Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The way they handled the QB roster this offseason and going into week one, I was thinking more like John Wayne Gacy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, BBills88 said: What does that say about the other 9 teams that drafted before the BILLS, I'm sure if every team knew what Mahomes would have become he would have been the first off the during the 2017 draft, and I think the (Cleveland, Chicago,San Fran) would have been happy. The analogy applies to them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: And I thought he must be a wide receiver who dropped the ball. Turns out he simply dropped the apple. Ronnie Harmon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) I wonder if Ron Wayne was the guy that told John Butler to take Leif Larsson instead of Tom Brady in the 6th round of the 2000 draft? ? Edited January 14, 2019 by Leonhart2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) I'd say their comparison is pretty far away from "indisputable facts." These turds are paid to come up with controversial talking points in order to drum up interest and get people involved in calling in and discussing things with them. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't believe their own BS half the time. And I dunno how many times it has to be said but anyone that thinks Mahomes would've lit it up in Buffalo (or anywhere else) like he has in KC then you're delusional. He has an outrageous supporting cast and a very good OL plus a coach that's been known as "the QB whisperer" for years. He fell into a perfect situation and he's excelling, good for him. Other teams passed on him as well. There was a lot of hesitation from most who scouted this guy that they didn't think his style of play would translate well to the NFL. It's not like he was some perfect, can't-miss prospect, there were plenty of questions on him coming out of Texas Tech. Another thing beyond that, so many people think the only way to win in the NFL right now is to have a QB who throws for 450 yards and 5 TDs a game, yet here we are in the playoffs where defense makes the difference. The scores are 20-14, 21-7, 24-22, 16-15, etc. Yeah, the Patriots, Chiefs and Rams scored at least 30 in their games this weekend but that's more like the exception than the standard. Every year there are a handful of teams that light up the scoreboard while every other team averages between 14 and 26 points a game. This idea that no team can succeed without a quarterback that puts up Madden-type numbers every season just isn't the case. Edited January 14, 2019 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) We are the Amy Adams of the NFL, or maybe she is the Buffalo Bills of acting. I believe she is 0-5 for the Oscar. EDIT: Yep, she also lost 4 in 6 years 2006 - Supporting Actress for June Bug 2009 - Supporting Actress for Doubt 2011 - Supporting Actress for The Fighter 2013 - Supporting Actress for The Master 2014 - Best Actress for American Hustle Edited January 14, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: We are the Amy Adams of the NFL, or maybe she is the Buffalo Bills of acting. I believe she is 0-5 for the Oscar. EDIT: Yep, she also lost 4 in 6 years 2006 - Supporting Actress for June Bug 2009 - Supporting Actress for Doubt 2011 - Supporting Actress for The Fighter 2013 - Supporting Actress for The Master 2014 - Best Actress for American Hustle A better analogy would be Deborah Kerr. 6 nominations, zero wins, long since faded from the limelight and passed into irrelevancy! Edited January 14, 2019 by Nextmanup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Well the Bears were wrong as Mahomes is the better player by far yet they traded up to acquire a lesser player... Yep. The Bears definitely made a poor choice. The Bills were not the only team to make a poor choice. But they DID make that poor choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Didn't recognize the name, had to look her up. Oh, her! Ya know what, Nextmanup, you lose 4 statutes in 6 years, when you figure at some point...ya know, they would just give it to you, then you have a tendancy to be... ...pissed...Like a Bills fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Didn't recognize the name, had to look her up. Oh, her! She was also a the side chick on the Office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: She was also a the side chick on the Office. The one that Jim was dating...took on the booze cruise. Outstanding memory, LSHMEAB. EDIT: DID you happen to catch her the other night? ....also losing at the Golden Globes. Everyone talked about how if she had only taken the Kidman part in Big Little Lies she would have won. What a screw up. Edited January 14, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Sure. So Ronald Wayne was the co founder for Apple with Steve Jobs & Wozniak.... he sold his 10% Share (which is worth $100 Billion right now) for $800 ... Jeremy & Howard were comparing it to the Bill's situation. "We pretty much sold our 10% share of Pat Mahomes for $800 & a good cornerback" But it's more to it then just that, its mainly how good does Allen has to be for the decision to be justified? They're saying "he needs to be in the discussion of top 5...if Allen tops out as a top 12 QB...then the Bills have fallen short" depending on how good Mahomes turns out to be....had a tremendous year but it might wind up with falling short of super bowl again for chiefs. he's now on tape we'll see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: The one that Jim was dating...took on the booze cruise. Outstanding memory, LSHMEAB. EDIT: DID you happen to catch her the other night? ....also losing at the Golden Globes. Everyone talked about how if she had only taken the Kidman part in Big Little Lies she would have won. What a screw up. I don't think I've ever watched an awards show in my life. Not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. The Bears definitely made a poor choice. The Bills were not the only team to make a poor choice. But they DID make that poor choice. Absolutely... The Bills made a bad choice, the Bears made a bad choice the Jets, Jags and Browns made bad choices picking RB's and DB's when they had a need at QB... I don't even know how to describe the Bengals reach for John Ross at 9, the pick before Mahomes went... Plenty of second guessing to go around so I don't think Bills fans need to feel like they were the only ones that missed the Mahomes boat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, LSHMEAB said: I don't think I've ever watched an awards show in my life. Not my thing. You mean you aren't dying in anticipation to see who is wearing Chanel or what new hair style Nicole Kidman is sporting? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't think I've ever watched an awards show in my life. Not my thing. I assure you that you will still live a very long and productive life...missing very, very, very, very little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) “McBeane” makes you nervous because of that? I wasn’t aware Beane made that trade to begin with. Edited January 14, 2019 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Christ, I really, really, really hope Allen ends up being great. Not just for the obvious reasons but also so we don't get another ten years of this Mahomes crap If Philip Rivers and his feeble arm and Big Ben and his spanx are still playing winning football 15 years into the league then my guess is Mahomes will be chucking it a lot longer than "another ten years". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Sure. So Ronald Wayne was the co founder for Apple with Steve Jobs & Wozniak.... he sold his 10% Share (which is worth $100 Billion right now) for $800 ... Jeremy & Howard were comparing it to the Bill's situation. "We pretty much sold our 10% share of Pat Mahomes for $800 & a good cornerback" But it's more to it then just that, its mainly how good does Allen has to be for the decision to be justified? They're saying "he needs to be in the discussion of top 5...if Allen tops out as a top 12 QB...then the Bills have fallen short" I knew once the playoffs hit that the Mahomes sh*t would finally start hitting the fan around Buffalo. A lot of Bills fans are really just now seeing how good Mahomes really is. Yeah even at the time of the trade the Bills HAD to understand that if they traded away the pick that was used on a player who became a franchise QB that there would be much scrutiny. I've compared it to them passing on Marino in the 1983 draft. A year later Marino had the greatest passing season ever and the Bills were 2-14 with THEIR draft pick lighting up the USFL. It was hard to envision a scenario where Jim Kelly would ever come to Buffalo and even if he did Dan Marino was the heir apparent to Unitas as the greatest QB of all time.........it was pretty bleak. The Bills got lucky and their years of tanking and the very timely subsequent death of the USFL gave them a franchise QB and a loaded roster that got the best of Marino for he and Kelly's prime years. Hopefully Allen/Mahomes ultimately works out like Kelly/Marino did. That's probably the best case scenario really. As @davemcbride mentioned though..........if Mahomes wins a SB this year..........well.......tougher hill to climb for the Bills organization. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The Bills are actually the exact opposite of Ronald Wayne. Ralph Wilson turned a $25,000 investment in 1959 into whatever Pegula paid for the team a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 hours ago, CardinalScotts said: depending on how good Mahomes turns out to be....had a tremendous year but it might wind up with falling short of super bowl again for chiefs. he's now on tape we'll see what happens He looked good this pass weekend. Now gets a 2nd stint with the Pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Scorp83 said: This is a great listen, Jeremy this morning pretty much compared the Bills to Ronald Wayne ? ... this is almost indisputable facts. This is my main reason why McBeane makes me nervous! Start at 23:40... give a listen at work, or at the gym... but it's good stuff. https://app.radio.com/MJ5unHqhtT It's the 6am hour (HR1 of today's show 1/14/19) fast forward to 23:40 unless u care to hear the rant about Tom Brady For those who aren't into listening, can you give a bit of a summary? I had to look up who Ronald Wayne is (Nextman up describes accurately) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 hours ago, CardinalScotts said: depending on how good Mahomes turns out to be....had a tremendous year but it might wind up with falling short of super bowl again for chiefs. he's now on tape we'll see what happens There's no tape in the world that's gonna teach someone how to defend a quarterback who's able to change the trajectory of his throws like a Cy Young pitcher. Mahomes is great. It's best to just call a spade a spade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: He looked good this pass weekend. Now gets a 2nd stint with the Pats I am hoping for the best. Belichick*** normally picks his teeth with the bones of confused rookie QBs his D baits into mistake after mistake or renders indecisive. I don't want to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game. Well, OK, actually I'd be happy to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game, provided the Pats*** were on the receiving end of the embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am hoping for the best. Belichick*** normally picks his teeth with the bones of confused rookie QBs his D baits into mistake after mistake or renders indecisive. I don't want to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game. Well, OK, actually I'd be happy to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game, provided the Pats*** were on the receiving end of the embarrassment He looked pretty damn good in Foxborough, the place where young QB's normally go to die. The Pats were 3-5 on the road. All 5 of their losses were against non playoff teams. The only playoff team they beat on the road was Chicago. Their other two road wins were against the BILLS and the Jets. They are ripe for the picking. I expect the Chiefs to win, but uggh. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: “McBeane” makes you nervous because of that? I wasn’t aware Beane made that trade to begin with. Beane makes me nervous that he might go out & spend big money on something other then the offense...then tell us to trust him. We paid $50M for Star to come in & plug the gaps... knowing we needed a WR desperately... & didn't draft one either! When we got a hold on another 1st, I'm thinking Ridley...he took Edmonds...good pick... but man... I think I would have rather had the WR that could grow with my rookie QB 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: For those who aren't into listening, can you give a bit of a summary? I had to look up who Ronald Wayne is (Nextman up describes accurately) I actually did... a few posts down on page one. Plus, I actually did want people to look him up...? Edited January 15, 2019 by Scorp83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: There's no tape in the world that's gonna teach someone how to defend a quarterback who's able to change the trajectory of his throws like a Cy Young pitcher. Mahomes is great. It's best to just call a spade a spade. Isn't that just insane!?!? I remember Charles Davis mentioning how he throws the ball like a pitcher" during the predraft process I would love to read the Bill's evaluation on him... I think I'll pay for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am hoping for the best. Belichick*** normally picks his teeth with the bones of confused rookie QBs his D baits into mistake after mistake or renders indecisive. I don't want to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game. Well, OK, actually I'd be happy to watch another embarrassing destruction like the Chargers game, provided the Pats*** were on the receiving end of the embarrassment Exactly! If the Chiefs look like they're losing the battle to the Sith lords, then I'll go food shopping or play Uncharted 4 online ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Given all the revisionist history, I went back and looked at a couple of 2017 mock drafts. Two had the Bills picking Lattimore and one had them picking Watson. Mahones was #13 in two and #15 in one. If the Bills had stayed put and drafted Lattimore and Mahones had been picked #11 or #12, would this board feel better or worse? Instead of Lattimore, we ended up with a player at the same position with basically same upside plus a first round pick. Pretty good right? I think what this shows is how perfectly KC played this. They spotted a QB they really liked, knew where he would likely go in the draft, made a move up 17(!) spots to get him and only gave up a future first, had the luxury of letting him sit a year and surrounded him with offensive talent. Hope somebody can say the same about Allen in a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 My grandpa only made 580,000 on his Apple stock, I'm kind of pissed off right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) I don't care how good Mahomes is, if he can't beat the Patriots he would be no good to us anyways. We are light years away from the offensive talent that KC has, if he cant beat the Pats on KC he would do nothing for the Bills. Edited January 15, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Mahomes has a great year. He fits Andy Reid’s new system perfectly. They have really good players on offense who run that system perfectly. Mahomes wouldn’t be the same QB here. Before people anoint him the next coming of Christ, like everyone did with Watson last year, let’s wait to see if he can sustain it next season. Odds are he will not and defenses will figure the scheme out to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I don't care how good Mahomes is, if he can't beat the Patriots he would be no good to us anyways. We are light years away from the offensive talent that KC has, if he cant beat the Pats on KC he would do nothing for the Bills. You should have stopped right there, the rest is just nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Sure. So Ronald Wayne was the co founder for Apple with Steve Jobs & Wozniak.... he sold his 10% Share (which is worth $100 Billion right now) for $800 ... Jeremy & Howard were comparing it to the Bill's situation. "We pretty much sold our 10% share of Pat Mahomes for $800 & a good cornerback" But it's more to it then just that, its mainly how good does Allen has to be for the decision to be justified? They're saying "he needs to be in the discussion of top 5...if Allen tops out as a top 12 QB...then the Bills have fallen short" Ugh - so this is another disguised thread dedicated to Ma-homees that cannot go a day without pining for the guy? The Bills and 30 other teams missed taking him... time to move on folks, you are drifting into the stalker zone. Edited January 15, 2019 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Sure. So Ronald Wayne was the co founder for Apple with Steve Jobs & Wozniak.... he sold his 10% Share (which is worth $100 Billion right now) for $800 ... Jeremy & Howard were comparing it to the Bill's situation. "We pretty much sold our 10% share of Pat Mahomes for $800 & a good cornerback" But it's more to it then just that, its mainly how good does Allen has to be for the decision to be justified? They're saying "he needs to be in the discussion of top 5...if Allen tops out as a top 12 QB...then the Bills have fallen short" So this last I think is total BS. It's inarguable that a team needs a good NFL QB to compete at the Championship level. But it's also inarguable that it's a team game, and how that QB fares in the NFL will depend upon what kind of talent and coaching the team puts around him. @BadOlBills had a good analogy between Kelly and Marino. It can be argued that Marino was a more talented QB than Kelly, especially seen as a passer. He was just a pretty passer, lightening quick release, beautiful footwork. The Bills and Kelly just DOMINATED the Dolphins during the time both were active from '87 to '95. 16-4. If Allen plays well enough and the Bills put enough pieces around him to win consistently, no one is going to GAD if he's a "top 12" or a "top 5" or a "top 15" QB - whatever "top # QB" means anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 hours ago, BBills88 said: What does that say about the other 9 teams that drafted before the BILLS, I'm sure if every team knew what Mahomes would have become he would have been the first off the during the 2017 draft, and I think the (Cleveland, Chicago,San Fran) would have been happy. Not only that. The Chiefs traded up from the 20s to get him. I am sure that the Bills would have traded with any other team before the Chiefs, so basically 20+ teams passed on Mahomes. And let's see if he can keep it up. We've seen a few QB's with great debut seasons regress, like Dak Presscott, RGIII, etc. Consistency is the key at QB. Mahomes had a tremendous season. The target is now on his back from defensive coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, WideNine said: Ugh - so this is another disguised thread dedicated to Ma-homees that cannot go a day without pining for the guy? The Bills and 30 other teams missed taking him... time to move on folks, you are drifting into the stalker zone. Dude ... that's what this discussion is about. If you've read some of the posts, it's more so...how good does Allen has to be to quiet the Mahomes talk? If you even listen to the link to WGR, you would have heard them discussing it too. They even talked about the fans that DON'T want to hear this. ? How you almost can't be naive to think the Bills are not linked to Mahomes...it was OUR pick that gave him to the Chiefs! Not the Jets or anyone else that had a chance to pick him... US! I wish the Chiefs did call a team before our pick, cause it would have washed our hands with this whole thing. I get it, you might not like getting smacked in the face with reality...but buddy that's what it is. Whether I start a post or someone else... until Allen is good... I mean really freaking good... then the idea that we gave up that picked will ALWAYS be questioned. "We are the Ronald Wayne of the NFL, we sold our Apple share for $800 & a good CB" - Jeremy White from WGR Edited January 16, 2019 by Scorp83 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 18 hours ago, MJS said: Not only that. The Chiefs traded up from the 20s to get him. I am sure that the Bills would have traded with any other team before the Chiefs, so basically 20+ teams passed on Mahomes. And let's see if he can keep it up. We've seen a few QB's with great debut seasons regress, like Dak Presscott, RGIII, etc. Consistency is the key at QB. Mahomes had a tremendous season. The target is now on his back from defensive coordinators. True, the Bill's would have traded with anyone... but that's not the case right now... cause they traded with the Chiefs. I mean, really how would they had known they were giving up Apple Stock??? But, what bothers me is, their evaluation on Mahomes.... had to be similar to their evaluation on Allen right? I mean, really when you read both prospects reports, their sort of similar. So why not take your QB needed that year? You've already know TT wasn't your QB at the time....right? It would have saved us alot of dead cap that Beane is claiming that was here before he got here... smh... that's bull. You would of still had Dareus, Darby, Watkins, & Glenn... no cap in the books & Mahomes or Watson, adding tremaine Edmonds or another CB in 2018 draft. #ImJusSayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The Ronald Wayne of the NFL?......they’re more like the Ronald McDonald of the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I thought it might’ve been one of Reggie Wayne’s brothers. Alas, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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