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51 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Lee Smith is a lot more mobile than most guards/tackles and will be blocking down the field for WRs/RBs when most guards/tackles would be left behind.  That is why you sign a TE like him rather than use an extra OL on play.  The question is just like with FBs will he be on enough plays to warrent a roster slot?

 

When he is targeted he usually catches the ball (56/66) with 7 TDs - not many guards/tackles can do that.

Okay, thanks. I'm hoping the seventh rounder can be that guy, but if the price is okay, sign the fella and keep the best fits.

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22 hours ago, Doc said:

...why?  They signed Kroft and Fisher, drafted Knox and Sweeney, and already have Croom.  And he's just a blocker, which is something Fisher can do.  I don't get it.

I'm not convinced Fisher makes the full transition to TE and he has had some injury issues. he has TWO catches as a tackle-eligible. Smith has 50+(but  just   a 7 yard average). Fisher was a mediocre tackle, so blocking experience doesnt necessarioly translate  into becoming a good tight end.

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26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But seriously?  31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE?

 

Try harder.

 

I hear you Hap.  But not a lot left out there.  From Spotrac.

 

Jermaine Gresham 31 ARI
Dion Sims 28 CHI
Lee Smith 31 OAK
Lance Kendricks 31 GB
Michael Hoomanawanui 31 NO
Levine Toilolo 28 DET
MarQueis Gray 29 MIA
John Phillips 32 ARI
Jerome Cunningham 28 DET
Matt Lengel 28 CIN
A.J. Derby 27 MIA
Brian Parker 27 DEN
Alex Ellis 26 KC
Alan Cross 26 TB
Jake McGee 27 PIT
Josiah Price 27 MIN
Henry Krieger-Coble 27 LAR
Erik Swoope 27 IND
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But seriously?  31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE?

 

Try harder.

 

..exactly...do w even know YET what we have on the roster?....grass ain't always greener......let's see what these kids have first......

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1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I am getting the feeling we are going to be running the ball 65+% this year. It is one way to give your young qb some help.

Not going to happen.  I'd venture to guess you'd have to go back a long way to find a team that ran the ball > 65% of its offensive plays....and if your QB is so bad that you have to run the ball that much in this pass happy era of the NFL, you probably need a new QB.  

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But seriously?  31 year old reprise of Lee Smith, that's the best you can do for a vet TE?

 

Try harder.

I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime.

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5 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime.

 

 

You have to have had a prime to be past your prime.  Lee didn't.

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1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I am getting the feeling we are going to be running the ball 65+% this year. It is one way to give your young qb some help.

remember when they Teams loaded the box for tyrod ?

 well now we want teams to.
and the Allens chucks the ball to our speed guys.

this is going to b fun.

 

i am in the minority

 wish we kept Smith.

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39 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

I can understand the need for veteran leaders, but how old do you need to be to be a veteran? Kroft will be 27 and in his 5th year, can't he be the veteran presence? Also the Bills te coach is 48 and has been an NFL te coach for 12 years. A veteran presence doesn't have to be someone past their prime.

The position has been a mystery and full of misery since I can remember..Big Pete was even kind of average.

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1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Not going to happen.  I'd venture to guess you'd have to go back a long way to find a team that ran the ball > 65% of its offensive plays....and if your QB is so bad that you have to run the ball that much in this pass happy era of the NFL, you probably need a new QB.  

I'm thinking maybe 20 passing attempts per game for Josh, sort of like Big Ben in 2004. Pass more if you have to, but the goal will to be win next year with the run and defense. Then 2020 round off the weapons and open the offense up.

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3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I hear you Hap.  But not a lot left out there.  From Spotrac.

 

Jermaine Gresham 31 ARI
Dion Sims 28 CHI
Lee Smith 31 OAK
Lance Kendricks 31 GB
Michael Hoomanawanui 31 NO
Levine Toilolo 28 DET
MarQueis Gray 29 MIA
John Phillips 32 ARI
Jerome Cunningham 28 DET
Matt Lengel 28 CIN
A.J. Derby 27 MIA
Brian Parker 27 DEN
Alex Ellis 26 KC
Alan Cross 26 TB
Jake McGee 27 PIT
Josiah Price 27 MIN
Henry Krieger-Coble 27 LAR
Erik Swoope 27 IND

 

Not a great list. The most interesting guy is AJ Derby who was originally drafted by the Patriots and spent some time with Brian Daboll there. He has some upside as a receiver but not much of a blocker. 

 

A guy who is a free agent but is technically a fullback is Ryan Hewitt, former Colt and Bengal. I like the fact that Hewitt doubles as a tight end and a fullback. It gives the offense a good amount flexibilty and you don't have to keep a dedicated fullback on the roster. 

 

Another guy out there who can serve multiple roles is Dan Vitale, who the Bills claimed and released a few years ago. Vitale was a superback for Northwestern in college. He can catch, block, and run the ball and can double as a tight end. Vitale ran a 4.6 at the combine. He's bounced around the league, but there is a lot of upside there imo. 

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6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Not a great list. The most interesting guy is AJ Derby who was originally drafted by the Patriots and spent some time with Brian Daboll there. He has some upside as a receiver but not much of a blocker. 

 

A guy who is a free agent but is technically a fullback is Ryan Hewitt, former Colt and Bengal. I like the fact that Hewitt doubles as a tight end and a fullback. It gives the offense a good amount flexibilty and you don't have to keep a dedicated fullback on the roster. 

 

Another guy out there who can serve multiple roles is Dan Vitale, who the Bills claimed and released a few years ago. Vitale was a superback for Northwestern in college. He can catch, block, and run the ball and can double as a tight end. Vitale ran a 4.6 at the combine. He's bounced around the league, but there is a lot of upside there imo. 

 

Interesting about the Derby/Daboll connection but it seems the Bills want another blocking TE for camp.

With only 4 true TEs on the roster and the Fisher experiment they are likely to sign someone.

 

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Based on both this thread and the Anderson thread, I gotta say "vet presence" is really overrated. I guess it's good if you have one of those guys on both sides of the ball. NOT AT EVERY POSITION. Gore/McCoy/Morse on offense/Lorax on defense can provide leadership. That's enough. Put the best players on the roster.

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3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Love Hock but if hes the next Gronk he would be worth it.

No one who has watched him play has compared him to Gronk. He’s more of a Zach Ertz type.

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On 5/9/2019 at 1:47 PM, Doc said:

...why?  They signed Kroft and Fisher, drafted Knox and Sweeney, and already have Croom.  And he's just a blocker, which is something Fisher can do.  I don't get it.

 

Competition

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3 hours ago, ColeB said:

Competition

 

He's just a blocker.  I want TE's who can block and catch.  Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least).

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5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He's just a blocker.  I want TE's who can block and catch.  Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least).

...great a one dimensional when we may have multi-dimensionals unknowingly in the fold already......SMH.........

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19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...was supposed to be Luck's "go to partner" from Stanford drafted by Colts, moved on to Saints and then.....poof............

Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller.

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1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller.

 

...THAT my friend is the real head scratcher......Brees lived for Graham  and the TE spot...this kid got MAJOR exposed as a "swung on and missed" addition.....it was Luck or nothin'......but then again, why didn't the Colts keep him?.....oh well....

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1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Yep after Graham left he was going to be their guy...he was mixed in with a Hawai'i guy..both failed and that's tough to do with Brees as your tosser and play caller.

 

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...THAT my friend is the real head scratcher......Brees lived for Graham  and the TE spot...this kid got MAJOR exposed as a "swung on and missed" addition.....it was Luck or nothin'......but then again, why didn't the Colts keep him?.....oh well....

 

Fleener suffered a really bad head concussion back in 2017 and never returned to football.

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8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He's just a blocker.  I want TE's who can block and catch.  Like Knox and Sweeney and hopefully Fisher (who being a former OT should be able to block at least).

 

 

Fisher's no longer a T specifically because he couldn't block.  Knox rarely caught passes.

 

Fisher  should be the first "TE" to go...

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15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Fisher's no longer a T specifically because he couldn't block.  Knox rarely caught passes.

 

Fisher  should be the first "TE" to go...

 

He couldn't block DE's one-on-one.   He won't be doing that as a TE.  I'd rather have him than Smith if they're just looking for just a blocking TE and judging by the lack of interest in Smith, it's not like they can't add him later.  But if they can sign him for the minimum and no signing bonus, like Fisher, no big deal.  Let them compete and cut whomever later.

 

As for Knox, he was playing with Brown, Metcalf and Lodge. 

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On 5/9/2019 at 4:49 PM, Doc said:

 

Unless they're trying to/sign him for the vet minimum with no signing bonus.

 

You are secretly hoping he signs with the fins huh?

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20 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I would say Ertz is his floor...

High expectations there. The reason he’s compared to Ertz are his traits. He doesn’t have Gronk’s size/speed which is what makes him such a unicorn. 

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no reason not to take look.

Plenty of reasons not to sign.
Have not followed him since gone from Bills
But i do wish Bills kept him. Very willing blocker. and he did catch what was thrown at him generally. just could not outrun anyone.
He could have a role in Dabolls offense. all depending on what the other Guys look like. Hopefully all that Croom koolaid we read form obd was true.

still need a lunch pail TE.

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