Dr. Who Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Lee Smith is a lot more mobile than most guards/tackles and will be blocking down the field for WRs/RBs when most guards/tackles would be left behind. That is why you sign a TE like him rather than use an extra OL on play. The question is just like with FBs will he be on enough plays to warrent a roster slot? When he is targeted he usually catches the ball (56/66) with 7 TDs - not many guards/tackles can do that. Okay, thanks. I'm hoping the seventh rounder can be that guy, but if the price is okay, sign the fella and keep the best fits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 22 hours ago, Doc said: ...why? They signed Kroft and Fisher, drafted Knox and Sweeney, and already have Croom. And he's just a blocker, which is something Fisher can do. I don't get it. I'm not convinced Fisher makes the full transition to TE and he has had some injury issues. he has TWO catches as a tackle-eligible. Smith has 50+(but just a 7 yard average). Fisher was a mediocre tackle, so blocking experience doesnt necessarioly translate into becoming a good tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a “vet” TE, something they don’t have. Could be it. But seriously? 31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE? Try harder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But seriously? 31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE? Try harder. I hear you Hap. But not a lot left out there. From Spotrac. Jermaine Gresham 31 ARI Dion Sims 28 CHI Lee Smith 31 OAK Lance Kendricks 31 GB Michael Hoomanawanui 31 NO Levine Toilolo 28 DET MarQueis Gray 29 MIA John Phillips 32 ARI Jerome Cunningham 28 DET Matt Lengel 28 CIN A.J. Derby 27 MIA Brian Parker 27 DEN Alex Ellis 26 KC Alan Cross 26 TB Jake McGee 27 PIT Josiah Price 27 MIN Henry Krieger-Coble 27 LAR Erik Swoope 27 IND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) I am getting the feeling we are going to be running the ball 65+% this year. It is one way to give your young qb some help. Edited May 10, 2019 by 4BillsintheBurgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 22 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: They're missing that blocking TE. Could've traded up for Hock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But seriously? 31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE? Try harder. ..exactly...do w even know YET what we have on the roster?....grass ain't always greener......let's see what these kids have first...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Could've traded up for Hock... Ugh. I would have thrown my remote at my TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I am getting the feeling we are going to be running the ball 65+% this year. It is one way to give your young qb some help. Not going to happen. I'd venture to guess you'd have to go back a long way to find a team that ran the ball > 65% of its offensive plays....and if your QB is so bad that you have to run the ball that much in this pass happy era of the NFL, you probably need a new QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, Doc said: Ugh. I would have thrown my remote at my TV. Love Hock but if hes the next Gronk he would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But seriously? 31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE? Try harder. I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Just now, Sherlock Holmes said: Love Hock but if hes the next Gronk he would be worth it. That's a big if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime. You have to have had a prime to be past your prime. Lee didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I am getting the feeling we are going to be running the ball 65+% this year. It is one way to give your young qb some help. remember when they Teams loaded the box for tyrod ? well now we want teams to. and the Allens chucks the ball to our speed guys. this is going to b fun. i am in the minority wish we kept Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Doc said: That's a big if. If a TE will be the next Gronk it will definitely be him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: If a TE will be the next Gronk it will definitely be him! Are you sure he can learn to take cheap shots and polish Br*dy's ball? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime. The position has been a mystery and full of misery since I can remember..Big Pete was even kind of average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: Not going to happen. I'd venture to guess you'd have to go back a long way to find a team that ran the ball > 65% of its offensive plays....and if your QB is so bad that you have to run the ball that much in this pass happy era of the NFL, you probably need a new QB. I'm thinking maybe 20 passing attempts per game for Josh, sort of like Big Ben in 2004. Pass more if you have to, but the goal will to be win next year with the run and defense. Then 2020 round off the weapons and open the offense up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I hear you Hap. But not a lot left out there. From Spotrac. Jermaine Gresham 31 ARI Dion Sims 28 CHI Lee Smith 31 OAK Lance Kendricks 31 GB Michael Hoomanawanui 31 NO Levine Toilolo 28 DET MarQueis Gray 29 MIA John Phillips 32 ARI Jerome Cunningham 28 DET Matt Lengel 28 CIN A.J. Derby 27 MIA Brian Parker 27 DEN Alex Ellis 26 KC Alan Cross 26 TB Jake McGee 27 PIT Josiah Price 27 MIN Henry Krieger-Coble 27 LAR Erik Swoope 27 IND Not a great list. The most interesting guy is AJ Derby who was originally drafted by the Patriots and spent some time with Brian Daboll there. He has some upside as a receiver but not much of a blocker. A guy who is a free agent but is technically a fullback is Ryan Hewitt, former Colt and Bengal. I like the fact that Hewitt doubles as a tight end and a fullback. It gives the offense a good amount flexibilty and you don't have to keep a dedicated fullback on the roster. Another guy out there who can serve multiple roles is Dan Vitale, who the Bills claimed and released a few years ago. Vitale was a superback for Northwestern in college. He can catch, block, and run the ball and can double as a tight end. Vitale ran a 4.6 at the combine. He's bounced around the league, but there is a lot of upside there imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not a great list. The most interesting guy is AJ Derby who was originally drafted by the Patriots and spent some time with Brian Daboll there. He has some upside as a receiver but not much of a blocker. A guy who is a free agent but is technically a fullback is Ryan Hewitt, former Colt and Bengal. I like the fact that Hewitt doubles as a tight end and a fullback. It gives the offense a good amount flexibilty and you don't have to keep a dedicated fullback on the roster. Another guy out there who can serve multiple roles is Dan Vitale, who the Bills claimed and released a few years ago. Vitale was a superback for Northwestern in college. He can catch, block, and run the ball and can double as a tight end. Vitale ran a 4.6 at the combine. He's bounced around the league, but there is a lot of upside there imo. Interesting about the Derby/Daboll connection but it seems the Bills want another blocking TE for camp. With only 4 true TEs on the roster and the Fisher experiment they are likely to sign someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Are you sure he can learn to take cheap shots and polish Br*dy's ball? That's the only things he can't do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Based on both this thread and the Anderson thread, I gotta say "vet presence" is really overrated. I guess it's good if you have one of those guys on both sides of the ball. NOT AT EVERY POSITION. Gore/McCoy/Morse on offense/Lorax on defense can provide leadership. That's enough. Put the best players on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Love Hock but if hes the next Gronk he would be worth it. No one who has watched him play has compared him to Gronk. He’s more of a Zach Ertz type. Edited May 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 He was slow and a terrible pass catching TE a few years ago, I'm sure hes only slower now lol Guessing hes in competition with Fisher for that pure blocking TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 1:47 PM, Doc said: ...why? They signed Kroft and Fisher, drafted Knox and Sweeney, and already have Croom. And he's just a blocker, which is something Fisher can do. I don't get it. Competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 hours ago, ColeB said: Competition He's just a blocker. I want TE's who can block and catch. Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Don’t see the point in even looking at Smith unless we owed his agent a favor or something. If we want a decent all around TE then we could go after Rudolph after Minny releases him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No one who has watched him play has compared him to Gronk. He’s more of a Zach Ertz type. I would say Ertz is his floor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc said: He's just a blocker. I want TE's who can block and catch. Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least). ...great a one dimensional when we may have multi-dimensionals unknowingly in the fold already......SMH......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 What ever happened to Colby Fleener? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said: What ever happened to Colby Fleener? ...was supposed to be Luck's "go to partner" from Stanford drafted by Colts, moved on to Saints and then.....poof............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...was supposed to be Luck's "go to partner" from Stanford drafted by Colts, moved on to Saints and then.....poof............ Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller. ...THAT my friend is the real head scratcher......Brees lived for Graham and the TE spot...this kid got MAJOR exposed as a "swung on and missed" addition.....it was Luck or nothin'......but then again, why didn't the Colts keep him?.....oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller. 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...THAT my friend is the real head scratcher......Brees lived for Graham and the TE spot...this kid got MAJOR exposed as a "swung on and missed" addition.....it was Luck or nothin'......but then again, why didn't the Colts keep him?.....oh well.... Fleener suffered a really bad head concussion back in 2017 and never returned to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc said: He's just a blocker. I want TE's who can block and catch. Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least). Fisher's no longer a T specifically because he couldn't block. Knox rarely caught passes. Fisher should be the first "TE" to go... Edited May 11, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Fisher's no longer a T specifically because he couldn't block. Knox rarely caught passes. Fisher should be the first "TE" to go... He couldn't block DE's one-on-one. He won't be doing that as a TE. I'd rather have him than Smith if they're just looking for just a blocking TE and judging by the lack of interest in Smith, it's not like they can't add him later. But if they can sign him for the minimum and no signing bonus, like Fisher, no big deal. Let them compete and cut whomever later. As for Knox, he was playing with Brown, Metcalf and Lodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) On 5/9/2019 at 4:49 PM, Doc said: Unless they're trying to/sign him for the vet minimum with no signing bonus. You are secretly hoping he signs with the fins huh? Edited May 12, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 12, 2019 Author Share Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I would say Ertz is his floor... High expectations there. The reason he’s compared to Ertz are his traits. He doesn’t have Gronk’s size/speed which is what makes him such a unicorn. Edited May 12, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 4:42 PM, YoloinOhio said: Kyle Rudolph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 no reason not to take look. Plenty of reasons not to sign. Have not followed him since gone from Bills But i do wish Bills kept him. Very willing blocker. and he did catch what was thrown at him generally. just could not outrun anyone. He could have a role in Dabolls offense. all depending on what the other Guys look like. Hopefully all that Croom koolaid we read form obd was true. still need a lunch pail TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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