“Retired” TE Ben Watson considering Bills among other teams,****SIGNED WITH PATS

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Actually I erred.  That season was 4 years ago.  I forgot that he got injured and had to miss the following season.   And it was obviously an outlier and you're not really "in your prime" at at 34 when you're a TE. 

 

As for his production that past 2 years compared to the Bills' TE's, big deal.  At his age things are trending downward.  I'd rather see what the younger guys can do. 

 

I’ll agree he’s far past his prime. Still a productive guy though. Hard worker, locker room leader and gets the job done. Bound to hit a wall sooner than later but would have no problem with him as the 3rd.it gets tossed around a lot but he’s actually the type that’s great to have around a couple young guys if we have 2 rookies on the roster/PS

[Mr. WEO]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Actually I erred.  That season was 4 years ago.  I forgot that he got injured and had to miss the following season.   And it was obviously an outlier and you're not really "in your prime" at at 34 when you're a TE. 

 

As for his production that past 2 years compared to the Bills' TE's, big deal.  At his age things are trending downward.  I'd rather see what the younger guys can do. 

 

Doc....922 yards the past 2 years.  96 catches.  Last year almost 9 yards per target.  He can only catch the balls thrown his way and he caught 77% of them the past 2 seasons. That's productive. 

 

A 34 yo TE can't be in his prime?  Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates.....they would disagree with you.

 

The "younger guys" include 2 nonproductive veterans, 2 rookies and busted out )-lineman who the Bills think is now an NFL TE.

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I’ll agree he’s far past his prime. Still a productive guy though. Hard worker, locker room leader and gets the job done. Bound to hit a wall sooner than later but would have no problem with him as the 3rd.it gets tossed around a lot but he’s actually the type that’s great to have around a couple young guys if we have 2 rookies on the roster/PS

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Doc....922 yards the past 2 years.  96 catches.  Last year almost 9 yards per target.  He can only catch the balls thrown his way and he caught 77% of them the past 2 seasons. That's productive. 

 

A 34 yo TE can't be in his prime?  Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates.....they would disagree with you.

 

The "younger guys" include 2 nonproductive veterans, 2 rookies and busted out )-lineman who the Bills think is now an NFL TE.

 

Veteran presence is about the only reason I'd consider adding him.  Again his last season was 400 yards and 2 TD's (that would be like saying Shady has 1,652 yards the past 2 seasons or 2,919 yards the past 3 seasons) and he's on the back-end of 38 years old.  But at this point, might as well stop adding old guys and get younger.

[CommonCents]

Younger at TE is good but older at RB is better. Ahhhh man some of you guys are going to twist yourselves into a pretzel if this thing goes sideways. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Younger at TE is good but older at RB is better. Ahhhh man some of you guys are going to twist yourselves into a pretzel if this thing goes sideways. 

Not sure if this was aimed at me, but I was scratching my head at the addition of Gore.  And Shady was already on the roster.

[4merper4mer]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Doc....922 yards the past 2 years.  96 catches.  Last year almost 9 yards per target.  He can only catch the balls thrown his way and he caught 77% of them the past 2 seasons. That's productive. 

 

A 34 yo TE can't be in his prime?  Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates.....they would disagree with you.

 

The "younger guys" include 2 nonproductive veterans, 2 rookies and busted out )-lineman who the Bills think is now an NFL TE.

More power to you dude.  You're a fan, so cool.  But at least be honest in acknowledging you'd be mocking Watson if the Bills picked him up and extolling the virtues of Sefarian-Jenkins and what he will do for you guys.

[NoSaint]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

Veteran presence is about the only reason I'd consider adding him.  Again his last season was 400 yards and 2 TD's (that would be like saying Shady has 1,652 yards the past 2 seasons or 2,919 yards the past 3 seasons) and he's on the back-end of 38 years old.  But at this point, might as well stop adding old guys and get younger.

 

Which would be fine stats for shady on a cheap deal as a backup. And Watson would be a cheap deal. All about context.

 

hes reliable, good hands, but certainly not at his peak currently

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Which would be fine stats for shady on a cheap deal as a backup. And Watson would be a cheap deal. All about context.

 

hes reliable, good hands, but certainly not at his peak currently

 

That's the point/context.  At Watson's age, odds are he's only going to get worse.  Shady may be able to rebound with a better OL, but he's already on the roster and costs $2.5M to cut.

[Tenhigh]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 11:36 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

The TB12 system with Dr. Nick will have him playing like a youngin' in no time.

[Misterbluesky]

On 5/9/2019 at 12:11 PM, Logic said:

I'm a big old optimistic homer, but I don't understand why the Bills would have any interest in this dude.

Kroft, Knox, Croom, Sweeney, Fisher. That's plenty.

Watching Murph and Brown right now....Chris said Knox had a tough day with several dropped balls.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

It’s been posted several times that he signed with NE. I can’t update the thread title because it got merged with another thread and only that poster can do it. It says he started the thread but it has my thread title, not sure how.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s been posted several times that he signed with NE. I can’t update the thread title because it got merged with another thread and only that poster can do it. It says he started the thread but it has my thread title, not sure how.

 

 

There you go my good man

[FLFan]

The arguements being made here about Watson's value are actually pretty funny.  This is a desperation move by the Pats.  No way the Bills should have signed him, at any price.  

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Watching Murph and Brown right now....Chris said Knox had a tough day with several dropped balls.

Now we are counting receptions in rookie mini camp?  Seriously?  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s been posted several times that he signed with NE. I can’t update the thread title because it got merged with another thread and only that poster can do it. It says he started the thread but it has my thread title, not sure how.

so much is missed after being buried in a thread but they're pretty hell bent about starting a thread so I generally just throw it in a thread, if it's seen, good, if not, oh well.

 

thanks for all you do in keeping the board up to date.

[Misterbluesky]

20 minutes ago, FLFan said:

The arguements being made here about Watson's value are actually pretty funny.  This is a desperation move by the Pats.  No way the Bills should have signed him, at any price.  

Now we are counting receptions in rookie mini camp?  Seriously?  

FL...to be honest both ,Brown and Murph sounded a bit irked about him not signing.You should go back and listen..it's archived on GR.

If you have a beef with the hosts..they are just a e-mail away from contact.

Regardless..Chris Brown is not a BS thrower..if he said Knof was a poor show today... that was his opinion about TODAY!

[GG]

28 minutes ago, FLFan said:

 

Now we are counting receptions in rookie mini camp?  Seriously?  

 

Have been for years.  Where have you been?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

30 minutes ago, FLFan said:

The arguements being made here about Watson's value are actually pretty funny.  This is a desperation move by the Pats.  No way the Bills should have signed him, at any price.  

Now we are counting receptions in rookie mini camp?  Seriously?  

 

...maybe he gets the 1st "TBD BUST" label......it's been awhile since the draft ..........

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

That's the point/context.  At Watson's age, odds are he's only going to get worse.  Shady may be able to rebound with a better OL, but he's already on the roster and costs $2.5M to cut.

 

The context is there is no "McCoy" currently on the roster at TE.  Just a bunch of (younger) nobodies.  

[Doc]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

The context is there is no "McCoy" currently on the roster at TE.  Just a bunch of (younger) nobodies.  

 

Who are worth developing, not sitting at the expense of a guy who is 38 and retired, and is coming off 2 straight years of declining production.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Who are worth developing, not sitting at the expense of a guy who is 38 and retired, and is coming off 2 straight years of declining production.

 

 

2 years of declining production?  That's McCoy.

 

Anyway....devlopment? Then why not pick up a guy like Watson, dump the two bums from Cincy (one isn't even a TE!) and go with the rookies.  Or, if Kroft has any potential to be other than a jag, dumps the Crrom, the BC kid and the 2nd round O-line bust guy and roll with Watson, Kroft and the other rookie?

 

They need somebody who can play TE out there right now.  Watson catches everything he's thrown and produces when he's put out there.  

[Doc]

48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

2 years of declining production?  That's McCoy.

 

Anyway....devlopment? Then why not pick up a guy like Watson, dump the two bums from Cincy (one isn't even a TE!) and go with the rookies.  Or, if Kroft has any potential to be other than a jag, dumps the Crrom, the BC kid and the 2nd round O-line bust guy and roll with Watson, Kroft and the other rookie?

 

They need somebody who can play TE out there right now.  Watson catches everything he's thrown and produces when he's put out there.  

 

McCoy is already on the team.  And he's far likelier to see an increase in his production at 30 than Watson at 38.

 

And JAG defines Watson at this point in his career, not that he was much more for most of it, averaging 420 yards/season.  And who has he developed?

 

If I wanted the Bills to take a flyer on an older TE, I'd have gone after Jared Cook.  You know, the guy who replaced Watson.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

Players don't "develop" other players.

 

McCoy will need a police escort to increase his production at this point.  True pro like Frank Gore is gonna steal his carries.

 

 

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Players don't "develop" other players.

 

McCoy will need a police escort to increase his production at this point.  True pro like Frank Gore is gonna steal his carries.

 

We'll see about that.  I'm know you're hoping.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

We'll see about that.  I'm know you're hoping.

 

Im hoping for better RBs

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Im hoping for better RBs

 

What about Singletary?

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

What about Singletary?

 

I think he could be really good.  Rookie RBs have been tearing up the NFL lately.  But he will be stuck behind these two old guys and Yeldin.  No chance.

 

It's like the Bills are looking at what's going in the league and saying, "nah we're going the other way",

[HOUSE]

Miss one block for the golden boy then we can pick him up on waivers

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I think he could be really good.  Rookie RBs have been tearing up the NFL lately.  But he will be stuck behind these two old guys and Yeldin.  No chance.

 

It's like the Bills are looking at what's going in the league and saying, "nah we're going the other way",

 

If they prove to be washed-up, he'll get a chance to play.  As for Yeldon, I'm not so sure he makes it.

 

And what's going on in the league?  Going back to the running game? 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

If they prove to be washed-up, he'll get a chance to play.  As for Yeldon, I'm not so sure he makes it.

 

And what's going on in the league?  Going back to the running game? 

 

Rookie RBs are being plugged in and doing fine.  Because it's the easiest position on Offense to pick p for a gifted runner.

 

I heard on the radio speculation that Singletary won't even be listed as active for games early on.  why draft a good RB prospect and have not 1 but 2 dinosaur RBs on the roster.  And  some random 3rd jag?  makes no sense.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Rookie RBs are being plugged in and doing fine.  Because it's the easiest position on Offense to pick p for a gifted runner.

 

I heard on the radio speculation that Singletary won't even be listed as active for games early on.  why draft a good RB prospect and have not 1 but 2 dinosaur RBs on the roster.  And  some random 3rd jag?  makes no sense.

 

Not a big deal.  It's unlikely both Gore and Shady go off the cliff at the same time.  And if they do, Singletary plays the next week and beyond. 

 

And I'm hoping Singletary shows enough in the passing game to make Yeldon expendable.

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not a big deal.  It's unlikely both Gore and Shady go off the cliff at the same time.  And if they do, Singletary plays the next week and beyond. 

 

And I'm hoping Singletary shows enough in the passing game to make Yeldon expendable.

 

They won't suit up 4 RBs

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

They won't suit up 4 RBs

 

Probably not.  But again, if they go into a game with Shady, Gore and Yeldon (because Singletary hasn't supplanted him) active and all are hurt and/or ineffective, you activate Singletary the following week.

[Success]

I really don’t like the New England Patriots.

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 5/9/2019 at 7:30 AM, ******* said:

Former Saints’ TE Benjamin Watson, who had intended to retire, is in New England today visiting with the Patriots, per source. Watson also is considering the Chiefs, Bills and 49ers. His retirement didn’t last long.

 

Oh, yeah.  You know, because...life.

[BillsfaninChicago]

I think he probably would have helped us at TE in the same way Reggie Bush helped us at RB a few years back. 

[Augie]

Well, now I have hope he starts  feeling his age. Better yet, I hope he starts feeling MY age! I normally wouldn’t do that, but......Patriots and all...

[Nick the Greek]

10 hours ago, CommonCents said:

Younger at TE is good but older at RB is better. Ahhhh man some of you guys are going to twist yourselves into a pretzel if this thing goes sideways. 

I know Gore is old but he’s still a beast. He will tear it up and run over linebackers. I can’t wait. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Probably not.  But again, if they go into a game with Shady, Gore and Yeldon (because Singletary hasn't supplanted him) active and all are hurt and/or ineffective, you activate Singletary the following week.

 

 

How does a rookie who is not activated for games “supplant” anyone?

[BeginnersMind]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

How does a rookie who is not activated for games “supplant” anyone?

 

Maybe, just maybe, it’s a little early to be calling the Week One inactives.