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In my book, ‘Rex Ryan’ is an interchangeable term with ‘mailing it in’.  I’m sure there are examples in his time here to counter that, but I would have to hear them.

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Again - if you want to “blame” anyone - this is the continued cost of the Pegulas insisting on learning on the job, without help.  

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6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Again - if you want to “blame” anyone - this is the continued cost of the Pegulas insisting on learning on the job, without help.  

 

Yep that was certainly part of it.

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5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Again - if you want to “blame” anyone - this is the continued cost of the Pegulas insisting on learning on the job, without help.  

 

Not unfair. The Ryan here really bothered me but I tried to get on board with him being a defensive genius and us having a wealth of available pieces.  Seems he was far short of the commitment that’s required to maintain being a creative/innovative guy in that job/this league. 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Rex Ryan was the biggest and most obvious mistake in the last 20 years of Bills futility. I saw the ex who I was with at the time of the hiring for coffee the other day and it is something we joked about was my reaction when that news broke that the Bills were hiring Ryan. I literally lost my ***** for about 10 minutes and just ranted. She doesn't follow the NFL but she knows three things: 1. The Patriots are good. 2. Rex Ryan sucks. 3. Jimmy G is hot. 

 

 

 

Theres long been an element in the back of my head that part of the enthusiasm for our current regime is the polar opposite nature and how we all tend to overvalue what the last guy was bad at. 

 

When your qb is Trent Edwards you are a little quicker to get amped up for a gunslinging Fitz, and excuse obvious issues. Short receivers? Go get James hardy, ignoring all red flags. We’ve seen a lot of “go get what the last guy did bad” confused with “go get someone good”

 

When you have a lazy coach that is at odds with their GM do we get too easily on board for streamlined branding of a “process” and ignore the struggles assembling an offense, the slow nature of the build and what were largely self inflicted cap issues last year? 

 

By “we” I include myself and importantly the fan signing the paychecks in Pegula. It’ll be an interesting dynamic to keep an eye on. Especially if Allen looks good but we remain uneven with the offensive talent. Hopefully they’ve nailed it and are both unlike Rex AND good.

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I like how he says he was  known as the Goat.😂 Does he put that on his resume?

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4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Theres long been an element in the back of my head that part of the enthusiasm for our current regime is the polar opposite nature and how we all tend to overvalue what the last guy was bad at. 

 

When your qb is Trent Edwards you are a little quicker to get amped up for a gunslinging Fitz, and excuse obvious issues. Short receivers? Go get James hardy, ignoring all red flags. We’ve seen a lot of “go get what the last guy did bad” confused with “go get someone good”

 

When you have a lazy coach that is at odds with their GM do we get too easily on board for streamlined branding of a “process” and ignore the struggles assembling an offense, the slow nature of the build and what were largely self inflicted cap issues last year? 

 

By “we” I include myself and importantly the fan signing the paychecks in Pegula. It’ll be an interesting dynamic to keep an eye on. Especially if Allen looks good but we remain uneven with the offensive talent. Hopefully they’ve nailed it and are both unlike Rex AND good.

 

There is definitely something in this - though in my case I have the additional inbuilt bias in that Beane and (other than all the God stuff) McDermott are much more my type of personalities in the first place. 

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11 hours ago, mrags said:

Nope. But you could definitely find him at El Canelo eating his favorite Mexican in the McKinley plaza. Saw him there at least 2 times myself. The staff there said he was in all the time. Shocking since his stomach procedure he could prolly only eat like 2 chips and a spoon full of Guacamole 

 

In one of those touching Ryan Bro moments, he had it removed as a show of solidarity after Rob had a complication with his own Lap Band... bring on the burritos!!

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9 hours ago, Bills fan in 561 said:

Once considered the screen name Dreamcrusher but went with BADOLBILZ....

 

 

You can be realistic but at the same time imagine a better future.   I'm hoping for the best like everyone else.

 

But the time to look back and appreciate events of organizational incompetence that lead to the wonderful present is when you are hoisting the Lombardi..........not when you are coming off a 6-10 season.:lol:   

 

That's a symptom of Battered Bills Fan Syndrome right there.    Being so eager to be satisfied that you are giving credit for things not even accomplished.

 

I get it though..........what we have been subjected to as a fan base for the past 20 years is unnatural to the sport........you are supposed to have some balance.......periods of success where you can feel a justified appreciation for the product that's being put on the field.   We haven't had that for a generation.

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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Rex Ryan was the biggest and most obvious mistake in the last 20 years of Bills futility. I saw the ex who I was with at the time of the hiring for coffee the other day and it is something we joked about was my reaction when that news broke that the Bills were hiring Ryan. I literally lost my ***** for about 10 minutes and just ranted. She doesn't follow the NFL but she knows three things: 1. The Patriots are good. 2. Rex Ryan sucks. 3. Jimmy G is hot. 

 

 

 

Points 1 and 2 are what they are but I think point  3 is what made her your ex.  Have you considered how it made her feel knowing about your Jimmy G fantasies?  Keep that stuff to yourself dude.

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14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You can be realistic but at the same time imagine a better future.   I'm hoping for the best like everyone else.

 

But the time to look back and appreciate events of organizational incompetence that lead to the wonderful present is when you are hoisting the Lombardi..........not when you are coming off a 6-10 season.:lol:   

 

That's a symptom of Battered Bills Fan Syndrome right there.    Being so eager to be satisfied that you are giving credit for things not even accomplished.

 

I get it though..........what we have been subjected to as a fan base for the past 20 years is unnatural to the sport........you are supposed to have some balance.......periods of success where you can feel a justified appreciation for the product that's being put on the field.   We haven't had that for a generation.

 

The psychology of it all really is fascinating at times.

 

A solid third to half of the fanbase lives with “hope rewarded” amounting to 2 wild card games - the music city debacle and a 10-3 mess.  And the remainder know success as being the butt of jokes for being the team that couldn’t win the big game. Our pinnacle has a major element of rationalizing losses for greatness (which yea it was a great team). 

 

When you step back from being a bills fan and just look at the idea of being a fan of a franchise with this history...it’s really something.

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12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Ed Reed?? Come on.  Dude had a cup of coffee in Buffalo.  Dead in the water since.  Rex did him a HUGE solid by tossing him a coaching job he had no business getting.

 

 

And what a bitter cup of coffee it was.

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4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

The psychology of it all really is fascinating at times.

 

A solid third to half of the fanbase lives with “hope rewarded” amounting to 2 wild card games - the music city debacle and a 10-3 mess.  And the remainder know success as being the butt of jokes for being the team that couldn’t win the big game. Our pinnacle has a major element of rationalizing losses for greatness (which yea it was a great team). 

 

When you step back from being a bills fan and just look at the idea of being a fan of a franchise with this history...it’s really something.

Great post!

The fascinating part imo is how we Bills Fans employ different coping mechanisms.

I tend to keep my expectations low and rejoice when they don't draft first round defensive backs or running backs. The last 2 drafts may or may not work out, but at least they put us on a path where it will be possible to win games.

Keeping my expectations low helps to prevent me getting as angry as I used to.

 

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I want to believe Ed when he says he tried to help simplify things, but no one listened. The defensive personnel we had when Rex took over played lights out under a simpler scheme under Schwartz. Rex came in and tried to change everything about the defense. That is on Pegula for not noticing this would happen, but Rex should have adjusted. My comments upon the hiring was the Jets were not disciplined under Rex and he only ran 1 style of defense. When he tried to adjust, somewhat, he showed he was a 1 trick pony who couldn't adjust. If Rex took over a crap defense, that would be 1 thing but he took over a good/great d and wrecked it. Ed came in thinking he could help and feels he wasn't taken seriously. I can see this happening when you have a strong personality like Rex and/or Rob. Heck, Rob blamed everyone but himself for the Saints and Cowboys defensive performances (or lack of). Do you think Rob was going to yield to a rookie assistant coach on advise that was contrary to his style? I don't see how Reed couldn't contribute to a staff in some way. If our safety group wasn't as solid and a veteran group, I wouldn't mind him as a special assistant. He would definitely help a young group of safeties learn how to be NFL players.

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He is completely right and I'm not really understanding all the hate on one of the greatest secondary players of all-time.  It is clear that Rex ruined a very talented defense.  First of all, a great leader coaches to their players ability and puts them in the best position possible to succeed.  Instead, he tried to force them to play his way when the roster was not built that way at all.  Remember Mario Williams dropping in coverage anyone?  Second, his schemes were complex and confusing to the secondary especially.  How many times were guys left completely wide open and them Gilmore turns around with his arms out basically saying WTF happened to my help?  If I can see it easily on TV, and if your highly respected, HOF coach is saying it to you, shouldn't you maybe listen and make some adjustments?  Rex ruined a good team.  But I'm glad it happened, otherwise we wouldn't be sitting where we are today and I think that's a very good place to be.

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1 hour ago, BananaB said:

I like how he says he was  known as the Goat.😂 Does he put that on his resume?

‘GOAT’ in the same meaning as Charlie Brown trying to steal home...(the blockhead!)  😁

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13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Ed Reed?? Come on.  Dude had a cup of coffee in Buffalo.  Dead in the water since.  Rex did him a HUGE solid by tossing him a coaching job he had no business getting.

 

 

A possible GOAT isn’t worthy of being an ASSISTANT DB coach?  Come on.  He wasn’t THE db coach.  He was an assistant.  The reports that he was the pied piper, all the DBs following him around like a puppy dog.  Dudes interviews were great.  I listened to an assistant db coaches interviews.  Never before or after.  He IS db knowledge.  

 

Knowing how to coach isn’t the same as knowing how to play, no doubt.....but to say he had no business being an assistant Db coach is a bit much imo

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After he got fired from the Jets he lost his passion. You could tell the difference on the sidelines with us vs the Jets. He put his heart and soul into that team, I mean they went to the conference championship with Mark Sanchez of all people.

 

Buffalo he came to cash cheques.

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32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

A possible GOAT isn’t worthy of being an ASSISTANT DB coach?  Come on.  He wasn’t THE db coach.  He was an assistant.  The reports that he was the pied piper, all the DBs following him around like a puppy dog.  Dudes interviews were great.  I listened to an assistant db coaches interviews.  Never before or after.  He IS db knowledge.  

 

Knowing how to coach isn’t the same as knowing how to play, no doubt.....but to say he had no business being an assistant Db coach is a bit much imo

 

Ultimately, I think it comes down to the question of was he able to humble himself enough to be the low man on the coaching totem pole instead of the top dog of the players. 

 

The interview certainly didnt didn’t prove he undermined the coaches, but it sure did make me wonder if he might’ve at times. It’s a tough spot, but for all his knowledge if he didn’t know how to effectively manage his new position he might not have been a good choice. You have to think Rex brought him in to be a fierce advocate of the coaches that players would respect. Are you confident he filled that position? After reading this, I’m not sure.

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Rex Ryan was the biggest and most obvious mistake in the last 20 years of Bills futility. I saw the ex who I was with at the time of the hiring for coffee the other day and it is something we joked about was my reaction when that news broke that the Bills were hiring Ryan. I literally lost my ***** for about 10 minutes and just ranted. She doesn't follow the NFL but she knows three things: 1. The Patriots are good. 2. Rex Ryan sucks. 3. Jimmy G is hot. 

 

 

We had the debate on whether or not to fire Rex after his first year. It was clear he was a failure. Lots of folks said “it’s not done in the NFL.” Welp, Arizona just did it, and their future is still pretty bright.

 

Never double down on a mistake. Especially in a league like the NFL where your window is short. Hopefully the Pegulas have learned.

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19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Ultimately, I think it comes down to the question of was he able to humble himself enough to be the low man on the coaching totem pole instead of the top dog of the players. 

 

The interview certainly didnt didn’t prove he undermined the coaches, but it sure did make me wonder if he might’ve at times. It’s a tough spot, but for all his knowledge if he didn’t know how to effectively manage his new position he might not have been a good choice. You have to think Rex brought him in to be a fierce advocate of the coaches that players would respect. Are you confident he filled that position? After reading this, I’m not sure.

I’m confident that hiring Ed Reed as an assistant db coach wasn’t unwarranted.  The players loved Ed.  Maybe he was malcontent when his advice was taken by the other coaches but maybe it should’ve been?  Results show the coaching staff didn’t know their heads from theirs *****.  Maybe Ed was a bad fit, I just don’t think he’s u worthy of being given a shot as an assistant db coach considering his pedigree

 

Who is our assistant db coach now?  We don’t have one.

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3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

Points 1 and 2 are what they are but I think point  3 is what made her your ex.  Have you considered how it made her feel knowing about your Jimmy G fantasies?  Keep that stuff to yourself dude.

 

Nah she was cool with my man crushes. 

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16 hours ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:

Rex being gone before 5 o'clock was a big problem!

He didn't have any choice. That bicycle built for two couldn't be handled by just his brother and his brother had to get to El Canelo for the early bird special.

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