Interesting; Ed Reeds comments about Wrecks & Aj Williams and Jerry Hughes comments

[Mark80]

He is completely right and I'm not really understanding all the hate on one of the greatest secondary players of all-time.  It is clear that Rex ruined a very talented defense.  First of all, a great leader coaches to their players ability and puts them in the best position possible to succeed.  Instead, he tried to force them to play his way when the roster was not built that way at all.  Remember Mario Williams dropping in coverage anyone?  Second, his schemes were complex and confusing to the secondary especially.  How many times were guys left completely wide open and them Gilmore turns around with his arms out basically saying WTF happened to my help?  If I can see it easily on TV, and if your highly respected, HOF coach is saying it to you, shouldn't you maybe listen and make some adjustments?  Rex ruined a good team.  But I'm glad it happened, otherwise we wouldn't be sitting where we are today and I think that's a very good place to be.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Mark80

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

I like how he says he was  known as the Goat.? Does he put that on his resume?

‘GOAT’ in the same meaning as Charlie Brown trying to steal home...(the blockhead!)  ?

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Ed Reed?? Come on.  Dude had a cup of coffee in Buffalo.  Dead in the water since.  Rex did him a HUGE solid by tossing him a coaching job he had no business getting.

 

 

A possible GOAT isn’t worthy of being an ASSISTANT DB coach?  Come on.  He wasn’t THE db coach.  He was an assistant.  The reports that he was the pied piper, all the DBs following him around like a puppy dog.  Dudes interviews were great.  I listened to an assistant db coaches interviews.  Never before or after.  He IS db knowledge.  

 

Knowing how to coach isn’t the same as knowing how to play, no doubt.....but to say he had no business being an assistant Db coach is a bit much imo

[Rampage]

After he got fired from the Jets he lost his passion. You could tell the difference on the sidelines with us vs the Jets. He put his heart and soul into that team, I mean they went to the conference championship with Mark Sanchez of all people.

 

Buffalo he came to cash cheques.

[NoSaint]

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

A possible GOAT isn’t worthy of being an ASSISTANT DB coach?  Come on.  He wasn’t THE db coach.  He was an assistant.  The reports that he was the pied piper, all the DBs following him around like a puppy dog.  Dudes interviews were great.  I listened to an assistant db coaches interviews.  Never before or after.  He IS db knowledge.  

 

Knowing how to coach isn’t the same as knowing how to play, no doubt.....but to say he had no business being an assistant Db coach is a bit much imo

 

Ultimately, I think it comes down to the question of was he able to humble himself enough to be the low man on the coaching totem pole instead of the top dog of the players. 

 

The interview certainly didnt didn’t prove he undermined the coaches, but it sure did make me wonder if he might’ve at times. It’s a tough spot, but for all his knowledge if he didn’t know how to effectively manage his new position he might not have been a good choice. You have to think Rex brought him in to be a fierce advocate of the coaches that players would respect. Are you confident he filled that position? After reading this, I’m not sure.

[BringBackOrton]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Rex Ryan was the biggest and most obvious mistake in the last 20 years of Bills futility. I saw the ex who I was with at the time of the hiring for coffee the other day and it is something we joked about was my reaction when that news broke that the Bills were hiring Ryan. I literally lost my ***** for about 10 minutes and just ranted. She doesn't follow the NFL but she knows three things: 1. The Patriots are good. 2. Rex Ryan sucks. 3. Jimmy G is hot. 

 

 

We had the debate on whether or not to fire Rex after his first year. It was clear he was a failure. Lots of folks said “it’s not done in the NFL.” Welp, Arizona just did it, and their future is still pretty bright.

 

Never double down on a mistake. Especially in a league like the NFL where your window is short. Hopefully the Pegulas have learned.

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Ultimately, I think it comes down to the question of was he able to humble himself enough to be the low man on the coaching totem pole instead of the top dog of the players. 

 

The interview certainly didnt didn’t prove he undermined the coaches, but it sure did make me wonder if he might’ve at times. It’s a tough spot, but for all his knowledge if he didn’t know how to effectively manage his new position he might not have been a good choice. You have to think Rex brought him in to be a fierce advocate of the coaches that players would respect. Are you confident he filled that position? After reading this, I’m not sure.

I’m confident that hiring Ed Reed as an assistant db coach wasn’t unwarranted.  The players loved Ed.  Maybe he was malcontent when his advice was taken by the other coaches but maybe it should’ve been?  Results show the coaching staff didn’t know their heads from theirs *****.  Maybe Ed was a bad fit, I just don’t think he’s u worthy of being given a shot as an assistant db coach considering his pedigree

 

Who is our assistant db coach now?  We don’t have one.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

Points 1 and 2 are what they are but I think point  3 is what made her your ex.  Have you considered how it made her feel knowing about your Jimmy G fantasies?  Keep that stuff to yourself dude.

 

Nah she was cool with my man crushes. 

[3rdnlng]

16 hours ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

Rex being gone before 5 o'clock was a big problem!

He didn't have any choice. That bicycle built for two couldn't be handled by just his brother and his brother had to get to El Canelo for the early bird special.

[LabattBlue]

Rex is gone.  Reed is gone.  Who cares now?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

25 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Rex is gone.  Reed is gone.  Who cares now?

I hear ya—but it’s good to keep a reference baseline to never lose sight of where we don’t want to go back to—kind of along the lines of, whatever that group was doing, do the exact opposite? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Rex is gone.  Reed is gone.  Who cares now?

Lord, we do like to keep swiping at that (well deserved) target, don’t we?  ?

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’m confident that hiring Ed Reed as an assistant db coach wasn’t unwarranted.  The players loved Ed.  Maybe he was malcontent when his advice was taken by the other coaches but maybe it should’ve been?  Results show the coaching staff didn’t know their heads from theirs *****.  Maybe Ed was a bad fit, I just don’t think he’s u worthy of being given a shot as an assistant db coach considering his pedigree

 

Who is our assistant db coach now?  We don’t have one.

 

It can be a tough spot as a middle manager for a bad leader. Especially if he brought you in to be a culture bearer for his system and you don’t actually believe in it. 

 

On your note- it wasn’t outside the box to hire him. But how many assistant position coaches come out dogging leadership for not knowing the game and not listening to them because they are the GOAT? It loops into the long running debate of whether a guy like Peyton Manning would be a good coach. Knowing the game is different than knowing how to teach, being a second or third tier contributor to a meeting room instead of a guy that’s followed blindly, etc.... 

 

[Nuncha]

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Edited May 11, 2019 by Azucho98

[JustWinPlease]

People still care about Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan and Ed Reed? Ugh.

[Mr. WEO]

I was Rex's biggest critic, but Ed Reed was a huge favor.  He should STFU and enjoy his retirement.  No one took him seriously as a coach.  Why would they be impressed with his thoughts now?

 

See you in Canton Ed.  Hope you saved all that green.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

It can be a tough spot as a middle manager for a bad leader. Especially if he brought you in to be a culture bearer for his system and you don’t actually believe in it. 

 

First note———On your note- it wasn’t outside the box to hire him. But how many assistant position coaches come out dogging leadership for not knowing the game and not listening to them because they are the GOAT?

 

2nd topic——-It loops into the long running debate of whether a guy like Peyton Manning would be a good coach. Knowing the game is different than knowing how to teach, being a second or third tier contributor to a meeting room instead of a guy that’s followed blindly, etc.... 

 

First topic-  Rex was a Buffoon.  He saw first hand how terrible he was.  He.commented on it. Not sure I wouldn’t if I were him. It may be a factor in Reed not ever becoming a good

coach.....but to give a GOAT his first coaching opportunity as an assistant position coach isn’t unwarranted.  

 

2nd-  agreed, you never know how these guys are going to do, but why not roll the dice as an assistant position coach.  He’s not

in charge. He’s there to pass on knowledge that some of these coaches may not even be aware of.  If I’m a DB, I’d like to know what Ed Reed is keying on.  Maybe not as a Dc or even position coach, but having his brain in the room is something I’d roll the dice on.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 5/10/2019 at 7:39 PM, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

http://billsmafia.com/2019/05/10/ed-reed-shines-light-why-rex-ryan-defense-failed-in-buffalo/

 

“Love the city of Buffalo. I’m going to come back and visit sometime. It was a great time. We didn’t have the staff to make Buffalo successful as I thought we could have. I thought we had a great team collectively, but it was a matter of the coaching staff being a cohesive group.”

“I’m learning a lot about coaching in the NFL. I played for 12 years in this league. I was known as a ‘GOAT’ and don’t get any respect from coaches that just coach a game. There’s a lot of stuff in the world that has rubbed off on the NFL in business and the way they run it – hiring people that are not even qualified.”

“That’s the mind-boggling to me. I know about coaches pride and all of that stuff, egos and everything – but I just can’t believe that you wouldn’t want players on your staff that played the game. They can help your players because when I was in Buffalo – and you know all the mistakes we were having – that was communication issues.”

“I played the game so I was there (presumably he means in Buffalo) to try to help simplify things but my suggestions were never taken – so it was very frustrating for me very early in my coaching career when your opinion is not taken seriously.”

 

This can be true BUT many times great players dont make great or even good coaches. Hopefully Ed does both.

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

On 5/10/2019 at 5:17 PM, SinceThe70s said:

 

Thanks, good points, wasn't challenging you. 

 

On top of that Reed played for Rex, Rex brought him to Buffalo and three years later he's calling out Rex's staff when he hasn't had a coaching job since. Not a good look.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, if it's been 3 years, and he hasn't gotten a job, maybe it was time for him to distance himself from Wrex Wyan? 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 5/10/2019 at 8:12 PM, Misterbluesky said:

He needed to hit Chestnut Ridge Park to take pictures of his wife's feet during the sunset hours for the perfect look.The woman has pretty toes..no bunions..full rainbow of polishes...

Don't act like you don't enjoy looking at pictures like that...

Something tells me coach McD has no interest in his wife's feet?

?

11 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

This can be true BUT many times great players dont make great or even good coaches. Hopefully Ed does both.

 

 

I dont think many great players try.  They have already lived their legacy and may even be footballed out.  But, not all people have the communication skills to coach.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

It can be a tough spot as a middle manager for a bad leader. Especially if he brought you in to be a culture bearer for his system and you don’t actually believe in it. 

 

On your note- it wasn’t outside the box to hire him. But how many assistant position coaches come out dogging leadership for not knowing the game and not listening to them because they are the GOAT? It loops into the long running debate of whether a guy like Peyton Manning would be a good coach. Knowing the game is different than knowing how to teach, being a second or third tier contributor to a meeting room instead of a guy that’s followed blindly, etc....

 

To be fair, I think Reed's intent wasn't widespread dogging leadership.  There were specific communication issues that he felt he had insight about how to solve, having been in the position of being that guy on the field trying to get the communication and figure out his assignment on each play.  So Reed thought he had ideas about how to improve, and didn't like seeing the ideas persist AND his ideas be discounted.  Media likes to create a narrative then we all run with it.

 

Of course, I totally agree with you that too often, folks are all over wanting a great player to coach (Kelly should coach!  Manning should coach!) when truth is, a great player is often the worst coach because they may do things and see things instinctively and have may have no idea what they're actually seeing and doing, much less how to break it down and teach it.

[MJS]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I was Rex's biggest critic, but Ed Reed was a huge favor.  He should STFU and enjoy his retirement.  No one took him seriously as a coach.  Why would they be impressed with his thoughts now?

 

See you in Canton Ed.  Hope you saved all that green.

All the players seem to agree with him. Doesn't make him a great coach, but it shows that there was a disconnect and turbulence between the players and coaches. Ed Reed recognized the problem, which probably anyone could do.

[Mr. WEO]

28 minutes ago, MJS said:

All the players seem to agree with him. Doesn't make him a great coach, but it shows that there was a disconnect and turbulence between the players and coaches. Ed Reed recognized the problem, which probably anyone could do.

 

 

So what?  He was brought in as a coach, not another player to whine about the system. 

 

You and I could recognize the problem, doesn't make either of us a great coach. 

 

In the end, Rex tossed Ed a bone.  Years later, Reed's spitting it back.

[Rocket94]

Ed Reed was sitting there in 2002...we took Williams instead! Ouch!

Edited May 12, 2019 by Rocket94

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Lord, we do like to keep swiping at that (well deserved) target, don’t we?  ?

 

...this just in....Whaley is hurt by being left out............

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

19 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

!

 

23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...this just in....Whaley is hurt by being left out............

Now, if we can just photoshop that into a bicycle built for 4, add Whaley and Brandon on it, and put a shark in the plunge pool, I think we’ve got it...

 

EDIT:  Better put in a ‘Golden Corral’ sign in the background.

Edited May 12, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

 

Now, if we can just photoshop that into a bicycle built for 4, add Whaley and Brandon on it, and put a shark in the plunge pool, I think we’ve got it...

 

EDIT:  Better put in a ‘Golden Corral’ sign in the background.

 

...pretty sure that's where they're headed.....PERFECT fit as "Line Coaches" willin' to work for food....on second thought, that could lead to Chapter 11.....

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

To be fair, I think Reed's intent wasn't widespread dogging leadership.  There were specific communication issues that he felt he had insight about how to solve, having been in the position of being that guy on the field trying to get the communication and figure out his assignment on each play.  So Reed thought he had ideas about how to improve, and didn't like seeing the ideas persist AND his ideas be discounted.  Media likes to create a narrative then we all run with it.

 

Of course, I totally agree with you that too often, folks are all over wanting a great player to coach (Kelly should coach!  Manning should coach!) when truth is, a great player is often the worst coach because they may do things and see things instinctively and have may have no idea what they're actually seeing and doing, much less how to break it down and teach it.

 

He also threw in comments about coaches egos being too big, and not hiring the best guys....

 

it wasnt a great look. And may have been an insight not just a media spin. It’s largely his own words being discussed 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

So what?  He was brought in as a coach, not another player to whine about the system. 

 

You and I could recognize the problem, doesn't make either of us a great coach. 

 

In the end, Rex tossed Ed a bone.  Years later, Reed's spitting it back.

That's the exact point I made. The story isn't about whether or not Reed is a good coach. I don't think anyone cares about that. People are discussing the problems with Rex and his defense, which are well documented.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

That's the exact point I made. The story isn't about whether or not Reed is a good coach. I don't think anyone cares about that. People are discussing the problems with Rex and his defense, which are well documented.

 

Yeah....well documented for a couple of years now.  So why do A Williams and Reed need to lift up a dead horse to show us its teeth?

 

It’s just excuse making at this point.  They need to move on...

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yeah....well documented for a couple of years now.  So why do A Williams and Reed need to lift up a dead horse to show us its teeth?

 

It’s just excuse making at this point.  They need to move on...

Reed was on a radio show and asked about his experience coaching in Buffalo and whether or not he planned to coach in the future. He answered the questions honestly. That's why he made his comments.

 

Now as for Aaron Williams and Jerry Hughes, not sure.

[njbuff]

The Pegula's learned fast that Rex was a joke and they didn't even let him finish his second year.

 

That was the condemnation of what an awful failure Rex was.

 

I hated that hire at the time, but they did get out of it quickly.

[TheFunPolice]

During that Rex and Rob documentary going into Rex's 2nd year there was a scene from that year's training camp where Rex was going on about how much better the team would be in year 2 and Terry Pegula was just sitting there in his golf cart looking straight ahead with a look of "yeah sure " on his face

 

I knew Rex was a goner as soon as I saw that

 

[T master]

On 5/10/2019 at 7:39 PM, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

http://billsmafia.com/2019/05/10/ed-reed-shines-light-why-rex-ryan-defense-failed-in-buffalo/

 

“Love the city of Buffalo. I’m going to come back and visit sometime. It was a great time. We didn’t have the staff to make Buffalo successful as I thought we could have. I thought we had a great team collectively, but it was a matter of the coaching staff being a cohesive group.”

“I’m learning a lot about coaching in the NFL. I played for 12 years in this league. I was known as a ‘GOAT’ and don’t get any respect from coaches that just coach a game. There’s a lot of stuff in the world that has rubbed off on the NFL in business and the way they run it – hiring people that are not even qualified.”

“That’s the mind-boggling to me. I know about coaches pride and all of that stuff, egos and everything – but I just can’t believe that you wouldn’t want players on your staff that played the game. They can help your players because when I was in Buffalo – and you know all the mistakes we were having – that was communication issues.”

“I played the game so I was there (presumably he means in Buffalo) to try to help simplify things but my suggestions were never taken – so it was very frustrating for me very early in my coaching career when your opinion is not taken seriously.”

 

Is any of what Ed has said really an epiphany ? From the Gov't on down to a guy in a factory that what he said is true those that go to school & learn from books think they know so much more than those with hands on experience i've seen it time & time again in my 57 yrs so this doesn't surprise me ! 

 

I was told by a man yrs ago that had been replaced at a steel job by a youngin that spent 8 yrs in college learning metallurgy then brought back due to his stellar work & attendance record he told me "never show all your cards in your hand because the minute you do your no longer needed" that was so true .

 

Those that learn from books are in a lot of situations so out of touch with how things really are & could learn so much more if they would put their individual ego's aside & open their minds to learn from those that have been there done that & got the T shirt in the closet but that's not the way it happens !! 

 

Hands on over book smarts every time !!