Andy Isabella

[Buffalo Junction]

4 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

I like Irv Smith, but what is he exactly?  -Lacks the size of a true TE, and is a tad too hefty to be a vertical threat.  I'm wary of another Nick O'Leary-type situation.

 

 

Irv Smith seems to fit the mold of H-back rather well. I don’t think he displayed enough speed & athleticism to be a smaller TE you can split out reliably in the NFL. What the value is on that... ?‍♂️

[Pete]

Isaballa will end up being a Patriot and torment us the next 10 years.  I doubt he makes it to round 3

[FeelingOnYouboty]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Isaballa will end up being a Patriot and torment us the next 10 years.  I doubt he makes it to round 3

 

Emphasis on slot WR's means he's certain to go in the 2nd now that I think about it. I really like Deebo Samuel and Parris Campbell Jr in Dabol's system.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 3/3/2019 at 5:42 PM, #34fan said:

 

Edelman V2.0...

The Patriots believe in the 3 cone time more than the 40. When Julian Edelman was taken he ran a ridiculous 6.62 3-cone but an avg 40 (4.51). That's what makes Andy so attractive.  A 4.31 40 time and a 6.95 3-cone. He will be gone by the end of the 2nd round unless we beat NE to the punch at 41.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Patriots believe in the 3 cone time more than the 40. When Julian Edelman was taken he ran a ridiculous 6.62 3-cone but an avg 40 (4.51). That's what makes Andy so attractive.  A 4.31 40 time and a 6.95 3-cone. He will be gone by the end of the 2nd round unless we beat NE to the punch at 41.

Thank you!! That's the kind of analysis that I hope the Bills coaching staff is looking at. Edelman was unstoppable in the SuperBowl and AFC Championship game. If Isabella is at least 75% of Edelman's quality, then he's worth taking! Hell, I'd take him just so the Patriots DON'T get him!!! As George W would say, "Strategery….."

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Thank you!! That's the kind of analysis that I hope the Bills coaching staff is looking at. Edelman was unstoppable in the SuperBowl and AFC Championship game. If Isabella is at least 75% of Edelman's quality, then he's worth taking! Hell, I'd take him just so the Patriots DON'T get him!!! As George W would say, "Strategery….."

 If I were the GM of the Bills the 1st thing I would do is find out every player New England wants. And I don't care what I have to do to get that information. Then I would cross reference it with the "type" of player the Patriots like to acquire.  Out cheat the cheaters. 

[Putin]

On 3/3/2019 at 2:36 PM, frostbitmic said:

He'll go #32 in the draft.

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[Big Turk]

Dude is most definitely a "process guy" like Beane and McDermott are looking for...after a foot of snow fell, he went out to the field and shoveled a 40 yard path himself so he could run sprints on a day the team wasn't even scheduled to do any work.  I am developing a straight man-crush on this kid.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018289/article/how-speed-put-umass-wr-andy-isabella-on-fast-track-to-nfl

Edited March 11, 2019 by matter2003

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 3/6/2019 at 6:29 AM, #34fan said:

 

I like Irv Smith, but what is he exactly?  -Lacks the size of a true TE, and is a tad too hefty to be a vertical threat.  I'm wary of another Nick O'Leary-type situation.

 

 

He seems like charles clay to me

 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He seems like charles clay to me

 

A healthy Charles Clay without chronic knee issues is a nice little weapon to have. Definitely a nice TE 2/Hback  at the very least.

[Mat68]

On 3/6/2019 at 2:15 PM, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Thank you!! That's the kind of analysis that I hope the Bills coaching staff is looking at. Edelman was unstoppable in the SuperBowl and AFC Championship game. If Isabella is at least 75% of Edelman's quality, then he's worth taking! Hell, I'd take him just so the Patriots DON'T get him!!! As George W would say, "Strategery….."

He would make for a good slot guy.  I still would like them to add someone outside.  At this point I think Zay is better suited inside.  

[BringBackFergy]

His taste in “Highlight Reel” music is not “process” material. I heard three or four references to “*****” and glorification of handguns (Glocks in particular). He must be a street punk. No thanks. 

[JaCrispy]

38 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He would make for a good slot guy.  I still would like them to add someone outside.  At this point I think Zay is better suited inside.  

Zay Jones wishes he was half the football player Isabella is.?

Edited March 11, 2019 by JaCrispy

[Mat68]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Zay Jones wishes he was half the football player Isabella is.

Zay was the most prolific wr in the NCAA coming out of eastern Carolina.  I think Isabella will have a rocky transition to the NFL.  Down the line may have a better career but time will tell.  I still wouldn't mind having Isabella, Jones, and McKenzie as inside wrs for Allen.  

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

His taste in “Highlight Reel” music is not “process” material. I heard three or four references to “*****” and glorification of handguns (Glocks in particular). He must be a street punk. No thanks. 

 

You know he didn’t pick that music! That’s how BB and the Pats* plan to see him drop to them. Look a little deeper, peel the onion back, there’s always more to the story. 

[BringBackFergy]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You know he didn’t pick that music! That’s how BB and the Pats* plan to see him drop to them. Look a little deeper, peel the onion back, there’s always more to the story. 

So you’re saying he doesn’t like Rap music? I think he’s trolling us. 

[Magnum Force]

For a moment....I thought this was an Irv Smith thread.  I really like Isabella alot.   If we dont go WR in the 1st...I wouldn’t mind Isabella, Brown or Harry with our 2nd assuming one of them is still available.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Magnum Force

[Buffalo86]

On 3/6/2019 at 5:22 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

 If I were the GM of the Bills the 1st thing I would do is find out every player New England wants. And I don't care what I have to do to get that information. Then I would cross reference it with the "type" of player the Patriots like to acquire.  Out cheat the cheaters. 

 

CBs from Rutgers is the most obvious one, though the rest of the league doesn't seem to have caught on.

 

Worth noting that the Pats drafted Edelman in the 7th round, after taking WR Brandon Tate in the 3rd.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

So you’re saying he doesn’t like Rap music? I think he’s trolling us. 

 

He’s trolling McBeane! Everyone knows they do all their scouting on YouTube! We would never draft that guy after BB piped that music in!

 

 

(But I actually do find Isabella to be an intriguing prospect who is very doubtful to last to our #3 pick.....but what do I know?)

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He seems like charles clay to me

 

Would take him in a heartbeat if that is the case......in Clay's early years with Miami he was a top 100 player.

 

We got the Clay with knee issues and older

[Magnum Force]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He’s trolling McBeane! Everyone knows they do all their scouting on YouTube! We would never draft that guy after BB piped that music in!

 

 

(But I actually do find Isabella to be an intriguing prospect who is very doubtful to last to our #3 pick.....but what do I know?)

I’m dont know if it’s a guarantee he lasts to our 2nd round pick.  I think he could go anywhere from early 2nd  through the 3rd. 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

I’m dont know if it’s a guarantee he lasts to our 2nd round pick.  I think he could go anywhere from early 2nd  through the 3rd. 

 

That’s what’s so great about the draft! I really don’t know much (or anything!) about guys even in the top 3-4 rounds before this time of year. Some guy will be drafted in the first I’ve never heard of! I believe and freely admit this! But now you get exposed to some film and opinions, and you start to form ideas. I’m very curious about Isabella. 

 

Draft is in Nashville this year which is a city I’m pretty familiar with and love. Only about 4 hours away. Never thought I’d be “that guy” at the draft, but experiences are better than things, I’ve come to learn. Despite pricey Nashville hotels, I’m tempted to do it once. Need to look into tickets, I guess. 

[Magnum Force]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

That’s what’s so great about the draft! I really don’t know much (or anything!) about guys even in the top 3-4 rounds before this time of year. Some guy will be drafted in the first I’ve never heard of! I believe and freely admit this! But now you get exposed to some film and opinions, and you start to form ideas. I’m very curious about Isabella. 

 

Draft is in Nashville this year which is a city I’m pretty familiar with and love. Only about 4 hours away. Never thought I’d be “that guy” at the draft, but experiences are better than things, I’ve come to learn. Despite pricey Nashville hotels, I’m tempted to do it once. Need to look into tickets, I guess. 

Go to YouTube and check out some clips on Isabella and Marquise Brown....you will come away impressed. I really love this time of year for Football....hopefully that feeling will get extended to January  this year.  Also it would be cool to go to the draft.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Magnum Force

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Go to YouTube and check out some clips on Isabella and Marquise Brown....you will come away impressed. I really love this time of year for Football....hopefully that feeling will get extended to January  this year.  Also it would be cool to go to the draft.

 

I’ve seen  Isabella on YouTube and came away intrigued. I know it’s COMPLETELY unfair, but a saw one M Brown game where I tuned in just to focus on him. He dropped the first 3-4, then got hurt when he caught the next one. Small sample size, but it didn’t sell me. I’m sure he’s explosive! 

 

 

 

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Edited March 11, 2019 by Augie

[Scorp83]

On 3/3/2019 at 11:09 AM, JaCrispy said:

 

 

i would take this guy over any other WR in this class, hands down...and if we don’t, watch NE take him and turn him into a HOFer.

 

i hear all this talk about Metcalf, a guy who never really produced in college and is coming off a serious injury.  Isabella, however, is faster  downfield (4.31 40) and quicker in short areas (6.95 3 cone), has the flexibility to elude tacklers, and the hands to make every pass all but a guarantee.  And for those that don’t think his size will allow him to hold up in the NFL? All you have to do is go no further than the recent super bowl mvp to know if a guy that size can hold up...because it’s not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, but the size of the fight in the dog. This guy screams “process” and team player through and through and simply cannot be contained on a football field.  Aren’t you tired of watching the Pats kill the league, year after year with this type of receiver? Didn’t you ever wish it was the Bills who had that ability?

 

Well, if there is one guy I want to draft more than any other player it’s Andy Isabella...Go Bills!

 

I like Isabella... reminds me of Zay Jones... wait? We have him already... man... no point in having the same type of player. 

 

#DKToTheBills ?

[Magnum Force]

4 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I like Isabella... reminds me of Zay Jones... wait? We have him already... man... no point in having the same type of player. 

 

#DKToTheBills ?

Except Isabella is more explosive and faster....Zay ran a 4.45 40 compared to Isabella at 4.31

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Except Isabella is more explosive and faster....Zay ran a 4.45 40 compared to Isabella at 4.31

...and I think the quickness may be more important than the speed in gaining seperation and YAC. 

 

[Magnum Force]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

...and I think the quickness may be more important than the speed in gaining seperation and YAC. 

 

Glad you said that because I was almost going to go back and edit.  Isabella is incredibly quick and his ability to cut, change direction and accelerate are unreal.  Great point ? 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Magnum Force

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Glad you said that because I was almost going to back and edit.  Isabella is incredibly quick and his his ability ti cut, change direction is unreal.  Great point ? 

 

It’s what you need in a slot guy. Brady has made it work kind of  OK for a while..... It’s not Josh’s most natural throw, but could be clutch if they can make it work. 

 

It will all come down to whether Josh can make ALL the throws reliably. 

 

 

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Edited March 11, 2019 by Augie

[Scorp83]

50 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It’s what you need in a slot guy. Brady has made it work kind of  OK for a while..... It’s not Josh’s most natural throw, but could be clutch if they can make it work. 

 

It will all come down to whether Josh can make ALL the throws reliably. 

 

 

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That's my issue with Isabella... Josh Allen is not Accurate enough to use a slot man. Not saying he can't develop it... but if you try & force him to start picking apart defenses...we might be back here next year talking about He took a step back. I'd rather get him a big target ... its safer & protects him a lot more

[Magnum Force]

15 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

That's my issue with Isabella... Josh Allen is not Accurate enough to use a slot man. Not saying he can't develop it... but if you try & force him to start picking apart defenses...we might be back here next year talking about He took a step back. I'd rather get him a big target ... its safer & protects him a lot more

I respect that ...and agree with it....a big WR with a big catch radius ala Metcalf would be more beneficial to Allen.  But I think Isabella and Metcalf would be an ideal tandem to have.  Doubt it will happen.   

[Big Turk]

46 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

That's my issue with Isabella... Josh Allen is not Accurate enough to use a slot man. Not saying he can't develop it... but if you try & force him to start picking apart defenses...we might be back here next year talking about He took a step back. I'd rather get him a big target ... its safer & protects him a lot more

 

NFL scouts think he can be a TY Hilton or Brandon Cooks type outside WR or a slot WR...he isnt pigeon holed into a slot receiver necessarily.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 3/3/2019 at 10:09 AM, JaCrispy said:

 

 

i would take this guy over any other WR in this class, hands down...and if we don’t, watch NE take him and turn him into a HOFer.

 

i hear all this talk about Metcalf, a guy who never really produced in college and is coming off a serious injury.  Isabella, however, is faster  downfield (4.31 40) and quicker in short areas (6.95 3 cone), has the flexibility to elude tacklers, and the hands to make every pass all but a guarantee.  And for those that don’t think his size will allow him to hold up in the NFL? All you have to do is go no further than the recent super bowl mvp to know if a guy that size can hold up...because it’s not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, but the size of the fight in the dog. This guy screams “process” and team player through and through and simply cannot be contained on a football field.  Aren’t you tired of watching the Pats kill the league, year after year with this type of receiver? Didn’t you ever wish it was the Bills who had that ability?

 

Well, if there is one guy I want to draft more than any other player it’s Andy Isabella...Go Bills!

 

There are two guys in this draft that I'm 100% sure will not bust and play at a high level for a long time. Jonah Williams and Andy Isabella, I would have no problem taking Williams at 9 and Isabella At 40 and a TE at 75.

[947]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

There are two guys in this draft that I'm 100% sure will not bust and play at a high level for a long time. Jonah Williams and Andy Isabella, I would have no problem taking Williams at 9 and Isabella At 40 and a TE at 75.

Totally agree on Isabella. But couldn't disagree more on Jonah Williams, he is a very high chance of bust if kept at OT. Risner is the only bust-proof OL IMO.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

15 minutes ago, 947 said:

Totally agree on Isabella. But couldn't disagree more on Jonah Williams, he is a very high chance of bust if kept at OT. Risner is the only bust-proof OL IMO.

I’m guessing you have watched him play and if so what makes you think he will bust. 

 

He played against great competition at Bama. He has amazing footwork and mirrors DE’s perfectly. He can also play every position on the O-Line and he has an amazing understanding of each O-Line position. After watching all the games on him he had two knocks on him which are not really knocks at all in my opinion. 

 

They say his arm length is too short but I don’t see a issue with it. 

 

They say he is not a mauler in the run game but I have seen him make some very good blocks to spring the RB for extra yardage. 

 

His pass blocking is so fundamentally sound and the kid is only 21 so he will gain a lot of strength in a NFL workout program. 

 

I think Josh Allen can make any throw it’s just that his WR’s don’t get any separation. Isabella in my opinion is a better version of Cooper Kupp and would be a nightmare to match up against. 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

89 percent catch rate, 1700 receiving yards and 13 TD's. Dominant performance v Georgia and plays a game that is where the NFL is going. Would absolutely spend the 40th pick on him if he's there.

[4merper4mer]

Congratulations Andy Isabella on winning the annual "TBD Brian Leonard award" given to a random white guy that nobody ever heard of who suddenly becomes a must have draft pick.

 

Isabella becomes the earliest winner of the award by locking it down on March 11.

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

There are two guys in this draft that I'm 100% sure will not bust and play at a high level for a long time. Jonah Williams and Andy Isabella, I would have no problem taking Williams at 9 and Isabella At 40 and a TE at 75.

 

I also have no doubt that Andy Isabella will become at the very least a very productive player in the NFL barring injuries.   I think he is one of the "can't miss" players in this years draft.

[Rubes]

CBS Sports has Isabella going to the (ugh) Pats**** in Round 2, #56...along with N'Keal Harry at #64. Just kill me.

 

CBSSports.com 2019 NFL Mock Draft

 

[947]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’m guessing you have watched him play and if so what makes you think he will bust. 

 

He played against great competition at Bama. He has amazing footwork and mirrors DE’s perfectly. He can also play every position on the O-Line and he has an amazing understanding of each O-Line position. After watching all the games on him he had two knocks on him which are not really knocks at all in my opinion. 

 

They say his arm length is too short but I don’t see a issue with it. 

 

They say he is not a mauler in the run game but I have seen him make some very good blocks to spring the RB for extra yardage. 

 

His pass blocking is so fundamentally sound and the kid is only 21 so he will gain a lot of strength in a NFL workout program.  

Williams has short arms & his feet are too slow to play LT at the NFL level. Look at the list of LT prospects that busted and their arm length, it's not an exact science but arm length is a major deal for LT. Getting dominated vs Clemson showed both of these flaws.