punching holes in his 90 year old grandma's walls...this guy is a head case. 

[row_33]

6 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I doubt this is even workable. Is there a clause in the CBA to mentally evaluate players? Can you require a player to submit to a mental evaluation? Can the NFL set emotional, or mental standards for a franchise's players? Can the NFL arbitrarily set a threshold for what they consider mentally ill? Plus, talk about a slippery slope!

 

You are always fine until you can’t execute out there.

 

 

[Rocket94]

When is this guy going to grow up? Get it over with. Get a Harley and ride with a biker gang.Or has he done that already. Perfect team for him. What exactly is his clinical diagnosis? 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Rocket94

[Matt_In_NH]

20 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

So the guy that got the DUI in January gets knocked for 4, and Richie, who menaced a funeral home full of people and threatened to desecrate a corpse, gets 2. More stellar work by Goodell. His dumb*** is still out here throwing darts.

 

Before I get called out - I am not minimizing DUI - it’s incredibly stupid and dangerous and four games is entirely warranted.

 

Apples and oranges.  You have the opinion what he did is worse than DUI, and you seem to think everyone else will think that too except Goodell.  But that is where you are wrong, I get he has had issues but someone going off the deep end at his fathers funeral deserves some consideration.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

Apples and oranges.  You have the opinion what he did is worse than DUI, and you seem to think everyone else will think that too except Goodell.  But that is where you are wrong, I get he has had issues but someone going off the deep end at his fathers funeral deserves some consideration.

 

Thank you Mr Freud

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

Apples and oranges.  You have the opinion what he did is worse than DUI, and you seem to think everyone else will think that too except Goodell.  But that is where you are wrong, I get he has had issues but someone going off the deep end at his fathers funeral deserves some consideration.

 

When going "off the deep end," includes threatening to shoot people and expressing the desire to cut his deceased father's head off, I think the only considerations should be to make sure he never owns any firearms (which he still does) and to get him psychologically evaluated and treated.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

and to get him psychologically evaluated and treated...

...and signed to the Raiders.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, mattynh said:

 

Apples and oranges.  You have the opinion what he did is worse than DUI, and you seem to think everyone else will think that too except Goodell.  But that is where you are wrong, I get he has had issues but someone going off the deep end at his fathers funeral deserves some consideration.

he had  trunk load of weapons. all legally owned. and threatened to use them
dui is usually a passive transgression.
apples and oranges indeed.

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

...and signed to the Raiders.

wins the day !!

laughed out loud.

in a sad way of course

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...guy needs Bob Vila.....

[Rocket94]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...guy needs Bob Vila.....

Ha! pronounced 'vee la! very therapeutic!

Edited July 13, 2019 by Rocket94

[Matt_In_NH]

44 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

dui is usually a passive transgression.

 

"Usually"

 

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaireddriver. This is one death every 50 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

"Usually"

 

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaireddriver. This is one death every 50 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion.

my point was not about the severity. and certainly not monetary connotation. because that does not nearly cover the humanity of a death to a loved one
Richie is an aggressive personality who can go off at the flick of a switch it seems.
Drunk drivers are usually habitual drunk drivers getting by without notice till something bad happens.
I knew a fellow who had 5 DWI in NY. and was still drinking and driving.
 he had no aggressive tendencies and was predictable, seems easy to shut that down doesn't it? 
 

 and he should have been.

 But the violent ones are harder to predict.
you never know what sets them off.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

my point was not about the severity. and certainly not monetary connotation. because that does not nearly cover the humanity of a death to a loved one
Richie is an aggressive personality who can go off at the flick of a switch it seems.
Drunk drivers are usually habitual drunk drivers getting by without notice till something bad happens.
I knew a fellow who had 5 DWI in NY. and was still drinking and driving.
 he had no aggressive tendencies and was predictable, seems easy to shut that down doesn't it? 
 

 and he should have been.

 But the violent ones are harder to predict.
you never know what sets them off.

 

I agree he is a maniac.   But passing judgement on sentences does not work in the NFL or in the judicial system.  Murderers and pedophile get out of prison (or do no time) while someone found with a large amount of pot does life.

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

"Usually"

 

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaireddriver. This is one death every 50 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion.

and where is that number derived from ? 44 billion.
what cost are you speaking of ?

i am not dismissing the issue of impaired driving by any means. its absurd.

 but should we talk about drivers and phones etc. 

Alcoholism is a disease that can be treated. so is bipolar. But they are not equal.

 I hope i have not offended you. I have friends die from both

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

and where is that number derived from ? 44 billion.
what cost are you speaking of ?

i am not dismissing the issue of impaired driving by any means. its absurd.

 but should we talk about drivers and phones etc. 

 Alcoholism is a disease that can be treated. so is bipolar. But they are not equal.

  I hope i have not offended you. I have friends die from both

 

Yeah phones are a problem too.    

[3rdand12]

Just now, mattynh said:

 

I agree he is a maniac.   But passing judgement on sentences does not work in the NFL or in the judicial system.  Murderers and pedophile get out of prison (or do no time) while someone found with a large amount of pot does life.

we agree on the unbalanced nature of course corrections our Local governments employ.
 I should have just spoken about Cogs condition and gone no further.

 my apologies Mattynh

[Matt_In_NH]

28 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

we agree on the unbalanced nature of course corrections our Local governments employ.
 I should have just spoken about Cogs condition and gone no further.

 my apologies Mattynh

no need to apologize, but this is something that comes up all the time.   At one point it was Ray Rice gets 2 games for knocking his fiance out and Tom Brady gets four games for not cooperating with Goodell.  And many others, whenever you try and compare crimes and punishment it gets very subjective.   

[JoPar_v2]

4 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

Apples and oranges.  You have the opinion what he did is worse than DUI, and you seem to think everyone else will think that too except Goodell.  But that is where you are wrong, I get he has had issues but someone going off the deep end at his fathers funeral deserves some consideration.

 

Lol yet another joker with his head in the sand defending this guy. Why? Because he played for the Bills? Is that why you completely ignore all of this guy’s other transgressions and explain away the funeral home as just a natural reaction to guilt? What about the gym incident where poor richie was threatening people with weights and claiming the NSA was beaming secrets into his brain?My god. Either you’re a disingenuous homer or you’re deeply uninformed. Sad either way.

[Bing Bong]

Is this from something specific and recent or just generally being a lunatic all last year lol

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Lol yet another joker with his head in the sand defending this guy. Why? Because he played for the Bills? Is that why you completely ignore all of this guy’s other transgressions and explain away the funeral home as just a natural reaction to guilt? What about the gym incident where poor richie was threatening people with weights and claiming the NSA was beaming secrets into his brain?My god. Either you’re a disingenuous homer or you’re deeply uninformed. Sad either way.

Read all my posts clown.  Then honk your nose a couple times.  

Edited July 13, 2019 by mattynh

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Lol yet another joker with his head in the sand defending this guy. Why? Because he played for the Bills? Is that why you completely ignore all of this guy’s other transgressions and explain away the funeral home as just a natural reaction to guilt? What about the gym incident where poor richie was threatening people with weights and claiming the NSA was beaming secrets into his brain?My god. Either you’re a disingenuous homer or you’re deeply uninformed. Sad either way.

I'm sorry. I know you probably don't realize it, but you have lost a lot of credibility with this post-- at least in this thread. 

[JoPar_v2]

18 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I'm sorry. I know you probably don't realize it, but you have lost a lot of credibility with this post-- at least in this thread. 

 

Well at least I had some to begin with. I do fail to see where I said anything untrue. Grief is no excuse - countless people deal with death everyday, and do so in a dignified manner. On top of that, Richie is a recidivist who has gotten away with a lot of things with little or no punishment, this episode being just the latest example. And finally, Roger Goodell and his underlings have proven to be completely incompetent when dealing with player discipline, with arbitrary standards that are abandoned as soon as they’re established (remember the “6 game minimum” rule after the Ray Rice fiasco? Because Roger sure don’t.)

 

anyways thanks for your input.

Edited July 14, 2019 by JoPar_v2

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

8 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Well at least I had some to begin with. I do fail to see where I said anything untrue. Grief is no excuse - countless people deal with death everyday, and do so in a dignified manner. On top of that, Richie is a recidivist who has gotten away with a lot of things with little or no punishment, this episode being just the latest example. And finally, Roger Goodell and his underlings have proven to be completely incompetent when dealing with player discipline, with arbitrary standards that are abandoned as soon as their established (remember the “6 game minimum” rule after the Ray Rice fiasco? Because Roger sure don’t.)

 

anyways thanks for your input.

question is, how does it really affect your life? it seems it has in some form of the way since you have been so concerned about his condition, career and his life over all. so I ask, why does it bother you so much?

 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

On 7/12/2019 at 4:31 PM, BillsRdue said:

He's lucky it's just 2. He went off the deep end. Wondering how strong he comes back.

I loved him as a player. He's a masher on the line. As a person he certainly has shown his true colors. As a person with mental illness he needs to be monitored, treated and helped.

Edited July 17, 2019 by BuffaloMatt

[Rocket94]

How many employers are this tolerant? Real world translation means the unenjoyment line.

[Doc]

I’m just glad he worked hard and stayed out of trouble while he was with the Bills. It would’ve been nice to get another year out of him but it wasn’t meant to be. Not the Bills’ problem anymore.